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[Jazzy Network]

Again, why does that make those games not count?

Because chances are they're lower quality or have less people working on it? Or to be more precise, as a casual FF fan I dont give a shit about FF: Record Keeper (first subtitle that popped up).

And for god's sake FFXV was going to be a subtitled game so I guess my argument holds no merit anyway.

 

[Hektor]

Because chances are they're lower quality or have less people working on it? Or to be more precise, as a casual FF fan I dont give a shit about FF: Record Keeper (first subtitle that popped up).

So, in other words, it's the usual "valve doesnt make gaemz anymore" nosnense.

 

[Jazzy Network]

So, in other words, it's the usual "valve doesnt make gaemz anymore" nosnense.

Great argument. You got me.

 

[Grief.exe]

FFX/X-2 represents an interesting release on Steam.

The prevailing theory is the Sony proprietary tech assisted with the FFX, FFX-2, and Kingdom Hearts Remasters kept those titles exclusive to Sony platforms.

If/when FFX/X-2 releases on Steam that means we essentially have the entire series available on PC. When the inevitable FFXII Remaster releases, it will set a precedent for a PC release of that game as well, Tactics already has a very good mobile port available, which means it's likely to see a PC release, and FFXV is likely as well considering Square's past history and their need to recoup the massive investment.

 

[Fractal]

So, it seems we're very close to having the entire FF series available on the PC... that's nice, never played any FF games myself, though I guess I may give them a try some day...

 

[Self_Destructive]

I can just see Square taking their time between releases. Didn't they say somewhere that they wanted the entire series to be available on PS4, or did I dream that up?

Anyway, they definitely like this steady little stream of what is essentially free FF port money coming in. If they stagger releases between Steam and the PS4, they could keep it going on for a while yet.

 

[Famassu]

So you think if they announced tomorrow FF: Random subtitle game over FF 16 more or less people will care?

They usually outsource these ports and don't have Nomura & co working hands-on with these ports, so whining about them prioritizing ports as if that has ANY effect on the development of new games is silly. These are just easy ways of making money & fill in some gaps in the release calendar. I mean, seriously, this is like the dumbest time to complain about SQEX just being a port-house in years, when we have FFXV, DQXI, Star Ocean 5, World of FF, Nier 2, Setsuna and a plethora of other incoming games coming within the next year or so (at least to Japan).

 

[Arkeband]

So, it seems we're very close to having the entire FF series available on the PC... that's nice, never played any FF games myself, though I guess I may give them a try some day...

From one gaming enthusiast to another, playing an FF is a rite of passage. Do it!

4, 7, 10, and 13 are all fairly beginner-friendly and are some of the most popular in the series. If you're waiting for 10, that's a good choice, many people began with 10.

 

[Basileus777]

The prevailing theory is the Sony proprietary tech assisted with the FFX, FFX-2, and Kingdom Hearts Remasters kept those titles exclusive to Sony platforms.

I think you're giving it too much credit to call it a "prevailing theory." Has anyone credible lent credence to that idea?

 

[Jazzy Network]

They usually outsource these ports and don't have Nomura & co working hands-on with these ports, so whining about them prioritizing ports as if that has ANY effect on the development of new games is silly. These are just easy ways of making money & fill in some gaps in the release calendar. I mean, seriously, this is like the dumbest time to complain about SQEX just being a port-house in years, when we have FFXV, DQXI, Star Ocean 5, World of FF, Nier 2, Setsuna and a plethora of other incoming games coming within the next year or so (at least to Japan).

I dont actually have a rational complaint Im just annoyed. And none of those games I persknally care about outside of FFXV.

 

[Grief.exe]

I think you're giving it too much credit to call it a "prevailing theory." Has anyone credible lent credence to that idea?

Circumstantial evidence, but so far has held up. May be a good example of correlation is not necessarily causation, however word choice is key.

Theory
Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works.

 

[Basileus777]

Circumstantial evidence, but so far has held up. May be a point of causation may not be correlation, but word choice is key.

It was the prevailing part I was questioning, not that it was a theory....

 

[Grief.exe]

It was the prevailing part I was questioning, not that it was a theory....

I'm not a liberal arts major by any stretch of the imagination, but the theory has been tossed around frequently enough to gain traction and qualify for the definition.
This doesn't preclude the existence of other theories or explanation.

prevailing
be widespread in a particular area at a particular time

Spoiler

I dislike debating semantics, attach whatever adjective makes you happy fam

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Gee I dunno. Its been what? 7 years between actual numbered releases. I can speculate. Like youre speculating about me.

