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[Dave Long]

Hey. If milking the Mario and Pokemon franchise to death is profitting, then GO NINTENDO!

Yeah, they're nothing like Namco and that Ace Combat series. There's only, what, five of those? And Sony...they don't milk either. They only released three Jak games and three Ratchet and Clank games, one each year! I mean, Nintendo's had what, one main series Mario game this gen? Now THAT'S milking!

Go troll somewhere else AssMan.

Amazing how people give themselves appropriate names on messageboards...

 

[gofreak]

So if Mario128 is vapourware, that would leave Zelda as the obvious thing to launch with, backed up with something like Pilotwings. There has been no new media of Zelda since E3, so it is possible it's being reworked.

There were 2 new Zelda shots released quite recently. I wouldn't rule out a move to Revolution entirely though, afterall you can never quite tell what Nintendo are going to do next.

Miyamoto is supposedly working on Mario again. He hinted at as much in various interviews. But things can change, I remember him saying some stuff in pre-"Dolphin" interviews that didn't turn out as expected (well, they kind of did actually. I remember him talking about a mario game, saying that "i've luigi running around on my screen now", and of course a lot of people thought of a "proper" mario game with luigi co-starring etc. You can't always take stuff for granted with miyamoto. it's best to wait until stuff is actually shown, if not until it's actually on store shelves ). I think his most recent comment on Mario was that he has decided that Mario has to be there to launch new Nintendo technology from now on (or words similar to that). But even then, that might not always work out as you expect..

I think for most people the combination of a new system + a "proper" new mario game would be potent. On their own they'd be exciting enough, but together they'd be more than the sum of their parts imo.

 

[JJConrad]

There has been no new media of Zelda since E3, so it is possible it's being reworked.

Actually, two new "screenshots" were released about a month ago.

Didn't the idea that Zelda would be released earlier than November come a quote that Miyamoto stated something like "You be able to play the game soon than you think," or "its further along than seems." I don't remember any other hints of anything other than just 2005.

 

[human5892]

Actually, two new "screenshots" were released about a month ago.

Weren't those just shots taken from the extended E3 trailer though?

 

[gofreak]

Weren't those just shots taken from the extended E3 trailer though?

Possibly, but Nintendo still did release them themselves. Which suggests that at least as of the time of their release Nintendo wasn't planning a switch to Rev.

 

[AssMan]

Yeah, they're nothing like Namco and that Ace Combat series. There's only, what, five of those?

lol. Two Ace Combat games on PS2 compared to how many different Mario games released on Gamecube?

 

[human5892]

Possibly, but Nintendo still did release them themselves. Which suggests that at least as of the time of their release Nintendo wasn't planning a switch to Rev.

Ah, true.

For the record, I don't think Revolution is coming in 2005, anyway.

lol. Two Ace Combat games on PS2 compared to how many different Mario games released on Gamecube?

One Mario game in the main series.

 

[AniHawk]

lol. Two Ace Combat games on PS2 compared to how many different Mario games released on Gamecube?

Good point. But.. Pokemon?

 

[gofreak]

Mario Party is a questionable offshoot for the IP imo. And I'd prefer not to see Mario characters in NBA Street. But that asides Mario is exceptionally well maintained as an IP. You can release as many games featuring Mario as you like, in my book, as look as they are true his pedigree. Milking a franchise is when you start creating games for it that you're selling on name alone i.e. crap games wrapped up in a famous name to sell. Nintendo isn't doing that, imo. The vast majority of Mario games are of sterling quality and introduce something new (be it for the series or games in general).

Check gamerankings if you want a measure of that and see how recent mario titles stack up. Of course, they are the opinions of other people, and in the end yours may differ, but it'll take more than your dislike for those games to justify an objective charge of milking imo.

 

[DECK'ARD]

By no new media I meant nothing apart from stuff from the E3 trailer. The release of those shots raised questions anyway. If the game had 6 months more development time, wouldn't you release the latest shots with the latest engine?

