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[FunkMiller]

Well, if you’re going to do yet another fucking Batman, then doing a kid friendly Brave And The Bold version is the right way to go.

I’m so tired of superhero movies that I cant really get all that excited by this stuff, but I’ll be there for an actual decent Superman movie if he can pull it off.

 

[Doom85]

And Cavill is about to hit 40, what could have been

Bringing back the right actors for a Kingdom Come adaptation someday would be amazing.

 

[Doom85]

Superman movie, Brave and the Bold movie, and Supergirl movie?!

Kinda surprised Green Lantern will be a show, feels one of the series requiring a higher budget. Hopefully this doesn’t mean it will be based entirely on Earth, I want Hal, John, and Guy off on space adventures.

And Booster Gold getting a series?!

Hopefully this means something Blue Beetle is also in the works.

Swamp Thing is cool, again hopefully this means Animal Man is also being considered, and a Rotworld movie would be sweet.

Not sure about Waller having her own show. Don’t get me wrong, Voila Davis is perfect in the role assuming they’re bringing her back if this meant to be connected to Peacemaker, but this version of the character is far more morally corrupt compared to say the DCAU version who would serve better as the main focus of a potential show.

 

[ManaByte]

Kinda surprised Green Lantern will be a show, feels one of the series requiring a higher budget. Hopefully this doesn’t mean it will be based entirely on Earth, I want Hal, John, and Guy off on space adventures.

He says it's Jon and Hal on Earth like True Detective but being space cops and discovering the big threat that leads into the event the DCU is leading to.

Hopefully this means something Blue Beetle is also in the works.

Blue Beetle comes out in August.

 

[bitbydeath]

Too much TV IMO, should start with movies first to get people introduced and not fatigued.

 

[ManaByte]

Too much TV IMO, should start with movies first to get people introduced.

Superman is the kick off to it. Creature Commandos is animated (but Gunn says the voice actors from the show will play the characters if/when they appear in live action).

 

[ManaByte]

Grace Randolph is claiming Keaton and Supergirl have been edited out of the ending to The Flash.

Originally after Barry fucks up the timeline, he meets up with Keaton and Supergirl and that's where the movie ends. Guess they filmed a new ending for the new DCU.

 

[AJUMP23]

Thanks ManaByte for all this good info. You’re the best.

 

[arkhamguy123]

This seems impenetrable for normies.

This has to flop right?

Undoubtably. Elephant in the room nobody is talking about.

By 2030 I predict the last man standing will be the Robert Pattinson Batman trilogy and someone else will be in charge of DC on film.

 

[arkhamguy123]

in 5 years time I predict WB going bankrupt and selling DC.They're making 10 year plans on the same shit idea that made Marvel phase 4 suck which is merging tv shows and movies into one universe-newsflash! People don't have time to watch 50 different shows in between movies to keep up with the story,the first 3 phases of MCU worked because it was just a couple movies a year that any sad sap could follow.Do they really believe 50 year old Joanna with 3 kids and 2 jobs has time to watch fucking BoosterGold every week to keep up with this shit ,they are out of their minds If they think this will be mainstream,nevermind the fact that superhero fatigue is real and they're planning on a tired and fading trend when video game adaptations seem to be the next big craze after TLOU's big numbers.But good luck to James Gunn in his career ending endeavor.Must be thrilling.

Who is this for btw? It can't be for the fans as they've already alienated most of the fanbase with the deconstruction of the Snyderverse and the destruction of Henry Cavill as Superman and it can't be for the mainstream either for the reasons I listed above so who the fuck is this for? Who's gonna trust DC and WB into investing their precious time into these new representations of characters when they can axe and reboot them at any given time as DC has done time and time again.

Everything about this is on the money except the first part. I think two scenarios are more likely.

It flops and and flops and they keep changing guys until eventually they get an endeavor that captures the hearts and minds of the casuals and fans alike.