Then speculate. Explain why a PC port of FFX is preventing FFXV from coming out. Use numbers.

 

[Kyoufu]

Why make new and good FF games when you can just port all the ones you already have 5 times over?

I'm fine with Square-Enix being criticised, they deserve criticism like everybody else, but at least make sense when being critical of a company, because going by your posts, you seem like you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Whenever they release it.

FFIX and FFX HD were the most asked FF games on Steam. The sales should be huge even with the little marketing Square will put out. Hopefully the port quality is on par.

 

[orochi91]

Dual Audio better be included.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

They are waiting for LR to sell 1 million copies.

 

[orochi91]

They are waiting for LR to sell 1 million copies.

Lol

 

[ANuclearError]

Would it be a safe bet to say that by the end of 2016, every main Final Fantasy game from 1 to 15 will be on Steam?

End of 2017 seems like a guarantee at this point.

 

[Jigorath]

Are they gonna make me buy both?

I only really want X-2.

 

[BasilZero]

Give me FF1/2 so I can have the whole mainline series on PC.

I'm hoping/waiting for this as well.


I have a feeling X/X-2 might end up getting a sleeper release like FFIV did lol.

Would be funny to see both IX and X release within a short time frame though its possible I mean going from the other release dates l0l.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Maybe someone lost the source code.

 

[Woody Invincible]

Who would have guessed of all this Final Fantasy on Steam a few years ago?

 

[Alvarez]

Do you actually think a PC port of FFX is preventing them from making new FF games or is this just one of those things people say without thinking about it because they're edgy

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

Your argument always assumes that Square releases more new games than ports/remakes. They don't.

 

[Kyoufu]

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

Your argument always assumes that Square releases more new games than ports/remakes. They don't.

Yes, I can tell you that the FFXV development team have had nothing to do with those ports.

 

[Vamphuntr]

They're probably waiting for a good releasing window. They just released 6 on steam and we know 9 is coming soon. Or maybe they ran into an issue porting it.

Threads about PC games are becoming extremely annoying to read. Your PS4 won't disappear because some games are on steam.

 

[Grief.exe]

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

Your argument always assumes that Square releases more new games than ports/remakes. They don't.

Weren't the majority of those done by outside studios?

Unless your assertion is that Square should have pushed their entirety of their expenditures on FFXV?

 

[Illucio]

Could need more QA and time/resources for that*, or just strategic positioning by marketing

*I'm aware this will get "lol" in response

Why do you think this will get a laughing response? It's a viable answer.

 

[Alvarez]

They are waiting for LR to sell 1 million copies.

Who would have guessed of all this Final Fantasy on Steam a few years ago?

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic [xenophobic - suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign--Square was xenophobic towards Steam for a very long time] publishers out there. But even they have finally realized that if you want to maximize your profits, you need to release on Steam.

Now I'm just waiting for Nintendo to realize the same.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there. But even they have finally realized that if you want to maximize your profits, you need to release on Steam.

Now I'm just waiting for Nintendo to realize the same.

They are so Xenophobic they bought Eidos.

 

[GhostTrick]

Why do you think this will get a laughing response? It's a viable answer.

I think it's related to SE's quality of ports with FF XIII trilogy.

 

[Kyoufu]

Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there.

Square-Enix are xenophobic now? Tell me more.

 

[TheTux]

I think it's related to SE's quality of ports with FF XIII trilogy.

Lightning Returns was a good port, they'll very likely get better and better with future ports (except ports from mobile, they just don't give a shit about those).

Maybe someone lost the source code.

LOL

 

[Nyoro SF]

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

Your argument always assumes that Square releases more new games than ports/remakes. They don't.

I don't know if you are not familiar with industry style of work, but these sorts of ports are almost always without fail subcontracted to another outside agency. If it's kept internal then it's shifted to an outside regional branch of the company.

From the business side these types of ports are considered easy profit makers due to the low overhead in manpower. Thus they usually lowball contracts for porting them outside the company; makes the most sense financially. The main development team of FFXV is 100-to-1 against being involved in any porting of old games, I assure you.

EDIT: I just saw the xenophobic comment... dude, what. lol

 

[Vashetti]

Alvarez, literally what the hell are you on about

 

[orochi91]

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there.

This is a rather outrageous statement.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

Your argument always assumes that Square releases more new games than ports/remakes. They don't.

I am telling you those ports did not affect FFXV, no.

Since you are making the assertion, show me where they did.

