HashtagLapsed
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The House in Fata Morgana has the best soundtrack, damn it.
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January Wrasslin' |OT| Big Month John
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Disagree Guy
Member
Is it just me or has everyone else completely lost interest in the UK tournament after seeing that line up?
Dark Ninja
Member
I think I know Goldberg's Wrestlemania opponent.
"Roman Reigns" won the UpUpDownDown FIFA 17 Tournament!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRSCum5E2SA
Find out the reason why he chose that name, fucking shooting hahaha
shanafan
Member
After Raw went off the air, Undertaker came out and chokeslammed Jericho and Owens.
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Night_s_WWE_RAW_Goes_Off_the_Air_Videos.html
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe..._Night_s_WWE_RAW_Goes_Off_the_Air_Videos.html
British Monsoon
Member
The line-up's far from stacked, but I expect it to be a good show regardless and would imagine that most WWE fans are going into this without any real knowledge of the competitors.
wild wild rice
Member
Sweet, kind of excited for Shibata/Ospreay.
Am I the only one who is grossed out by Juice Robinson. He's a white guy with dreads, rainbow undies and his name is Juice. Just makes my skin crawl. Am I being irrational, friends?
Edit: Jericho is the US Champ? I can only imagine the fuckery they concocted to allow that to happen. Plus, guess the big dog is free of that burden and ready to reclaim what is wrongfully his.
HashtagLapsed
Member
I kind of feel you about Juice, mate. But for whatever reason, he has actually been entertaining me in a lot of his recent matches, in a way I really didn't expect. And now for NJPW to be putting him against Goto, it seems so fucking weird but I am kinda curious to see where this goes.
Skeletos311
Junior Member
Rest in peace. Hmhuu.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
I can't help but feel WWE is going to fuck up Tommy End seeing as how bad they're fucking up CWC.
The problem with Owen's is we're getting too much of him now. Too much of anyone is a bad thing. The difference between now and Attitude Era is simple: AE was always different, the promos now are the same god damn thing over and over.
I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that even though WWE has better wrestlers than 10 years ago, the product itself is just something completely different than what I want. It's weekly soap / sitcom, geared toward lowest common denominator story telling (both in and out of the ring).
I gotta be honest, Smackdown isn't much different from RAW. It's only getting so much praise because it has the lesser of the annoying group of wrestlers. RAW has all the people fans are burnt out on. Smackdown is definitely more enjoyable but lets not act like it's a revolution of product.
The problem with Owen's is we're getting too much of him now. Too much of anyone is a bad thing. The difference between now and Attitude Era is simple: AE was always different, the promos now are the same god damn thing over and over.
I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that even though WWE has better wrestlers than 10 years ago, the product itself is just something completely different than what I want. It's weekly soap / sitcom, geared toward lowest common denominator story telling (both in and out of the ring).
I gotta be honest, Smackdown isn't much different from RAW. It's only getting so much praise because it has the lesser of the annoying group of wrestlers. RAW has all the people fans are burnt out on. Smackdown is definitely more enjoyable but lets not act like it's a revolution of product.
wild wild rice
Member
Hey, if the dude proves himself to be a good wrestler, I can get over my weird repulsion.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Rusev is seriously the diamond in a pile of shit.
whatevermort
Member
The best moment on Raw was Karl Anderson's commentary. "We've been in Japan. I have a hot Japanese wife!" Also, Rusev remains gold, even in such a shitfest of a segment.
The rest of it was the worst Raw I have seen in a very long time. Didn't enjoy any segment, really. Protecting Roman is just fucking ridiculous at this point - and the booking is so obvious I'm actually dreading that match at the Rumble. (I'm assuming Jericho is in the cage with the belt on, and he'll drop it, and KO will use it as a weapon and STILL Roman will kick out, thus shitting further on the belt he's been shitting on for months already.)
And Seth? I'm not as jaded as some of you about his style of matches, mainly because at least something happens in them, which is more than I can say about much of the rest of Raw - but he's fucked. They clearly don't know what to do with him, and there's no sense in not having had Triple H come out already.
Right now, I'm assuming Triple H is entering the Rumble as well, and we're going to see all the feuds play out with none of them winning the rumble itself. So Brock and Goldberg take each other out, Trips and Seth, Taker and Strowman (it looks like, even though rumour had Taker fighting Cena at Mania), and then somebody else winning.
Oh, and unless Sami Zayn booked this week off for some reason (medical rest, wedding, funeral, whatever), he's fucked. Not appearing the week after he's been destroyed but stayed almost looking okay against a monster? Fucked.
The rest of it was the worst Raw I have seen in a very long time. Didn't enjoy any segment, really. Protecting Roman is just fucking ridiculous at this point - and the booking is so obvious I'm actually dreading that match at the Rumble. (I'm assuming Jericho is in the cage with the belt on, and he'll drop it, and KO will use it as a weapon and STILL Roman will kick out, thus shitting further on the belt he's been shitting on for months already.)
And Seth? I'm not as jaded as some of you about his style of matches, mainly because at least something happens in them, which is more than I can say about much of the rest of Raw - but he's fucked. They clearly don't know what to do with him, and there's no sense in not having had Triple H come out already.