OR

WBD is sold off again to a new house and things basically continue and operate the same with changes here and there. This has happened I think 2 or 3 times in WB history. There's just no scenario where they sell DC. It's too profitable if it's done right. Maybe matrix or Harry Potter get sold but even then I doubt it.

 

[Pollux]

How are they planning on doing multiple Batman movies? Is the Pattinson one just going to be it's own thing or some AU of the prime DCCU?

 

[GloveSlap]

in 5 years time I predict WB going bankrupt and selling DC.They're making 10 year plans on the same shit idea that made Marvel phase 4 suck which is merging tv shows and movies into one universe-newsflash! People don't have time to watch 50 different shows in between movies to keep up with the story,the first 3 phases of MCU worked because it was just a couple movies a year that any sad sap could follow.Do they really believe 50 year old Joanna with 3 kids and 2 jobs has time to watch fucking BoosterGold every week to keep up with this shit ,they are out of their minds If they think this will be mainstream,nevermind the fact that superhero fatigue is real and they're planning on a tired and fading trend when video game adaptations seem to be the next big craze after TLOU's big numbers.But good luck to James Gunn in his career ending endeavor.Must be thrilling.

Who is this for btw? It can't be for the fans as they've already alienated most of the fanbase with the deconstruction of the Snyderverse and the destruction of Henry Cavill as Superman and it can't be for the mainstream either for the reasons I listed above so who the fuck is this for? Who's gonna trust DC and WB into investing their precious time into these new representations of characters when they can axe and reboot them at any given time as DC has done time and time again.

I agree that they could have used a disconnected universe to their advantage against Marvel. The insane success of the Joker movie alone should have proven this to them.

 

[jakinov]

I don't understand why connect these projects, just have them be their own thing. Wonderwoman and Aquaman worked because they didn't involve other stuff.

Then, do a movie that brings them together.

Now you have to see everything to "get it". This feels tired to me.

Because there are a lot of stories that span across characters. The movies worked because they ended up being written well enough that people enjoyed them. I don’t think they are forcing any big connection on the first batch of content.

The only one who really ever did “you have to see everything to get it” was Snyder. Who made his moves continue one after the other. Marvel movies can be enjoyed pretty standalone excerpt the last avengers and DC movies have been pretty standalone since 2017. There’s references to previous movies and more value if you do watch everything but everything works fine as a standalone.

 

[Valedix]

Wasn't blue beatle getting its own movie

 

[ManaByte]

How are they planning on doing multiple Batman movies? Is the Pattinson one just going to be it's own thing or some AU of the prime DCCU?

Gunn says it’s Elseworlds.

Wasn't blue beatle getting its own movie

Yes in August.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Sleepwalker]

This seems impenetrable for normies.

This has to flop right?

Yeah, I don't read comics and looking at this I'm mostly out except for waller and Batman (depending on the casting).

Definitely not going to watch any animated shows as its not really my thing.

 

[ADiTAR]

Because there are a lot of stories that span across characters. The movies worked because they ended up being written well enough that people enjoyed them. I don’t think they are forcing any big connection on the first batch of content.

The only one who really ever did “you have to see everything to get it” was Snyder. Who made his moves continue one after the other. Marvel movies can be enjoyed pretty standalone excerpt the last avengers and DC movies have been pretty standalone since 2017. There’s references to previous movies and more value if you do watch everything but everything works fine as a standalone.

So then it becomes "who's story is it anyway?". I understand what you're saying, but Marvel had very small bits in them, usually even reserved to the end credits for connective tissue. It only really came together in the first Avengers. This is setting up TV shows and movies as one cohesive thing, and as we see from recent Marvel it means that you have to shoehorn characters just to keep some sort of connection going.

Maybe they will make it work, I don't see it, but maybe. Seeing Gunn's films after GOTG and how they are all basically the same, I don't see it.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

If they are still going to do one off Elseworlds movies and media can we please get a fucking Terry McGinnis Batman Beyond movie and Arkham-style game already?

