Why would they? They just consider Palestine as a another yard to mow.They literally call it, "mowing the grass."
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Israeli Minister blames Belgians for being too busy eating chocolate to fight terror
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Why would they? They just consider Palestine as a another yard to mow.They literally call it, "mowing the grass."
Miles Quaritch
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There are daily terrorist attacks with 30+ dead in Jerusalem?
Or is this a reference to being 'surrounded' by the 'enemy'.
Kralamoonard
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Tell them if they think living in Jerusalem is bad, they should visit Gaza or Khan Younis or the rest of what's left of Palestine. I know because I have direct family there. Water and food insecurity is just one of their many problems.
But what about Belgian waffles?!? Or is that not even Belgian and is my whole life a lie?
Honestly, no. Chocolate has always been connected more with Switzerland around here.
Actually, we eat fries and drink beer the most. Waffles and chocolates are for tourists! ( i never think about waffles when I think about my country)
cpp_is_king
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I'm sure they do. I'm also sure that Palestinians lack perspective on the other side of the fence as well. Each side lacks perspective and sympathy for what the other side is going through.
My original post is not even taking sides on the matter btw, I'm just saying that if you've been engaged in constant war for 50+ years, you're gonna have a fucked up perspective on this kind of thing.
They should try living in Gaza.
Maybe your friends should try living in Gaza.
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Gross comment, but it coming from Israel's government, i'm not really surprised...
Maintenance
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Israel saying shit again is not surprising at all.
They are Belgian, but we wouldn't call them Belgian waffles. There are two major styles, namely Brussels and Liège waffles. Brussels left, Liège right.
We eat enormous amounts of chocolat as well.
Ayato Kanzaki
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You might have a point. That is, if the Israeli governement had not repeatedly proven it wasn't interested in peace. It's so much easier, for international PR purposes, to steal lands from "terrorists". You just have to corner a population, and you can be sure some of them will look for ways to fight back...
Maybe they should stop oppressing people, then?
What would you honestly do if someone kicked you out of your house because a 3k year old book claimed that your house is actually his?
Right, let's blame the victims here!
Yeah I usually try to have a nice outlook on Israel and all.
But seriously fuck them.
If that's how they react to Belgium being under attack fuck them.
I wonder why they didn't say " Americans should stop eating burgers and deal with terrorism" on 9/12/2001 or something.
Fuck Iraelis officials.
But seriously fuck them.
If that's how they react to Belgium being under attack fuck them.
I wonder why they didn't say " Americans should stop eating burgers and deal with terrorism" on 9/12/2001 or something.
Fuck Iraelis officials.
I think that something does need to happen -- it's going to suck for a lot of innocent people who are trying to flee a terrible situation -- but they can't just let people in so easily while risking one's own citizens so much. Either clamp down on immigration and monitor the fuck out of people, or don't take them in. I wish there was some middle ground where things could be better.
Having said that, fuck that Israeli minister for saying what he did. What a prick.
Having said that, fuck that Israeli minister for saying what he did. What a prick.
gutter_trash
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law enforecement in Belgium were lax as fuck,
journalists made stories about how dumb and easy it is to cross the border without inspections
Cops could have arrested Adeslam 3 months ago but decided not to raid a house at night and he got away.
Law Enforcement in Belgium needs to take things more seriously.
journalists made stories about how dumb and easy it is to cross the border without inspections
Cops could have arrested Adeslam 3 months ago but decided not to raid a house at night and he got away.
Law Enforcement in Belgium needs to take things more seriously.
Its threads like these I need to start saving for when inevitably the next Israeli injustice happens and the usual suspects begin harping on how Israel is the most peaceful, fair, gentle, un-biased actor in the region. They are not.
Their coalition government is comprised of far-right parties, many of which, that have stated platforms that frankly, are far more offensive then this article.
Their coalition government is comprised of far-right parties, many of which, that have stated platforms that frankly, are far more offensive then this article.
Border checks between European countries are illegal.
Night raids in Belgium are illegal.
Too liberal, too weak on Muslims.
Let me ask you a question, what are your political leanings? And what country do you reside in?
I'm just trying to get a beat on what I am experiencing here and where this defense is coming from. Because it seems so often in these threads people with completely different personal political opinions almost instantaneously shed them and begin supporting policies, parties, philosophies and politicians that they never would accept in their own country, no matter how bad things had gotten, just because it is happening in Israel.
I mean do you think the way to deal with an issue like this should be the equivalent of Donald Trump's platform? Adopting fascist policy?
gutter_trash
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and now you have 30+ people dead because cops don't want to bother people at night.
cpp_is_king
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US. I'm dead center politically. Some of my beliefs lean right, some left, but they all average each other out. I took the test at isidewith.com and it landed me right on the origin of the x,y plane.
They are literally illegal. Abdeslam would have been free in a matter of hours and could have participated yesterday, as he wouldn't have been caught last week. In Belgium, if a cop does something illegal, the suspect gets off.
Ok, so then do you think Donald Trump's policies on immigration and minorities are the correct way forward in America?
Check his tag, no need to know more
gutter_trash
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and terrorists take advantage of these lax laws and softness on the part of law enforcement
Guess I need to pay more attention to tags lol.