If it had been moved to Revolution (and again, I don't think it's necessarily likely just possible), they couldn't release latest shots of it because that would give everything away. So they just put out some shots from the old trailer instead.

You could argue they'd be deceiving the fans, but they know they've got everything to play for now. So a 'surprise' like this could be needed. Also if 2005 is meant to be the year of the revolution, wouldn't Zelda on GC just take attention away from that?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

lol. Two Ace Combat games on PS2 compared to how many different Mario games released on Gamecube?

Good point, the series went through a major gameplay change on PS2. The earlier games were just average.

 

[human5892]

By no new media I meant nothing apart from stuff from the E3 trailer. The release of those shots raised questions anyway. If the game had 6 months more development time, wouldn't you release the latest shots with the latest engine?

Not if you're Nintendo, you wouldn't.

Also if 2005 is meant to be the year of the revolution, wouldn't Zelda on GC just take attention away from that?

If Zelda really did come out in June and Revolution in Fall, I don't think the two would overlap. But I also don't think Revolution is coming in 2005.

 

[AssMan]

Nintendo isn't doing that, imo.

Well imo, the unpolished Super Mario Sunshine, and Wind Waker says otherwise.

 

[gofreak]

BIf it had been moved to Revolution (and again, I don't think it's necessarily likely just possible), they couldn't release latest shots of it because that would give everything away. So they just put out some shots from the old trailer instead.

That'd be a pretty cheeky thing to do. With the SW2000 Zelda demo they didn't dare release any new media for it, and stopped showing it completely past E32K1 (the switch to "Celda" was probably internally decided upon shortly after that).

Besides, serious doubt hangs over this article now. Though I wouldn't rule out either a 2005 Revolution launch or a Zelda switch to revolution at this stage either.

 

[gofreak]

Well imo, the unpolished Super Mario Sunshine, and Wind Waker says otherwise.

Both of these were very high quality games I think, and many would agree with me. The ugly stepsister of the Mario series is undoubtedly Mario 2 imo - Sunshine certainly doesn't threaten it for that title. The veracity with which minor flaws in either of these games are picked at simply shows the standard to which they're held, and continue to be held imo.

 

[Odnetnin]

not much to say here. I just wonder how their next console will be taken by the Mass market after the rather disatrous last 2 gens (N64 + cube).

Its either revolution or 3rd party imo.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker are only unpolished according to the high-standards barometer of Nintendo's past, and of course the ever improving quality of select third party devs.

I thought Ocarina of Time was shit compared to Link to the Past but I still loved it. And I loved Wind Waker even more for so many reasons. Mario Sunshine was really strange.. but at it's core it still had a lot of what made Mario 64 so lovable.. and a lot of things were improved, even if that Mushroom Kingdom atmosphere was missing.

Whatever your own subjective feelings are on the style and substance of those games, I think it's pretty hard to say that compared to most games today, they're anything but very polished products.

 

[Odnetnin]

radioheadrule83
I have a mouth and anus.

:lol

um. Polished technically but somewhat flawed titles. Doesn't mean they're not enjoyable but Nintendo did FU here:


WW :

Super Sail for always on wind in the latter half of the title
Easier Triforce collection in latter half.
No explorable Hyrule
Too easy. Pig = best boss in game.

SMS :

Blue coin hunt meter/hint + something worth collecting all them coins for

Some were so esoteric and odd that it wasn't worth it. I had no problem with the actual game which I found to be really fun. And oh, that yoshi vomit puzzle is bollocks.

 

[DrLazy]

If for some reason Zelda was held for Revolution it would enter into the realm of Eternal Darkness and Shenmue 2. In other words a pretty good games with shitty sales.

 

[JJConrad]

gofreak, ignore AssMan. He's just appropriately named. I don't know why Namco was brought into this, or why he bothered to defend a company/team that's been more than willing to milk another person's cow.