 

[bitbydeath]

I am really not interested in this. Gunn got lucky with the Guardians movies to me, but anything else of his doesn't really interest me.

You must not have watched The Belko Experiment, it’s his best movie IMO, and highly rewatchable, I’ve seen it at least five times so far, and am planning on watching it again soon. Easy top 10 all-time movie, up there with Predator, Die Hard and Aliens.

 

[DragoonWalker]

He sure is talking the talk but I'll wait til he walks the walk.

James Gunn isn't known for telling stories that span a wide number of genres. He isn't even known for writing or directing anything that doesn't have his instantly recognizable high school humor tone. My hope is he will recognize this and surround himself with people capable of telling different kinds of stories.

 

[Doom85]

Looking into what they’ve said about the titles so far:

-not sure about bringing in Damien Wayne already. So many of the Batfamily members have either been handled poorly (Robin and “Batgirl” in the Schumacher films) or just not present that skipping ahead to a character who’s been around for like a decade kind of irks me. Maybe they’ll have it so we’re well into Batman’s crime fighting days (actually, they kind of have to, if Damien is at minimum 12 years old, then Bruce has to be Batman for 13 years at least if they’re following the comic of how Talia got pregnant) and so Dick, Jason, Tim, Barbara, Cassandra, and Stephanie are already out there.

Also, I realized my earlier post got Brave and Bold mixed up with Worlds Finest, so I assume Superman won’t be in this film, though the Brave and Bold cartoon did have Bats teaming up with other heroes so maybe another superhero will have a role.

-also, not having Wonder Woman apparently have any presence in essentially their “Phase 1” feels wrong given she is part of the Trinity. Say what you will about the DCEU, but they got that right. A prequel about the Amazons without Diana is not really what I’m looking for.

Edit: actually realized Gunn clarified what was announced is not all that will be in this first phase. So Diana could still have a role to play.

-I hope they don’t make Supergirl too edgy. I get the idea of making her different from Clark, but in the New 52 when I saw they were making her so edgy she flat out became a Red Lantern, I was all:

-also, Gunn thinks Ezra “could return”?

Yeah, even if Ezra turns their life around, I think DC needs to look for a new Flash actor with less controversy attached. The idea of Momoa, Gadot, and Levi returning is nice though. Weird they would specifically exclude Cavill. I mean, I guess if they have a really long term plan in mind, they think 39 is too old, but I dunno.

Edit: actually, since Gunn confirmed the Flash movie will reset things, but Aquaman 2 comes out after, does this confirm at least that Momoa will still be Aquaman in this new verse? Maybe they’ll have Aquaman 2 set before Flash, but we’ll see.

-and to counter what a few people are needlessly worrying about in this thread, Gunn says this is not “the Gunn verse”. He is not putting his influence into all the films and shows, only vetoing something if it’s just clearly a downright bad idea.

Overall, it does sound pretty good with only a few concerns I have so far.

 

[gothmog]

Not sure how well this will appeal to the mainstream but I like the approach.

I also suspect Marvel will get things back on track sooner than later now that Iger is back so hopefully we see some actual competition between the two.

 

[ManaByte]

I hope they don’t make Supergirl too edgy. I get the idea of making her different from Clark, but in the New 52 when I saw they were making her so edgy she flat out became a Red Lantern, I was all:

This isn’t the edgy New 52 Supergirl. It’s the Tom King Supergirl from last year who’s just more jaded than Clark.

 

[FunkMiller]

The only reason The Brave And The Bold is happening is this:

 

[Doom85]

This isn’t the edgy New 52 Supergirl. It’s the Tom King Supergirl from last year who’s just more jaded than Clark.

Yeah, I saw the comic just now and it seems like it was well liked. Might check it out sometime.

 

[ManaByte]

The only reason The Brave And The Bold is happening is this:

But will they have the balls to kill Damian in the DCU?

