FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’ve put a good chunk of time into GT7. If it’s taking them 300 days to do one of these cars, then their time seems mismanaged. Game looks great, but nothing insane to take that long.
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It Takes Almost 300 Days for Gran Turismo 7 Developers to Make One of the Game's Cars
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Bumblebeetuna
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I’ll never understand the need for such nonsense when other devs can put out sims just as good with just as much content and in quicker fashion. Spend less time on cars and spend more resources on sound and AI and GT would be way better.
Used to be my favorite and most played franchise. Haven’t even bothered with Sport or 7.
Used to be my favorite and most played franchise. Haven’t even bothered with Sport or 7.
Flutta
Banned
Totally agree.
Been playing it for about 2 weeks. Game is alot of fun. Sadly the only thing i didn’t like about it is the car sounds. Most of the cars sounds are identical or fake. PD has been criticized for this for a long time now and they seem not to care at all. I don’t get it. They say it’s improved now. I say bullshit!
Engine sound is a huge part for racing games and all KAZ cares about is classic music. Damn geezer needs retire already.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sounds good.
My office has about 150 or so people working here. Add in the warehouse staff and we're probably 200. So similar to PD.
If you add up all of our time working during a year and purposely funnel all those 100,000s of hours into making one pack of soap, while ignoring all the other stuff we do, we can say every new soap pack we launch takes like 50 years of manpower to make.
SLB1904
Banned
What year is this?
Arguably the only game out there that sounds better than gt7 is ACC
Stop tripping
Hero_Select
Member
Wow this sounds terrible and unsustainable.
squidilix
Member
Jesus christ...I believe it as I remember reading something similar for the cars in Driveclub. I believe theres a lot of reference data gathered from the cars in person aswell witch probably adds a lot to the time too.
I looked it up.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
CATIA is old. Its so hard to find history of CAD softwares(Moldflow history anyone?). Thankfully, Dassault made this PDF.
At Page 15. In 1981, when they released CATIA they already had so many customers from the Aerospace and Automative industry. And by 1985(at page 18), they had 400 customers. PTC's predecesssor to Creo was Pro/Engineer which released in 1987 and there was also CADKEY(now KeyCreator) which came out in 1984 and CADDS4(since around the same time CATIA released to public). Another relevant reading
CADKEY or Catia? Boeing’s Billion-Dollar 3D CAD Mistake!
CADKEY or Catia? Boeing’s Billion-Dollar 3D CAD Mistake!
tecnetinc.com
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sankt-Antonio
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The Catia files used for tooling have so much shit in them, are from hundred different sub contractors made in hundred different layouts and techniques... Porting them over is more work than doing them from scratch.
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EverydayBeast
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There’s trillions of cars made they should take their time approach.
SLB1904
Banned
They pretty much start over from gt sport.
Brigandier
Member
Kvally
Member
Funniest post of the thread award right there.
GT7 is a solid game. Even if you want to wait until it hits $19.99, I highly recommend it. To be clear, I am talking the single player portion of the game. I haven't even touched online.
cireza
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They definitely took 300 days to make this car back then :
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SLB1904
Banned
Go on. Let's see your counter argumentFunniest post of the thread award right there.
Edit: as expected yiu got nothing
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If it’s anything where I work the models are heavy as shit .. made in a CAD program for example Solid Edge. I use these sometimes.
But too many polygons to handle, just as 1 object in a simple scene would work. Only a lighting setup with a hdr environment map. 25 million polygons , for our models in our industry . Textures , totally dog shit with up to 100 texture ids , models are totally not optimized for even rendering , let alone real-time . In the end you need to go in with the hand . Optimizing and correcting polygon loops, and retexture everything. Say goodbye to 3+ months of you life . I can image this is what polyphony is encountering .
Btw Optimus prime in the first movie , took about a year to model and rig. I don’t work on movies btw or games .
But too many polygons to handle, just as 1 object in a simple scene would work. Only a lighting setup with a hdr environment map. 25 million polygons , for our models in our industry . Textures , totally dog shit with up to 100 texture ids , models are totally not optimized for even rendering , let alone real-time . In the end you need to go in with the hand . Optimizing and correcting polygon loops, and retexture everything. Say goodbye to 3+ months of you life . I can image this is what polyphony is encountering .
