'A threat to Democracy' says NieR creator on payment processors censoring adult games

poppabk said:
How would crypto fix it?
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You circumvent the banks (payment processors, government, whosoever) and remove their control. That's one of the primary purposes of something like Bitcoin.

I should clarify that crypto can be designed in any fashion or function, so not all crypto currencies feature this purpose.
 
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DownLikeBCPowder said:
You circumvent the banks (payment processors, government, whosoever) and remove their control. That's one of the primary purposes of something like Bitcoin.
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This is also why banks and payment processors whine like litte bitches about the "dangers" of cryptocurrencies. Yeah, they are a danger alright. To their main business models.
 
Foremost the Japanese are interested in selling us their cheap, pornographic games, in more and more increasingly gacha styled versions.

If it would be up to them, the whole west would sit like zombies in Japan in front of their gacha machines, gambling for "waifus" with mega breasts, dumbing us down and thus elevating their cultural position while making a good profit of it.

Make no mistake, they are running an agenda here and our freedoms are just a pretense for pushing it, while in reality they would love to enslave us with their trash!
 
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CosmicHusky said:
Foremost the Japanese are interested in selling us their cheap, pornographic games, in more and more increasingly gacha styled versions.

If it would be up to the Japanese, the whole west would sit like zombies in Japan in front of their gacha machines, gambling for "waifus" with mega breasts, dumbing us down and thus elevating their cultural position while making a good profit of it.

Make no mistake, they are running an agenda here and our freedoms are just a pretense for pushing it, while in reality they would love to enslave us with this trash!
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The fuck are you talking about?
 
Danjin44 said:
My dear Taro….where is my game?
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Game??

Is he going to give you another Nier Automata symphonic concert.
 
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Danny Dudekisser said:
The fuck are you talking about?
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I'm not saying that you're wrong, regarding your comment

"This is honestly kind of insane.I don't want to hear any horseshit from people about how it's just a couple of stupid smut games. If you don't see where this leads, you're a fucking idiot."

in the other thread about itch.io's action - on the contrary, I agree - but this is still about the Japanese interests and not our own.
 
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CosmicHusky said:
Foremost the Japanese are interested in selling us their cheap, pornographic games, in more and more increasingly gacha styled versions.

If it would be up to the Japanese, the whole west would sit like zombies in Japan in front of their gacha machines, gambling for "waifus" with mega breasts, dumbing us down and thus elevating their cultural position while making a good profit of it.

Make no mistake, they are running an agenda here and our freedoms are just a pretense for pushing it, while in reality they would love to enslave us with this trash!
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This shall not stand.

If payment processors want to control us the market will create new websites that sell the content with crypto.

You mark my words, this is the beginning of the end for traditional payment processors and the start of the crypto empire.
 
Three said:
It's not illegal or against ToS to transfer money into paypal though. It's for the seller and the seller would be bound to Paypal's ToS. Paypal much like AMEX wouldn't support what might be deemed as illegal either but it was just another example of a payment processor.
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The problem is Visa/MC have the same influence over paypal that they do over something like Steam. It is the same deal with other online payment processors like Stripe or whatever. They aren't real alternatives.
CosmicHusky said:
Foremost the Japanese are interested in selling us their cheap, pornographic games, in more and more increasingly gacha styled versions.

If it would be up to the Japanese, the whole west would sit like zombies in Japan in front of their gacha machines, gambling for "waifus" with mega breasts, dumbing us down and thus elevating their cultural position while making a good profit of it.

Make no mistake, they are running an agenda here and our freedoms are just a pretense for pushing it, while in reality they would love to enslave us with this trash!
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What on Earth are you talking about? Most of the "waifu" gacha games popular in the west aren't even Japanese.
 
Sakura said:
The problem is Visa/MC have the same influence over paypal that they do over something like Steam. It is the same deal with other online payment processors like Stripe or whatever. They aren't real alternatives.
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But they don't. Despite the fact that one way of sending money to paypal is through Visa or MC it has no influence on paypals TOS for handling payments on Steam. Steam are free to sell whatever they want that paypal allows.
 