 

[MUnited83]

Of course not. But can you tell me that a port of FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF13, FF13-2, FF13:LR, KH1, KH2, KH:COM, and KH:BBS across 50 different platforms hasn't taken any resources away from Final Fantasy XV, which has been in production for a decade now?

I can tell you that, because thats exactly how it is. Not a single of those ports affected XV or any other nem game's development. Thats not how it works.

 

[wazoo]

Probably spacing it out from Type-0 and Lightning Returns. I also agree that it seems probable that we will get the FFIX remaster first on PC, and then X/X2 after.


So looking at Steamspy, it looks like Final Fantasy XIII has shot up to around 500k after the Winter sale. XIII-2 is now at around 270k. Not bad considering that game's start last year.

Square will not fail Steam money if they can. Type 0 is at 100k, not even sure it sold as much on ps4.

 

[TGO]

I can just see Square taking their time between releases. Didn't they say somewhere that they wanted the entire series to be available on PS4, or did I dream that up?

Anyway, they definitely like this steady little stream of what is essentially free FF port money coming in. If they stagger releases between Steam and the PS4, they could keep it going on for a while yet.

Nope you didn't dream it, they did actually say that.
As for this, I don't know why it hasn't been released already, it's been released on all current PlayStations in the last two years and the PS4 release would have been the best time.
Releasing a few months later was a possibility but didn't happen
And I don't think it's taking this amount of time just to port it, so who knows
Perhaps this time "Only on PlayStation" actually means what it implies.

 

[Mesoian]

Why make new and good FF games when you can just port all the ones you already have 5 times over?

Good thing there's literally half a dozen new final fantasy games coming out soon.

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there. But even they have finally realized that if you want to maximize your profits, you need to release on Steam.

This is adorable.

Square will not fail Steam money if they can. Type 0 is at 100k, not even sure it sold as much on ps4.

And that game was garbage. Imagine if they put an actually sought after game on Steam.

 

[GhostTrick]

Square will not fail Steam money if they can. Type 0 is at 100k, not even sure it sold as much on ps4.

Definitely sold more than 100k on PS4 (already sold 120k in Japan). The same can't be said for XB1 version though... also, I wonder how many copies are sitting on the shelves.
It also makes me wonder why they still consider a PC release as secondary when it could profit from the marketing hype and full price release.

 

[Demise]

Dual Audio better be included.

What do you mean by Dual Audio ? Japanese and English voices/subtitles ?

 

[Falk]

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there.

I submit that Square JP currently leaves something to be desired in fully understanding the modern PC platform, but between xenophobic and ports taking away dev time from FFXV, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

You want to know what objectively took away dev time from many projects? Turning around FFXIV 1.0. And that paid off.

 

[cheesekao]

Square will not fail Steam money if they can. Type 0 is at 100k, not even sure it sold as much on ps4.

Last I heard it from the NPD thread it sold roughly 160k in the US alone in its first month.

 

[Alvarez]

... ports are almost always without fail subcontracted to another outside agency. If it's kept internal then it's shifted to an outside regional branch of the company...

... low overhead in manpower...

They are low overhead--when they aren't saturating your release schedule. At the end of the day, Square still has to propose, plan, oversee, publish, and wrangle with contracts on the platform end.

I'm willing to bet that Square's busy schedule has negatively affected some component of XV along the way--but if you're not, then that's fine.

And anyone who thinks Square hasn't been xenophobic (look up the word if you don't know what it means--I'm not calling them racists) until extremely recently hasn't been following them very closely. Square was a revolutionary, risky company from 1987 to 2001--and then they retreated into this stagnant, holier-than-thou shell for ten years that nearly bankrupted them. It was Eidos and Yoshida that catapulted the company back into reality.

Square is releasing games on Steam, allowing you to pay for FF14 with actual money, releasing demos, and giving players surveys asking how they can make their games better now. Six years ago, these simple things were anathema to Square.

 

[CertifiedFP]

Not me! Square is one of the most out-of-touch and xenophobic publishers out there. But even they have finally realized that if you want to maximize your profits, you need to release on Steam.

Now I'm just waiting for Nintendo to realize the same.

 

[Mesoian]

Are they gonna make me buy both?

I only really want X-2.

I'll be honest, when it does come out, I'll be my 5th time buying that game.

I really like FF10.

 

[Battlechili]

I'd assume they're probably just spacing the releases out. Also maybe trying to go in order. Like, it was only a few weeks between VI's release and IX's announcement. Maybe after IX comes out a few weeks later X/X-2 HD will be announced?