Says all I need to know. Guess he was just trying to ease into what he was afraid to say from the outset which is he supports fascist policies toward brown people. Which I assume would conveniently not affect him.
Real_Madrid
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It's easy to say such thing after an attack, but it's Belgium, we don't have the money and workforce to follow every potential target, even with the recent investments in expending the workforce.
A Belgium official said that they need 24 fulltime agents to fulltime follow one returned Syria fighter, you simple cannot follow everyone all the time.
cpp_is_king
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Banning muslims - not so much. I don't think it would be effective, not to mention practical, I don't even know how you would work out the logistics. I also support the letting Syrian refugees in, even though I'm certain that > 0 terrorists would make it over through that program.
On the wall - yes I mostly side with Trump. I only care insofar as we have a law, the law is being violated, and I believe violators should be dealt with in accordance with what the law specifies. I'm not about any kind of racial purity or anything, but I do believe that a law that isn't enforced is kind of a useless law. I'm not against re-defining the conditions and the process by which people become legal, including making it easier to come here legally, but I do think that legally is the only way people should come here, and anyone else has to go. And that applies equally to illegal people of any nationality and race, whether they be white, black, brown, yellow, or anything else.
What does my tag have to do with supporting fascist policies toward brown people. Looks I mistook you for someone who was interested in having an actual dialogue rather than taking cheap pot shots.
billy beane
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Is that what you guys do in Belgium? Just eat chocolate all day? Can I come by?
Real_Madrid
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Not entirely true, you cannot start a night raid after a certain hour, but you can continue one. They searched till 4 o'clock last night in some houses.
Alright, I don't honestly care about derailing this thread about Trump and Mexico. I just wanted to figure out how you actually felt on the policy prescriptions being presented by the right wing Likud party.
So this gets to what I suspected. You would not support that sort of structural prejudice as a matter of policy. You would not close down borders. You would not ban Muslims.
So why even begin defending what these particular Israeli party members said? Clearly you don't agree with them. So why defend those desiring such policies? This seems to be a common experience I come across in these threads. People who are otherwise not supportive of certain policies all of the sudden supporting those adapting such policies simply because they are coming out of Israel. It seems, frankly, illogical.
EDIt: Also, I apologize for generalizing. You are right, I should of let you answer before assuming.
Digital-Hero
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Love that country. They make mistakes like everyone else.
Dominican Power
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The stupid wall isn't going to curb illegal immigration or drug trafficking. Go watch John Oliver's main segment on how impractical that stupid wall is.
Canada would like to join in the telling of "fuck you" to the Isreali Minister.
Yes, it is scary that the police try to follow laws, they are indeed too soft. Belgian politicians are working on improvements, but this is literally the first time it might have been relevant. Might, because the Belgian justice minister has denied stating that it was relevant and that Abdeslam most likely was never there, not that he escaped during the night
Yeah, that is different. It would still be a daytime raid when informing the residents. It is a question of neighbourhood safety for instance.
Alpha Phoenix
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Says the genocidal asshole.
cpp_is_king
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I don't agree with them now, but if I was Israeli maybe I would. You can't really understand someone's mindset until you've walked a mile in their shoes, and that is my point. There's obviously a lot of history with regards to the Israeli / Palestinian conflict and so frankly I'm neutral on the issue because I have neither the background nor the historical context to have enough perspective to take sides.
Obviously this Intelligence Minister's words were fairly insensitive, I don't think we disagree on that. But if you look through the words to the underlying message, she is saying (albeit unnecessarily crudely) that if you want to fight terrorism effectively you have to be willing to revisit some of your existing laws and "core values".
And this is another area where I mostly side with Trump (although only in principle, not in practice as I don't agree with killing terrorists' families, new forms of torture, etc). Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they could have caught Abdeslam a long time ago but they couldn't because they weren't allowed to conduct night raids. I mean seriously? What a fucking embarrassment. The Intelligence Minister's message is that if they continue with these kind of laughable restrictions on what they can do to fight terrorism, they're going to lose.
If I play Magnus Carlsen in a game of chess, I'm going to get destroyed. If he wears a blindfold, I'll still get destroyed. Takes away 2 of his pawns, I'll still get destroyed. He loses a rook and a bishop, hey now I have a fighting chance. It doesn't matter how much stronger Belgium, or the US, or anyone else's military is than ISIS, because we don't play by the same rules. And until we close that gap, we're going to be at a disadvantage. That doesn't mean we shoudl go start burning isis members alive in cages, but we should be willing to have a discussion on how the line can be moved to make preventing terrorism more effective while making at least *some* concessions on the other side.
Her words were obviously insensitive and crass, but I don't entirely disagree with the message, which is that terrorism is a threat which has evolved from the types of threats countries saw a decade or two ago, and both law enforcement and governments need to evolve with it to effectively deal with it.
Regardless of what the wall means to Trump (i.e. if it is an actual physical wall like the Berlin wall or something), to me it means enforcing our laws and strengthening border security, using whatever method does work.
Dude, try living in a cave in Somalia. And what about...
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I really don't think you have the best understanding of this and furthermore find the way you're borderline gloating over this because it fits your narrative fairly gross.
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