Three said:
But they don't. Despite the fact that one way of sending money to paypal is through Visa or MC it has no influence on paypals TOS for handling payments on Steam. Steam are free to sell whatever they want that paypal allows.
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Yes they do. Just like they can tell Valve to remove stuff or face not having Visa/MC, they can tell PayPal to drop their support or lose Visa/MC.
Even in a world where PayPal could continue to operate on Steam/itch.io/etc without allowing you to purchase things via a linked Visa or MC, that would still be a significant loss in business because most people paying via PayPal are still just using a linked credit card. It is not a realistic alternative.
 
Sakura said:
Yes they do. Just like they can tell Valve to remove stuff or face not having Visa/MC, they can tell PayPal to drop their support or lose Visa/MC.
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Legally they have no right to do this so they can't. That would be deemed as an antitrust case.
Sakura said:
Even in a world where PayPal could continue to operate on Steam/itch.io/etc without allowing you to purchase things via a linked Visa or MC, that would still be a significant loss in business because most people paying via PayPal are still just using a linked credit card. It is not a realistic alternative.
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A linked Visa or MC on Paypal is different to Paypal Credit and Paypal wallet. The former is just using your third party credit card without inputing details into sites but the latter two are different payment processors.
 
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Three said:
Legally they have no right to do this so they can't. That would be deemed as an antitrust case.

A linked Visa or MC on Paypal is different to Paypal Credit and Paypal wallet. The former is just using your third party credit card without inputing details into sites but the latter two are different payment processors.
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It's not like they haven't been hit with antitrust cases before. Just a few days ago Japan's antitrust had to order Visa to change their business practices over stuff they were doing.
In any case, it doesn't really matter. They are all in bed together. Paypal is just as bad, if not worse. Like how Paypal dropped support for pornhub.
I can't really think of any examples where Visa/MC had to be dropped for adult stuff, but Paypal remained.
 
CosmicHusky said:
I'm not saying that you're wrong, regarding your comment

"This is honestly kind of insane.I don't want to hear any horseshit from people about how it's just a couple of stupid smut games. If you don't see where this leads, you're a fucking idiot."

in the other thread about itch.io's action - on the contrary, I agree - but this is still about the Japanese interests and not our own.
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They're coming for your furry stuff as well - Visa and MasterCard regard it as bestiality. Some sites have been hit already. Censorship like this isn't going to stop at just the anime stuff you personally dislike.
 
For the last few years, banks, processors, etc, have been dropping people because of things they say or political affiliation. IMO, if you do not do anything criminal, this should not be allowed to happen. Shareholders and investorts should not give a fuck what someone says or thinks. Canadian government shut down the trucker protesters bank accounts and killed their GoFundMe because they didnt like what they had to say. It does not get much more communist than that. Telling people what they can and cant buy, who they can or cant give money to, is a very slippery slope. Again, if it isn't illegal, then who gives a fuck.
 
Hudo said:
This is also why banks and payment processors whine like litte bitches about the "dangers" of cryptocurrencies. Yeah, they are a danger alright. To their main business models.
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Far more than that, but absolutely.

Three said:
But they don't. Despite the fact that one way of sending money to paypal is through Visa or MC it has no influence on paypals TOS for handling payments on Steam. Steam are free to sell whatever they want that paypal allows.
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Just because they don't (right now, in this instance - they have before) doesn't mean they won't or can't. PayPal is just as dangerous (if smaller in reach) as these mega processors in terms of what is being discussed generally here. I have seen several cite PayPal as some savior or solution of which they are neither. They are effectively the same.

Boo Who? said:
For the last few years, banks, processors, etc, have been dropping people because of things they say or political affiliation. IMO, if you do not do anything criminal, this should not be allowed to happen. Shareholders and investorts should not give a fuck what someone says or thinks. Canadian government shut down the trucker protesters bank accounts and killed their GoFundMe because they didnt like what they had to say. It does not get much more communist than that. Telling people what they can and cant buy, who they can or cant give money to, is a very slippery slope. Again, if it isn't illegal, then who gives a fuck.
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Unfortunately many continue to kick the corpse of laissez-faire, cheering temporary victories that doom us all in the long term.
 
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DownLikeBCPowder said:
PayPal is just as dangerous (if smaller in reach) as these mega processors in terms of what is being discussed generally here. I have seen several cite PayPal as some savior or solution of which they are neither. They are effectively the same.
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I've said as much already:
Three said:
Paypal much like AMEX wouldn't support what might be deemed as illegal either but it was just another example of a payment processor.
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Paypal and AmEx are not that different in their ToS.
 