With the Zelda images, Nintendo also released a number of screenshot to Gamecube games they had just announced. So we know that Nintendo is planning on supporting the system through the year. Why would they toss in a game they knew wasn't going to be released on the Gamecube? They didn't need to included a Zelda image at all, because Nintendo had already stated that weren't going to show anymore until we near E3. Zelda may come out in May, June, or July in Japan, but even if it does it won't be out here until the holidays.

 

[human5892]

If for some reason Zelda was held for Revolution it would enter into the realm of Eternal Darkness and Shenmue 2. In other words a pretty good games with shitty sales.

Why?

 

[Odnetnin]

Why?

ignoring the establisheed userbase could be one reason

however launch titles sell VERY well

 

[gofreak]

Why?

There might be danger inherent in forcing a game intially designed for one system onto another system, especially if the other system features some radically different way of playing games as Revolution might. At least that'd be a risk from a quality perspective.

 

[AssMan]

not much to say here. I just wonder how their next console will be taken by the Mass market after the rather disatrous last 2 gens (N64 + cube).

Pretty much the same point I was getting to, and for the record JJconrad blame Dave Long for bringing up Namco.


edit-I'm not trolling Nintendo. Hell, EAD's best games were completely original titlesikmin 1+2. Hopefully the new Zelda game restores my faith.

 

[human5892]

There might be danger inherent in forcing a game intially designed for one system onto another system, especially if the other system features some radically different way of playing games as Revolution might. At least that'd be a risk from a quality perspective.

That's possible, but I'm not sure that could definitively translate into bad sales, as DrLazy claims.

Unless the console itself sold badly, I can't imagine a scenario where a Zelda launch title wouldn't sell at least moderately well.

 

[Spike]

Haven't read all the posts yet.

Revolution is backwards compatible. There might be something like the PS2 playing PS1 games with slightly cleaner visuals for Zelda 2005 running on the Revolution. Also, I fully expect that you'll be able to use the Cube/Wavebird controllers with the Revolution for the backwards compatibility, if the revolution really is revolutionary in terms of controller interface.

Nintendo has always maintained that they would release the Revolution at the same time as the competition. They never said 2005 or 2006. It could happen that it'll be released this year, especially since the majority of the hardware is being done by IBM and ATI.

If for some reason Zelda was held for Revolution it would enter into the realm of Eternal Darkness and Shenmue 2. In other words a pretty good games with shitty sales.

No, Zelda as a Revolution launch title = massive sales.

 

[JJConrad]

If for some reason Zelda was held for Revolution it would enter into the realm of Eternal Darkness and Shenmue 2. In other words a pretty good games with shitty sales.

There have been plenty of games that have crossed platforms and generations. It doesn't mean failure.

We all remember Star Fox Adventure... crap game, but very good sale. Goldeneye began as SNES title. Super Mario 128 is suppose to be being switch over to Revolution.

 

[SantaC]

SHIT it was not my meant to start the zelda to revolution thing AGAIN. I am sorry, but I am 99% sure that Zelda is still a gamecube title. Why else would Nintendo announce it coming out for gamecube in their releasedate 2005 list.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I just don't feel like spending around 500 bucks for just consoles within 4 days like I did in November 2001

 

[monkeyrun]

interesting.... DS released in Dec 2004 and he called 2004 the year of DS

So going by what he said Revolution will probably be release in Dec.

 

[StRaNgE]

if it were backwards compatable it would not be a huge issue .

either way E3 should be interesting to get some more hard facts and times.

 

[Laurent]

Well, they did showed interactive Nintendo DS for the first time last E3, the same year they launched the system...

Nintendo repeatedly said that they (only?) intend to show their next console with interactive games...

 

[ki/oon]

interesting.... DS released in Dec 2004 and he called 2004 the year of DS

So going by what he said Revolution will probably be release in Dec.

