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Japanese Mobile Gacha Games: Gatcha hand on your wallet and I'm never letting go!

Saprol

Member
Also number 4 is "nice". So often getting 3 when betting High :p. Btw whats worth to grab with Medals? Aim for 2500k or something else? Its not like I have the medals near future, just curious.

The most important stuff is the AP/BP items, then golden anima for the element that you're farming. The 500k silver bar is useful for LBing things where you can't find more copies. The purple hexagon is nice for skill leveling.

If you ever feel like it, you could farm 10 million to get the max level wind summon.
 

Azusa

Member
I play casino only to get daily 5 1/2AP and 10BP. Every day.

I guess hard is the 25AP one? I have cleared all 3 times but extreme isn't unlocked. Do I have to clear normal too?

I think you have to be rank 50. I'm not sure.

50AP magna will appear on the 1st island. You will also need 3 golden anima to summon it.
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I play casino only to get daily 5 1/2AP and 10BP. Every day.



I think you have to be rank 50. I'm not sure.

50AP magna will appear on the 1st island. You will also need 3 golden anima to summon it.

You don't need to be rank 50, I think just having the animas, at least 50 max AP and beaten a hard mode you've hosted are the requirements.
 

Rixa

Member
I play casino only to get daily 5 1/2AP and 10BP. Every day.
Oh :eek:. That's something I will do too, good usage of Medals to change for AP & BP.
Also thanks for the Start Dash doc. I picked Altair, before reading I tough I might grab healer.
Starter Dash doc said:
Most importantly, the game gives you not one, but two free AoE healers, with one of them (Catalina) being one of the best free characters in the game. If you can't clear the early content with that, buying what is basically a crutch is not advised. That said, AoE healers do have their use in the late game, it's just that you don't have to chase after them.
Free healer yea nice :p.
 

aitakute

Member
I see. So it is on a different island after all.
Anyway, I guess it's finally time for me to move on with the story now that the even has finished.
 
You'll get other units later on to hopefully build another element, just don't put all your eggs into the dark basket. That is, unless you're hellbent on making it work out and are willing to shell out money for start dashes and a few surprise tickets if luck doesn't favor you in the gacha. It's still a long wait regardless of the way you want to tackle it, so just settle in and start rounding out your SR and SSR weapon pools with as much good stuff as possible.

One thing to know, SR units can be real useful, so any event units should be grabbed, even if it's just to fill in the blanks. They'll hold down the fort as you look for SSRs to replace them for their respective element.

One last thing, Narumea can still help you a lot early on, even without a great weapon pool or going mainly dark thanks to the Order Grande summon, so pick that as your support friend summon when you want to hit stuff hard in story or events. Just make sure your main party has 3 different elements in them, so you can keep her damage bonus.

I understood half the thing you've said lol, I still don't know what to do with weapons and stuff.
For the events, I clicked on the "frosty" one, but there's only a page for a gatcha for the event and no way to partecipate, how does that work?
edit: reading the date, maybe it isn't started yet?

edit2: it changed.
Now I have this. What do I choose?
 

kiryogi

Banned
I understood half the thing you've said lol, I still don't know what to do with weapons and stuff.
For the events, I clicked on the "frosty" one, but there's only a page for a gatcha for the event and no way to partecipate, how does that work?
edit: reading the date, maybe it isn't started yet?

edit2: it changed. Now I have this. What do I choose?

Click on the Left black button to go mission select for those summons. Meanwhile what to choose. . . Hard to say since you don't have much to build around but Narumeia right? In that case aim for Diabolos and at least get some dark, unless you have plans for Water or Earth

Good god how much I've grown in 1 month. Struggling to clear Calow on hard and barely vhard. Same for Ifrit. I can auto attack Diabolos on Vhard now. Or he's a joke. XD
 

aitakute

Member
Good god how much I've grown in 1 month. Struggling to clear Calow on hard and barely vhard. Same for Ifrit. I can auto attack Diabolos on Vhard now. Or he's a joke. XD

I feel the same. I was surprised when I try the bosses this time. I was like, what the hell?
 

kiryogi

Banned
lol fucking RIP, the Diabolos weapons are all HP up.

In other news, made Diabolos extreme my bitch so hard. I actually blasted the orb so hard when I got to that phase, he did his auto ougi. Feel good! Wonder how I'll do against the other two. And man, all dem drops.

edit: Cocytus extreme also downed

Funniest thing is, the trash mobs give me more issues than the bosses. That Ice skeleton before him kinda threw me off.

edit 2: Fuck the mushroom mobs before Earth Summon.

edit 3: All 3 extremes down! I have grown. But seriously, fuck the trash mobs.