Right now, I'm assuming Triple H is entering the Rumble as well, and we're going to see all the feuds play out with none of them winning the rumble itself. So Brock and Goldberg take each other out, Trips and Seth, Taker and Strowman (it looks like, even though rumour had Taker fighting Cena at Mania), and then somebody else winning.
Oh, and unless Sami Zayn booked this week off for some reason (medical rest, wedding, funeral, whatever), he's fucked. Not appearing the week after he's been destroyed but stayed almost looking okay against a monster? Fucked.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
You know, I watched New Years Dash again last night, and it's really impressive how well the suzuki-gun angle was done
-teams were beat up after WK and even more after their NYD match
-suzuki-gun come out and beat up everyone
-okada starts a one man comeback
-suzuki takes him down himself
-suzuki injures okada's bad neck
So you end with okada looking great in defeat, suzuki looking like a threat because in the end he took out okada himself, but he focused on an injury okada already has to get heel heat.
I dunno, maybe it just seems impressive in comparison to what wwf do these days.
-teams were beat up after WK and even more after their NYD match
-suzuki-gun come out and beat up everyone
-okada starts a one man comeback
-suzuki takes him down himself
-suzuki injures okada's bad neck
So you end with okada looking great in defeat, suzuki looking like a threat because in the end he took out okada himself, but he focused on an injury okada already has to get heel heat.
I dunno, maybe it just seems impressive in comparison to what wwf do these days.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
As an aside, New Beginning in Sapporo will have English commentary, however no word on the Osaka show (probably not).
This card excites me, although I'm not a fan of Yano/Ishii vs. KES being made into a 3-way (though GBH wasn't pinned and thus are owed a title match) and the fact that there are two of them makes it obvious one will be a title change. YOSHI-HASHI vs. Iizuka is a match I actually find quite interesting, even though it won't be any good, but it will probably just re-introduce Iizuka's wildman persona. Also excited to see Kanemaru in NJPW in an obvious showcase match for him and Despy given Kawato is in the match.
Also interesting - as expected, no Bullet Club involvement. I'm fine with this, as it continues the question of what is next for the group and allows for Suzuki-Gun to be re-introduced as a heel threat, before BC is slowly slid back in.
To pick winners for the title matches:
TAKA and Taichi
Goto
Yano/Ishii
Suzuki
LIJ
Ospreay
KES
Hiromu
Naito
Nocturnowl
Member
I was still awake in the early hours to witness the opening match of Raw live and it really summed things up perfectly.
We have an actually FRESH match up between Rollins and Braun, a rarity these days but hang on, how can we fifty/fifty book such an encounter.
The moment Rollins climbed to the top rope, well it was clear how they'd manage this, keep them equal with a count out finish, GENIUS!
Even then they botch this further, if you really want to try and protect both guys surely you have Rollins hit his dive, send them both barrelling over the barricade, Braun manages to get up first because he's a MONSTER and staggers towards the ring arriving too late thus is suitably pissed off.
Instead WWE takes the illogical route, Braun dodges the move, spends a good 10 seconds wheezing away and then decides to try and carry a deadweight Seth back into the ring only to get double counted out because he apparently forgot two rules, one is that he could just win by count out himself or two, if he really wanted to beat the man properly he could just restart the count himself.
But nope, RAW logic strikes.
You may say "owl that's way too much fantasy booking for a meaningless segment" and you'd be partly right, except it's not even fantasy, it's just simple wrestling logic surely.
Only thing I stopped for when fast forwarding through the remainder of the show an hour ago was DA UNDAHTAKAH who delivered a cookie cutter Taker promo as expected but at least gave use whatever that wonderful grumble sound was. I'm totally okay though with Taker winning the rumble and Cena beating AJ so I can finally have that damn Cena/Taker match....with Cena wins lol.
We have an actually FRESH match up between Rollins and Braun, a rarity these days but hang on, how can we fifty/fifty book such an encounter.
The moment Rollins climbed to the top rope, well it was clear how they'd manage this, keep them equal with a count out finish, GENIUS!
Even then they botch this further, if you really want to try and protect both guys surely you have Rollins hit his dive, send them both barrelling over the barricade, Braun manages to get up first because he's a MONSTER and staggers towards the ring arriving too late thus is suitably pissed off.
Instead WWE takes the illogical route, Braun dodges the move, spends a good 10 seconds wheezing away and then decides to try and carry a deadweight Seth back into the ring only to get double counted out because he apparently forgot two rules, one is that he could just win by count out himself or two, if he really wanted to beat the man properly he could just restart the count himself.
But nope, RAW logic strikes.
You may say "owl that's way too much fantasy booking for a meaningless segment" and you'd be partly right, except it's not even fantasy, it's just simple wrestling logic surely.
Only thing I stopped for when fast forwarding through the remainder of the show an hour ago was DA UNDAHTAKAH who delivered a cookie cutter Taker promo as expected but at least gave use whatever that wonderful grumble sound was. I'm totally okay though with Taker winning the rumble and Cena beating AJ so I can finally have that damn Cena/Taker match....with Cena wins lol.
wild wild rice
Member
Hmm...why no English commentary for Osaka? Not that I really really mind. I've been listening to the English commentary to help me get acquianted with the wrestlers.