 

[Doom85]

But will they have the balls to kill Damian in the DCU?

I mean, he came back to life in the comics anyway, and IIRC Morrison didn’t even want to do it initially or something like that, but it felt like the higher-ups were giving Scott Snyder so much sway on where Batman was in his life that Morrison felt he couldn’t give Batman the upbeat ending he wanted. Which really sucks given how many years Morrison had been writing the character.

I might be remembering a bunch of that wrong, but I do definitely remember Morrison not being satisfied with how his final arc turned out.

But hey, Morrison still did deliver some great and definitely unique Batman stories, and hell arguably the best Superman comic ever made.

 

[ManaByte]

I mean, he came back to life in the comics anyway, and IIRC Morrison didn’t even want to do it initially or something like that, but it felt like the higher-ups were giving Scott Snyder so much sway on where Batman was in his life that Morrison felt he couldn’t give Batman the upbeat ending he wanted. Which really sucks given how many years Morrison had been writing the character.

I might be remembering a bunch of that wrong, but I do definitely remember Morrison not being satisfied with how his final arc turned out.

But hey, Morrison still did deliver some great and definitely unique Batman stories, and hell arguably the best Superman comic ever made.

I read it was always his intention to introduce Damian, make people hate him and then love him and then kill him.

 

[ReBurn]

When did Gunn become a 100 year old man? Not age shaming, just surprised to see his signature wacky hair all white.

Your hair gets weirder the farther removed from reality you become

 

[Doom85]

I read it was always his intention to introduce Damian, make people hate him and then love him and then kill him.

Huh, possibly. Maybe it was just the final issue that was supposed to play out different, since Damien dies in #8 and Inc. ended on #12 IIRC. I definitely remember Morrison was unhappy about something of his story feeling he had to change to line up with where Scott Snyder was taking the main Batman book. And I’m not trying to shit on Snyder, it’s just an unfortunate issue always with DC/Marvel comics that different writers can have different ideas that neither are necessarily bad but someone will ultimately get their way one way or the other.

 

[bitbydeath]

Your hair gets weirder the farther removed from reality you become

 

[ReBurn]

See what I mean? He's the reason we don't have spaceships

 

[DeafTourette]

Its a reboot. He is back to being a teen/young adult.

False

 

[Jinzo Prime]

This seems impenetrable for normies.

This has to flop right?

They said the same thing about Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Reading the movie synopsis, looks pretty good.
While Marvel carves out comedy as their genre, DC is trying to paint "the world is fucked up and grim" as their template. Possibly reaction to Joker and sorts. I am excited for these movies.

 

[gothmog]

Reading the movie synopsis, looks pretty good.
While Marvel carves out comedy as their genre, DC is trying to paint "the world is fucked up and grim" as their template. Possibly reaction to Joker and sorts. I am excited for these movies.

Has Gunn ever done anything serious? I think we're getting comedy in the DCU as well.

 

[mcjmetroid]

At this stage I'm really shocked anyone could care about this.

What do you spose you're going to see in a new Superman movie or batman movie that hasn't been done a million times before and that's if it's done right.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Has Gunn ever done anything serious? I think we're getting comedy in the DCU as well.

At this stage I'm really shocked anyone could care about this.

What do you spose you're going to see in a new Superman movie or batman movie that hasn't been done a million times before and that's if it's done right.

The answer is already present.

Gunn is currently writing the screenplay, and Safran is hopeful the filmmaker will also direct the DC movie. Set to come out on July 11, 2025, Superman: Legacy will not be an origin story but will focus on Clark's struggle to balance his superhero life with his human one. The story will also explore Superman being a beacon of kindness in a world that believes kindness is old-fashioned.