Phew, I'm happy he didn't call 2005 the year of Gizmondo.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Ahaha. That guy cracks me up. At least he isn't insane like the other guy.

 

[FnordChan]

FnordChan

 

[madara]

Not happening in 05, this is Nintendo! you can relax that wallet for another year.

 

[Hollywood]

I think it's obvious Revolution will launch in 2004. Oh wait ...

 

[doncale]

BRING ON TEH REVOLUTION. I'm seriously excited about it. I'm been waiting for videogames to chance significantly. while Im sure Nintendo will NOT do the type of things that ive been dreaming about and hoping for, I do expect some changes to the way videogames are played. DS is a wonderful step in new direction. Revolution should be another....


sorry I'm Captain Obvious but i cannot think of what else to say at the moment

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm excited about it, although it's going to be a lot harder to revolutionise a console than a handheld. Touchscreen joypads with tilt-sensors isn't going to cut it.

And whatever and whenever they launch, they *must* launch with a killer-app. They've got to launch with a must-have game that shows off the revolutionary new features. They need a Mario64 not a Luigi's Mansion next time.

 

[Flakster99]

All i really have to say is.. when has Nintendo EVER launched a console system early or on time? Not that there is anything wrong with their launching tactics, I'm not judging them. However, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

I was thinking, wouldn't it be interesting (especially with the recent rumor of Halo 2.5) if Nintendo made the new Zelda for both GCN and Revolution? The same game, but with different graphics engines.

 

[Mama Smurf]

GBA launched early.

Boy, that was easy.

I was thinking, wouldn't it be interesting (especially with the recent rumor of Halo 2.5) if Nintendo made the new Zelda for both GCN and Revolution? The same game, but with different graphics engines.

Interesting? Maybe. Stupid? Definitely.

There aren't going to be that many people who'd buy both, so you're just splitting your userbase between the two consoles and wasting resources developing two seperate engines when you could be working on other games/the next Zelda.

Now if they wanted to leave it yet another generation and remake the game with a brand new engine, then they're likely to get a lot of overlapping sales and it might just be worth it. But that's thinking waaaaay too far ahead.

 

[drohne]

i bet the ds's early success has convinced nintendo to do something really memorably stupid with the revolution. the ds's performance can only reinforce their conviction that hardware performance doesn't matter and that unorthodox control methods can meaningfully change gaming. i just wonder what sort of face the ign editors will pull.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

FnordChan

That's F'ing brilliant.

 

[Naked Snake]

 

[Flakster99]

GBA launched early.

Boy, that was easy.

Certainly you saw that i posted console and not handheld. goob

 

[Axsider]

Yeah, they're nothing like Namco and that Ace Combat series. There's only, what, five of those? And Sony...they don't milk either. They only released three Jak games and three Ratchet and Clank games, one each year! I mean, Nintendo's had what, one main series Mario game this gen? Now THAT'S milking!

Go troll somewhere else AssMan.

Amazing how people give themselves appropriate names on messageboards...

Bullshit! Jak = Three games in one generation is good (and all of them good 90+ ratings)! Look at all the Mario-crap! Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Sunshine, Mario Party, *yawn*
So please....!

 

[Chrono]

I'd love it if Nintendo launched Revolution in japan late this year. It means Zelda is closer. And Mario 128 next-gen right after that.

It’s too good to be true though.

5 months to go.

That's more frightening than it is funny. Shiggy will deliver. BELIEVE this.

 

[Folder]

This thread = GAF going down hill.
Fucking wake up. Financial year blah, launch Zelda yada, milking franchise yawn... Shut up.
Iwata means. "We'll show the Revolution at E3. As we said TEN MONTHS AGO. And we're not top of the tree now, we have to realise our new place in the market and challenge the competition properly this time."
Rant over, leaves thread.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Certainly you saw that i posted console and not handheld. goob

I don't see your point.