So apparently, of the three, only Earth has Atk UP, I guess I know what I'm doing after I MLB Diabolos.
 
Click on the Left black button to go mission select for those summons. Meanwhile what to choose. . . Hard to say since you don't have much to build around but Narumeia right? In that case aim for Diabolos and at least get some dark, unless you have plans for Water or Earth

Good god how much I've grown in 1 month. Struggling to clear Calow on hard and barely vhard. Same for Ifrit. I can auto attack Diabolos on Vhard now. Or he's a joke. XD

Thanks I'll check it out later.
I need help about what to do with the weapons. I've read the guide that explains how you can level them up and stuff, but I don't know which I should upgrade. I have the storage 50/50 full of weapons, and I don't know what to do with them. I don't even know how to equip them to characters!
 

kiryogi

Banned
Thanks I'll check it out later.
I need help about what to do with the weapons. I've read the guide that explains how you can level them up and stuff, but I don't know which I should upgrade. I have the storage 50/50 full of weapons, and I don't know what to do with them. I don't even know how to equip them to characters!

Hrrm.

So go to your MyPage, and click on the top blue diamond on the left to get to your status screen. Next click on the middle blue button with the axe and sword to access your weapon pool. This is where you equip/gear up your characters. (The right most button is your summon pool)
. If you click on the big blue button beneath the weapons, that will optimize your weapon pool for what's best suited for your class at the time. Go ahead do so now since you're just starting off.

Now in terms of what you should grade, i'd just start feeding those N's into your SSR/SR/R weapons that you are using. Weapons that are currently in your pool are the items with the Red banner on them in the upper left.

Once you start getting more characters/SSR/SR weapons, then read this guide to learn the incredibly intricate meta of the Weapon pools

http://gbf-english.proboards.com/thread/595/weapon-summon-optimisation-progression
 
Hrrm.

So go to your MyPage, and click on the top blue diamond on the left to get to your status screen. Next click on the middle blue button with the axe and sword to access your weapon pool. This is where you equip/gear up your characters. (The right most button is your summon pool)
. If you click on the big blue button beneath the weapons, that will optimize your weapon pool for what's best suited for your class at the time. Go ahead do so now since you're just starting off.

Now in terms of what you should grade, i'd just start feeding those N's into your SSR/SR/R weapons that you are using. Weapons that are currently in your pool are the items with the Red banner on them in the upper left.

Once you start getting more characters/SSR/SR weapons, then read this guide to learn the incredibly intricate meta of the Weapon pools

http://gbf-english.proboards.com/thread/595/weapon-summon-optimisation-progression

Thanks! I did the otpimize-thing. How does the weapons work? I see that there's a main weapon, and from what I understand it's the most powerful weapon that your character can wield with his current class (with the element you choose from the optimize option). But what about the other weapons in the screen? I mean the other 9, what do they do? It seems that the sum of their HP and Attack is what you get in the total. So the main weapon is only a matter of which element your main will use?
 

Azusa

Member
I recommend to farm a bit and get at least 1 copy of each summon if you don't have anything better.

Also don't forget that you can exchange for 2 1/2AP pots every day. Its the only one item that resets daily. All other items are restocked with increased price.
 

muu

Member
Schvalier Sword Magna so OP it's not even funny. Combined w/ SSR Feri it can compete or replace Siete/Petra/whatever wind combo
 

muu

Member
What's so OP about it? I've just gotten one more copy of it when entered a wrong room by mistake

Not the SR sword, but the new one that's just been added (SSR).

It's got two skills:

Kikai Houjin: Kamui -- ATK+ (small) / HP+ (small)
Hikari no Koujin -- light ATK+ (small)

regular atk+ small is +10% at slv10, Kamui is a new skill and it's also been confirmed to be +10%. ATK+ (Large) is +15% at slv10, so just looking at that you'd think there's a 5% advantage, but since multipliers add in their respective areas and then are multiplied, the difference is even greater. This is a super simplified ver of the actual formula but basically you're looking at something to the ilk of:

DMG multiplier = (1+Houjin("Magna")skill) * (1+regular atkup) * (1 + Unknown)

One +15% magna weap will allow you to have 1*1.15=1.15 multiplier, with Kamui it becomes 1.1 * 1.1 = 1.21. Say you have 5 of each weap, now you're looking at 1*(1+.15*5) = 1*1.75=1.75 vs (1+.1*5)*(1+.1*5)=1.5*1.5=2.25. Oh, did I mention that you get a +10% boost to your HP for each sword?