Btw Optimus prime in the first movie , took about a year to model and rig. I don’t work on movies btw or games .
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Which are most of the time useless .. read my post. You would think that .. but they don’t . If it works for them it works .. even if the pipeline is bloated ..
So you end up with heavy models for real-time , almost no one can handle . But they don’t care .. they produce cars with these models. The models that I saw where even heavy for engineers , constructing them in Solid Edge.
Part of the problem is , that every thing in these models need to be there .. like bolts . All the small bits. So it adds up , the polygon count grows . So it’s not even their problem , they can handle this data. But if handed over to lets say marketing or a cgi studio or game studio the fun begins.
And game pipe lines are based on polygons . But a CAD program could be based on Nurbs or lines / splines .. when you convert these to polygonal meshes you need polygonal definition, so you add sub divisions or tesselattion to keep the contours .. but you need to optimize for real time rendering .
That’s why ue5 was invented
maybe polyphony needs to switch to UE 5 
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jm89
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Yeah I'm finding these sound comments weird. Sound has massively improved since GT sport. These boys must have gt6 in their ps3s and got confused.
Kvally
Member
ACC, RaceRoom, FM7, rFactor and Automobilista to start.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Kvally
Member
Scapes in GT7 is as close to perfection as you currently get with car visuals that include motion. Sexy AF. ForzaVista is hot too, but those are static.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think some people don't spend enough time at the track and are used to the fake "Hollywood reverb" added to other games.
The cars sound exactly like they do, IRL. I own and have owned several in the game, and the sound, especially with headphones, is pretty damned accurate. The rich-tuned pops shifting gears or letting off the gas is fantastic as well.
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00Magnum Gaming
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He said the 270 days bs to excuse the fact they cant get the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 4. Forza has 700 cars and is way more dynamic .
Forza would take way longer make if this development process was right. Its Polyphony using their bs marketing again to defend against fans wanting the Evo. Unfortunately this still works on their supporters. Sad.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Kvally
Member
SLB1904
Banned
Me when I lie.
Go on find a comparison with real life for this games. Go on.
Forza is literally reusing assets from previous games. And it's not a bad thing. You gotta do what you gotta do.
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Ammogeddon
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If it’s meant as a brag I’m not impressed. Sounds like inefficiency if you ask me.
The one thing you can't knock about GT is their car model accuracy. It's always on point to the smallest detail
Can you do it faster ?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's not.
killatopak
Member
It landed them a license from FIA.
treemk
Banned
So your experience of the series is 10 years old and your talking out of your ass?
treemk
Banned
The variation and realism from car to car in Forza is trash and everyone knows it
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It’s just game development. “300 days” obviously isn’t linear days.
treemk
Banned
Yeah, presumably man hours, their pace with car releases in GT Sport was much faster than 300 real days
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CATIA wasn't really used that much for car models. That was more for military and aviation.
They usually made clay models and used something called UNISURF to record the model as mathematical surfaces. You might have heard of Bezier, he developed UNISURF, and it's where the bezier curves and surfaces we use today come from. Anyway, it's more the fact that that information is harder to come by today and doesn't include the entire car model, mostly just body. That's why older cars are more likely to be scanned instead of relying on some forgotten/lost incomplete format defining a car, that's more the issue and not so much how old UNISURF or CATIA are.
treemk
Banned
What year is it?
You guys seriously wrote off the series 10 years ago and are replying like you know whats going on?
Kvally
Member
No! Because if I take the time to post comparisons, it will just drain 8 hours out of my life and you probably won't reply and even if I got a reply you'd just ignore what I said anyway; so what I am going to do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk, and then bend over and take it up the tailpipe!
SLB1904
Banned
These threads are always embarrassing.
These clueless users are the ones with most opinions
Whatever Jimmy
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SkyHighTrees
Member
It's much improved. Let me guess, you think Forza Horizon 5 has great car sounds?
SkyHighTrees
Member
Is this about sounds? If so, get FM7 right off that list. Fake growl to make monotone sounding cars, sound agressive. They dropped the ball compared to their FM4 days. Those sounds were a little more accurate and subdued.
ACC sounds better, easily. RaceRoom too, Rfactor maybe and Automobilista I haven't played.