I don't know. There is some serious degenerative level shit on Steam. I'm not sure I'd call payment processing companies wanting to avoid that a threat to democracy. I see it as their leaders wanting avoid potential legal consequences and not support Shower With Your Aunt 2.0 or whatever other weird shit comes out.
 
Isurus said:
I don't know. There is some serious degenerative level shit on Steam. I'm not sure I'd call payment processing companies wanting to avoid that a threat to democracy. I see it as their leaders wanting avoid potential legal consequences and not support Shower With Your Aunt 2.0 or whatever other weird shit comes out.
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Never bought/played any of such games yet i completely agree with Yoko Taro.
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DownLikeBCPowder said:
You circumvent the banks (payment processors, government, whosoever) and remove their control. That's one of the primary purposes of something like Bitcoin.

I should clarify that crypto can be designed in any fashion or function, so not all crypto currencies feature this purpose.
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In the case of good Cryptos like Bitcoin, the banks aren't allowed to create it out of thin air like they can currency with loans.

Still, bitcoin is always depicted as a gold coin. There's a reason for that, gold is the best we have for money.
 
The underlying problem is that with America being the big market that's running the show 100% of modern video games are "Made for Kids" ranging from E for Everybody to Mature 17 year olds.
AO games are the future of video gaming because they're the only path out of this situation where everything is dumbed down for kids.
 
Guess who is never gonna use visa or master card on steam again? That's right, me.

I can buy steam credit directly on my bank app so i'll do that instead
 
PeteBull said:
Never bought/played any of such games yet i completely agree with Yoko Taro.
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But you admit they are there, I presume. I'm a fan a free speech. I also recognize that it can't be used as an excuse to allow illegal perversions and other nonsense to be normalized. I'm just providing an alternate perspective. Thankfully, Steam has a nice feature to filter out all that nonsense, which I have turned on. I returned to PC gaming about 2 years ago and was floored at all the crazy messed up games that are other there. Be it incest, pedophilia, beastality, rape, goofy fetishes, etc. It's all out there. I think it is normal for a strong company, as well as normal people for that matter, to want to distance themselves from and avoid their own brand being tied to heinous nonsense. It's perfectly rational for a company to say "I don't want my brand tied to enabling Cousin Pissing On You Simulator 3.0". I get it. Is there a balance that has to be struck to ensure the true reality of freedom of speech is protected? Of course. However, the creation or distribution of obscene materials is not protected by freedom of speech, as determined by the courts in Roth vs. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957). It's not a crutch that allows you to do whatever the hell you want.
 
Isurus said:
But you admit they are there, I presume. I'm a fan a free speech. I also recognize that it can't be used as an excuse to allow illegal perversions and other nonsense to be normalized. I'm just providing an alternate perspective. Thankfully, Steam has a nice feature to filter out all that nonsense, which I have turned on. I returned to PC gaming about 2 years ago and was floored at all the crazy messed up games that are other there. Be it incest, pedophilia, beastality, rape, goofy fetishes, etc. It's all out there. I think it is normal for a strong company, as well as normal people for that matter, to want to distance themselves from and avoid their own brand being tied to heinous nonsense. It's perfectly rational for a company to say "I don't want my brand tied to enabling Cousin Pissing On You Simulator 3.0". I get it. Is there a balance that has to be struck to ensure the true reality of freedom of speech is protected? Of course. However, the creation or distribution of obscene materials is not protected by freedom of speech, as determined by the courts in Roth vs. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957). It's not a crutch that allows you to do whatever the hell you want.
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Not even american citizen here so i dont know ur guys laws that good(i follow US politics/news etc for obvious reasons), and in terms of rape/pedofilia, im big proponent to cutting off those guys either big or small heads, if u know what i mean, by rape i mean actual rape, not the me2 movement "rape" where some women retroactively decide to remove constent after the deed is already done coz she "feels" different 2 weeks later or is too ahamed to admit it was all consentual at that time even if it was her and 5 dudes(like that recent case of 5 canadian hockey players- even tho they were found not guilty all 5 got their carriers slashed- and yeh they had her on vid consenting, filmed by smarthpone, probably only reason they won coz we know how canada is- "believe all women" shit rofl ) :P
 
If different payment options are available to you: use those. I use something called iDeal, but I believe that's only a Dutch thing.
 
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