The current ideal formula calls for ~1 standard weap / 1 bahamut weap / 1~2 Unknown / 6~7 Magna weaps, the new formula w/ the Schvalier weaps you will have 8-10 magna swords and a couple Unknowns and end up w/ a multiplier that's significantly higher than the current theoretical ideal, and an even bigger boost if you happen to have Zeus. You also end up w/ nearly double HP. Welcome to GBF, where game balance is secondary to developer favoritism and nothing gets playtested.
 
I think the reception to Alice Order was pretty tepid here but if anyone else is playing my ID is 965 841 802 (name says "Friday" in katakana). Haven't joined a regiment yet, was waiting to see what was going on in the Facebook group.

Not sure why I've taken such a shining to it but it's just my speed right now.
(all your talk about GBF and my attempts to try it have my head spinning)

Related I'm currently logging into 15 of these damn things a night collecting the login bonuses. I've managed to parlay it into bonding time with my 3 year who I let tap the screens. But man what void inside me am I trying to fill with this crap? :)
 

Rixa

Member
I have 333 those silver(?) valor shields (0 golds). Should I grab something from valor shop and if yes, what?
And where is the place to grab those 2 1/2 AP pots?

Edit: Thanks muu.
 

muu

Member
hello cygames i would like something that isn't like colossus katana next time

I'm just waiting for the new dark element magna weap to be complete junk. Good thing that's one of my weakest elements.

I have 333 those silver(?) valor shields (0 golds). Should I grab something from valor shop and if yes, what?
And where is the place to grab those 2 1/2 AP pots?

Save 5000 and get Schvalier Sword Magna.
 
Bingo is RNG. Basically you hope for a bingo within 9 tries to make a profit.

Yeah, new events. Refer to this guide about this type of events: http://gbf-english.proboards.com/thread/263/diablos

What are your strats? I'm currently considering whether it's good or not to jump from betting 10,000 at the 10-man table to 20,000 at the 20-man table.

Should I do it? I've been rather succesful by starting with a bet of 100 and gradually increasing it once I felt like I had enough chips to keep looping but I'm not sure if the bigger table will really cut on my profits.
 

Azusa

Member
So far I always betting 10 000. It's fine.

I need to find time to push it higher and buy wind summon but a few 100k wins are enough to buy AP pots.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Did they change account creation for GBF? The directions aren't the same and I'm not able to reroll because it's tied to a Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc account. Can you not make guest accts anymore?
 

Yaari

Member
I had the worst luck with Bingo. Went back to Poker. It's not as quick but I'm more certain I'll actually make a profit.

Anyway thanks for the Event link. I only seem to be able to complete it on Normal for now. It's a pretty difficult stage for me unfortunately.
 

kiryogi

Banned
Not the SR sword, but the new one that's just been added (SSR).

It's got two skills:

Kikai Houjin: Kamui -- ATK+ (small) / HP+ (small)
Hikari no Koujin -- light ATK+ (small)

regular atk+ small is +10% at slv10, Kamui is a new skill and it's also been confirmed to be +10%. ATK+ (Large) is +15% at slv10, so just looking at that you'd think there's a 5% advantage, but since multipliers add in their respective areas and then are multiplied, the difference is even greater. This is a super simplified ver of the actual formula but basically you're looking at something to the ilk of:

DMG multiplier = (1+Houjin("Magna")skill) * (1+regular atkup) * (1 + Unknown)

One +15% magna weap will allow you to have 1*1.15=1.15 multiplier, with Kamui it becomes 1.1 * 1.1 = 1.21. Say you have 5 of each weap, now you're looking at 1*(1+.15*5) = 1*1.75=1.75 vs (1+.1*5)*(1+.1*5)=1.5*1.5=2.25. Oh, did I mention that you get a +10% boost to your HP for each sword?

The current ideal formula calls for ~1 standard weap / 1 bahamut weap / 1~2 Unknown / 6~7 Magna weaps, the new formula w/ the Schvalier weaps you will have 8-10 magna swords and a couple Unknowns and end up w/ a multiplier that's significantly higher than the current theoretical ideal, and an even bigger boost if you happen to have Zeus. You also end up w/ nearly double HP. Welcome to GBF, where game balance is secondary to developer favoritism and nothing gets playtested.

But you need Chev SSR summon to take advantage right ?
 
Did they change account creation for GBF? The directions aren't the same and I'm not able to reroll because it's tied to a Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc account. Can you not make guest accts anymore?

Are you going off the ultimate guide? That one is a little out of date, same with the video people link to show rerolling using a yahoo account.