One thing that bugs me is when the music cuts out to some generic shit due to licensing issues because usually the real music is pretty badass.
HashtagLapsed
Member
I agree. There is reason for GBH to be there but at the same time, at this point it feels kinda overbooked. But whatever.
I'm sure they will both be great shows.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Meltz says the 11th feb event has english commentary too.
Skeletos311
Junior Member
I don't get why he is stuck in shitty angles and hanging out with Jinder. Is he still being punished for ruining the shitty Dolph angle? Let it go, Vince! He loves Lana!
slightconfuse
Banned
I think I know Goldberg's Wrestlemania opponent.
when is this from?
So people think Suzuki really has a shot at winning? I'd keep the title on Okada but I guess it would be a pretty Gedo move to switch after that main event. I guess you could tell the story of Okada being weakened after such an epic battle and Suzuki, the veteran shooter exploiting that mercilessly.
I think I know Goldberg's Wrestlemania opponent.
You can hear him thinking : "NEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSS"
all the way from your computer
Sir_Crocodile
Member
As long as Okada has it when Omega comes back, I don't mind if Suzuki gets it for a short stint.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Because that's where he works. He works best with his comedy angles and people who can work that with him. Those guys tend to be in the mid-card area.
Jinder is an underrated part of the best act on RAW.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Wait till Kurt shows up at the Rumble
And Taker eliminates him
And Taker eliminates him
Cena will win!
I don't think anyone's ever said Smackdown is changing the game or anything. At least, not here on Gaf.
I look at Smackdown as a case of "if you can't do something different, just do the same ol thing really effectively." I think SD loses out on overall match quality, but it's also just generally a better paced and written show. Not perfect by any means, but not the total mess Raw often is.
I do agree that Smackdown's roster is more appealing at the moment. But I don't feel like I'm burnt out on Raw's group so much as they've been used so poorly I just can't care as much anymore.
I mean, look at what they've done to Sami Zayn. Damn shame how that went down.
Smackdown has consistent weekly storytelling for nearly all of their feuds, everything progresses in some way or another. And it's an hour shorter. The writing and length of show make the key difference. Both are huge problems on RAW. RAW has some of my favorite workers and it's still completely unwatchable to me, the few times I attempt to just skim-watch through it, I don't even make it to the end.
Nocturnowl
Member
Smackdown basically has the WWE formula down to a decent degree that made the attitude era period actually engaging, and no I don't mean the stuff like smut and violence.
I mean that it feels like everyone on the show has a role and gets a decent amount of time to build their feuds, yeah the matches ain't always the best and the talent level is all over the place but it works.
I guess watching Foley hobble down the ramp prior created a unique WWE legend comparison point.
My mum's laptop was telling her it was the 5th of December while I was sitting through Taker's promo, she made a joke about going back in time.
And I just had to respond with "well I'm currently watching Raw with Taker, Foley and Steph in the ring so we might have gone back to 2000"
She actually used to watch Raw with me back then, because it was actually good you see, mother Owl likes the Taker.
I mean that it feels like everyone on the show has a role and gets a decent amount of time to build their feuds, yeah the matches ain't always the best and the talent level is all over the place but it works.
I guess watching Foley hobble down the ramp prior created a unique WWE legend comparison point.
My mum's laptop was telling her it was the 5th of December while I was sitting through Taker's promo, she made a joke about going back in time.
And I just had to respond with "well I'm currently watching Raw with Taker, Foley and Steph in the ring so we might have gone back to 2000"
She actually used to watch Raw with me back then, because it was actually good you see, mother Owl likes the Taker.
I'm a bit jelly, my mother has always viewed wrestling as pure smut and trash garbage. But she ain't wrong.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Are you watching it with Japanese commentary?
funkystudent
Member
We are a few years into thinking "I really hope Undertaker doesn't hurt himself" before every Undertaker match.
I hope he shows up super late in the Rumble.
So .... Cena vrs Taker is happening?
I hope he shows up super late in the Rumble.
So .... Cena vrs Taker is happening?
Nocturnowl
Member
If it makes you feel any better my old man has so much crushing disappointment for my enjoyment of the wrasslin'.
Then again he hates everything, miserable fella he is.
Actually even he liked The Rock, that's just how much charisma Rock has.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
probably
which leads me to wonder what AJ's doing....unless cena/taker ends up being a career match instead. not like they need the title to be on the line.
wild wild rice
Member
In case you haven't heard and/or haven't already seen them, the three matches preceeding the main event are must see as well.
I've already watched the entire rest of the card. Really great show even with out the best match watched yet. Just getting going now with Okada/Omega.
Nah, English.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Undertaker is boring and his DARKSIDE TO THE RUMBLE thing was just corny as hell
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Yeah, imo the last 4 matches of wk could all be main events anywhere.
Ah. Kelly & Corino do great detail work, but I just love how excited the Japanese commentators get. It's just like the good old days.