The Batman movie :
This will be a Batman and Robin story with a new star set to play the Dark Knight. Robert Pattinson and Ben Affleck will, therefore not be starring in this film. Based on Grant Morrison's Batman run, the story sees Bruce discovering that Damian Wayne is his son. Taught to be an assassin, Bruce must now raise Damian under his wing. The Brave and the Bold will also feature other members of the Bat-family. It was not revealed if they have decided which actors will play them, or if DC Studios will even use stars that have been used previously

 

[BadBurger]

I think I am most excited at a proper comics version of Batman. Every take, even the bonkers Burton films, were largely grounded.

 

[mcjmetroid]

The answer is already present.

Gunn is currently writing the screenplay, and Safran is hopeful the filmmaker will also direct the DC movie. Set to come out on July 11, 2025, Superman: Legacy will not be an origin story but will focus on Clark's struggle to balance his superhero life with his human one. The story will also explore Superman being a beacon of kindness in a world that believes kindness is old-fashioned.

The Batman movie :
This will be a Batman and Robin story with a new star set to play the Dark Knight. Robert Pattinson and Ben Affleck will, therefore not be starring in this film. Based on Grant Morrison's Batman run, the story sees Bruce discovering that Damian Wayne is his son. Taught to be an assassin, Bruce must now raise Damian under his wing. The Brave and the Bold will also feature other members of the Bat-family. It was not revealed if they have decided which actors will play them, or if DC Studios will even use stars that have been used previously

But . Aren't you bored of comic book heroes at this stage in movies?
It's been nearly 20 years of it at this stage and I applaud then for lasting this long but.. I don't know let's move onto the next big thing?

Top gun Maverick has shown quite clearly people want to see traditional action movies again.

 

[OZ9000]

Just make it dark.

I thought his Justice League cut was superb. And I also think Batman v Superman is an incredibly underrated movie.

 

[Shubh_C63]

But . Aren't you bored of comic book heroes at this stage in movies?
It's been nearly 20 years of it at this stage and I applaud then for lasting this long but.. I don't know let's move onto the next big thing?

Top gun Maverick has shown quite clearly people want to see traditional action movies again.

lol Oh yeah, my "excitement" for these movies is very perfunctory in nature. But I will sooner or later definitely watch them even to just critic them on internet.

 

[FunkMiller]

But . Aren't you bored of comic book heroes at this stage in movies?
It's been nearly 20 years of it at this stage and I applaud then for lasting this long but.. I don't know let's move onto the next big thing?

Top gun Maverick has shown quite clearly people want to see traditional action movies again.

I feel like 2023 is the year the ass is going to drop out of the superhero genre.

 

[ManaByte]

Just make it dark.

I thought his Justice League cut was superb. And I also think Batman v Superman is an incredibly underrated movie.

Superman isn’t meant to be dark.

 

[OZ9000]

Superman isn’t meant to be dark.

Just referring to the general tone of the DC movies - which I much prefer to Marvel. I liked Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League (Snyder Edit). However Suicide Squad (Remake) was very well done.

There is far too much comic relief and poor attempts at slapstick comedy in the Marvel movies. There is also a big emphasis in using child actors in supporting roles. I do not like it one bit.

 

[ManaByte]

Just referring to the general tone of the DC movies - which I much prefer to Marvel. I liked Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League (Snyder Edit). However Suicide Squad (Remake) was very well done.

There is far too much comic relief and poor attempts at slapstick comedy in the Marvel movies. There is also a big emphasis in using child actors in supporting roles. I do not like it one bit.

Again, these guys understand what Superman is 100%. He’s not dark.

“Superman represents truth, justice and the American way. He is kindness in a world that thinks of kindness as old fashioned.”

 

[OZ9000]

Again, these guys understand what Superman is 100%. He’s not dark.

“Superman represents truth, justice and the American way. He is kindness in a world that thinks of kindness as old fashioned.”

As long as they don't produce a comedy or forced humour/shit jokes that are ubiquitous in Marvel movies. Keep it grounded and realistic.

 

[ManaByte]

James Mangold doing Swamp Thing?

 

[BadBurger]

James Mangold doing Swamp Thing?

Big, throbbing, and pulsating if true.