The idiot's guide and the wiki have more updated methods of rerolling.


But you need Chev SSR summon to take advantage right ?

If you have enough swords to pull this off, you should have a few MLB summons on hand as well.
 

muu

Member
But you need Chev SSR summon to take advantage right ?

By the time you have your first maxed out Chev Gun/Sword you'll easily have maxed out the summon. Any extras you get you'll be turning into Elements so you can do the final limit break on your gun/sword.

The ideal weapon count will be different depending on whether you're maining chev magna, lucifer or Zeus. In any of those cases you're still looking at significantly greater max damage by swapping out a few guns for swords. I haven't done the exact math so I don't know final values, if you're curious you can definitely whip something up in Excel and get a definitive answer. These three will remain endgame viable regardless.
 

PepperedHam

Member
So while I wait for Granblue to hit NA what are some good gachas that play primarily vertically? I'm playing a few that flip the screen horizontally but sometimes I like to just one hand these things.
 

ponpo

( ≖‿≖)
So while I wait for Granblue to hit NA what are some good gachas that play primarily vertically? I'm playing a few that flip the screen horizontally but sometimes I like to just one hand these things.

Play battle girls highschool. Better than granbad.
 

Rixa

Member
Wondering how hard it will be to use BP when English texts will come to GBF, now I seem to have difficulties to burn BP and Iam trying to fast as possible.
- Click high level multibattle
- Choose first summon from list
- Click ok (or whatever those buttons are) as fast as you can
- Try to toss summon
Too late try again... Surprisingly hard to leech on multibattles :p.
 

Rotnems

Neo Member
So while I wait for Granblue to hit NA what are some good gachas that play primarily vertically? I'm playing a few that flip the screen horizontally but sometimes I like to just one hand these things.

You could try out Dragon Heroes. It's a bullet hell with a gacha system.
 

aitakute

Member
Wondering how hard it will be to use BP when English texts will come to GBF, now I seem to have difficulties to burn BP and Iam trying to fast as possible.
- Click high level multibattle
- Choose first summon from list
- Click ok (or whatever those buttons are) as fast as you can
- Try to toss summon
Too late try again... Surprisingly hard to leech on multibattles :p.

It's not usually this hard. Because there's 1/2 BP campaign going on. 3 BP battle became 1 BP so everyone is rushing in like crazy
 

Azusa

Member
Wondering how hard it will be to use BP when English texts will come to GBF, now I seem to have difficulties to burn BP and Iam trying to fast as possible.
- Click high level multibattle
- Choose first summon from list
- Click ok (or whatever those buttons are) as fast as you can
- Try to toss summon
Too late try again... Surprisingly hard to leech on multibattles :p.

3BP raids are easy and die fast. When you join 5BP raids you have plenty of time to cast a few abilities and summon. For event raids you even have time to do several attacks and ougi attack.
 

Rixa

Member
3BP raids are easy and die fast. When you join 5BP raids you have plenty of time to cast a few abilities and summon. For event raids you even have time to do several attacks and ougi attack.

I usually try to join level 75, 5 BP multibattles and there I have those problems. But as said reason has to be that ½ cost, tho dunno why those 75 level ones are so popular (they werent last week when raid was on :p).

Do you have link "Where to get LB material" for SSR units? (I think you posted it earlier).
Nvm, Got answers from GBF ultimate guide.
 
What I'm currently doing is playing story quests and getting 50 Crystals at time. When I have the weapon pool full I feed the N into my SSR/SR. Should I keep going that way? Or there's other I'm missing?
I tried Diabolos but I can only defeat the normal one and the drops are minimum, I don't think it's worth it.
Also I'm at 850 crystals, I hope I'll be able to reach 3000 before the current event ends.
 

aitakute

Member
What I'm currently doing is playing story quests and getting 50 Crystals at time. When I have the weapon pool full I feed the N into my SSR/SR. Should I keep going that way? Or there's other I'm missing?
I tried Diabolos but I can only defeat the normal one and the drops are minimum, I don't think it's worth it.
Also I'm at 850 crystals, I hope I'll be able to reach 3000 before the current event ends.
You don't need to keep N weapons. Just feed them to whatever you like. Also what do you mean by current event? You only need those crystal for legend fes
 

Rixa

Member
You don't need to keep N weapons. Just feed them to whatever you like. Also what do you mean by current event? You only need those crystal for legend fes

I think he/she is trying to get 3k crystals to do summon todays "legend summon event" that ends 15.2.
Edit: Ok, so its real money needed.
 
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