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Jez Corden: “There is no devkit for the next Xbox right now, the whole idea of the next Xbox is that it’s a PC but in a TV friendly shell”, 2027
Schmendrick
Member
So an itx pc basically
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I'm saying this for years on GAF now lol.
But it's Jez, so it could be a complete BS.
But it's Jez, so it could be a complete BS.
Sebastian1295
Member
I don't see a market for this. The reason that consoles are successful are because people don't want to PC game and prefer the comfort and ease of use of a console. If you're now getting rid of the identity of a console by shifting towards a PC box you put in your living room then you effectively aren't even a console anymore and you've lost yourself as a brand. Xbox as a brand has absolutely 0 identity and this isn't going to help things because the market isn't going to buy this and no one is asking for this outside of like 1% of console gamers.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
"things change, Shit happens, time is linear"
-Jez Corden
-Jez Corden
Physiognomonics
Member
They built their own grave. And Sony are incredibly following the same "Future is PC" path. It's not. The easiest way is on PC, sure.
But people do like buying dedicated boxes to play their games. hence PS4, PS5 (at this price...) and Switch successes in the age of "only PC and mobile future".
But people do like buying dedicated boxes to play their games. hence PS4, PS5 (at this price...) and Switch successes in the age of "only PC and mobile future".
Astray
Member
Yep.
No console-style optimiziations, no custom hardware. I think this project will be DOA if it's like he's saying. He's even talking about the launch being @ 2027, which is 1 year away from when the PS6 is largely expected to launch. This is honestly a death knell for the project imo as it adds considerable risk of it being Dreamcasted.
I personally trust
HeisenbergFX4
, if he says it's coming then it's coming (or at least his source has no reason to think it won't). But this feels very non-committal to me.You can easily scrap an off-the-shelf parts order if there's no specific R&D happening for you there.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
That's ideal really. Its not going to sell a lot so devs aren't going to go out of their way for a specific dev kit. Everything is already on PC so it couldn't get much easier. Main thing they need is streamlined updates, mandatory controller support, and a console like system UI.
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Naked Lunch
Member
If it has my Steam library and Xbox library, im down for it.
Ogbert
Member
Yes.
Because they have no games. Spencer is the most useless video game boss in history. He’s tanked the brand.
IF and I'm saying IF this means your Steam library could potentially be installed/played on the Next Xbox, yeah, I'm super fucking down for that.
Yeah, I have my gaming PC in my room, but if I want to be on the couch and relax but then have access to all my libraries from 1 place. Easy win for gamers.
Yeah, from a Dev standpoint, this will be a lot of easier for them.
Yeah, I have my gaming PC in my room, but if I want to be on the couch and relax but then have access to all my libraries from 1 place. Easy win for gamers.
Yeah, from a Dev standpoint, this will be a lot of easier for them.
Sebastian1295
Member
If microsoft allows steam on this then they're even bigger morons then anyone could've ever imagined. The entire point of a console is to get people into your ecosystem so that you can sell them controllers, games, and use your storefront to make big profits because you're not having to give a cut to retailers and you're getting a 30% cut from third parties as well. Allowing steam on this would just mean that microsoft/xbox are going to tank their sales to the point that their would never be a profit on it and they'd lose billions of dollars.
GHG
Gold Member
They can't mandate that all PC games that release have controller support. That's not how it works.
DJ12
Member
I'm sure 3 people here will buy one, but the market will be incredibly small and it will just be an exercise in keeping Xbox as a hardware company.
Considering how they couldn't make a competition for ps5 within budget, this will be on par or worse than ps6 despite costing $500 more at launch.
Considering how they couldn't make a competition for ps5 within budget, this will be on par or worse than ps6 despite costing $500 more at launch.
onnextflix5
Member
Dam if this is true, that is the end of Xbox ,
Sebastian1295
Member
Ya that's what i'm saying tbh. The market is so small for this that i don't see anyway they'd make money off of this. And if you're not making money and are going to lose a ton of money then what's the point exactly??? This entire PC centric thing they're going for is going to bomb insanely hard.
It's pretty obvious they're pushing an SDK which has no real target and is instead an "everything is an xbox" ecosystem with gamepass/windows store. It's also why the gamepass versions of games are kind of shit too even on PC because devs are pushing versions on that SDK that differ from their main releases (on steam or elsewhere) and are usually behind in version number. Their SDK is just "no target" hardware like PC already.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Yep.
No console-style optimiziations, no custom hardware. I think this project will be DOA if it's like he's saying. He's even talking about the launch being @ 2027, which is 1 year away from when the PS6 is largely expected to launch. This is honestly a death knell for the project imo as it adds considerable risk of it being Dreamcasted.
I personally trust
You can easily scrap an off-the-shelf parts order if there's no specific R&D happening for you there.
If people want to stay in the xbox ecosystem moving forward, they're going to have to pay premium PC prices in order to do so and they might not even be getting premium PC performance in return.
I honestly don't see the market for this and wouldn't be surprised if it is scrapped altogether or shortly after launch.
You can just throw together the best AMD processor and GPU and its still not a great value buy versus PS5 Pro and it certainly won't be vs PS6. So that brings the next question do they just end up releasing new models every year or two years?
RetroGamingUK
Member
I’ve been saying this for ages but people have been in denial.
It’s basically a Windows PC that runs Windows games like any other PC
It may have BC with some Xbox games that weren’t previously available on PC
Going third party killed their console business, but they hope you buy a PC with an Xbox logo on it as opposed to a HP, Dell, Asus or Acer logo, that’s it.
And of course, they’ll sell it as a profit like all other PC vendors.
It’s basically a Windows PC that runs Windows games like any other PC
It may have BC with some Xbox games that weren’t previously available on PC
Going third party killed their console business, but they hope you buy a PC with an Xbox logo on it as opposed to a HP, Dell, Asus or Acer logo, that’s it.
And of course, they’ll sell it as a profit like all other PC vendors.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Plus no R&D costs due to parts being off-the-shelf by design. Ideal strategy of keeping things low-budget.
HRK69
Gold Member
Don't congratulate yourself just yet.
This is clearly just a rumor, unless you believe rumors are facts. But that would be a little ridiculous.
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Skifi28
Member
I don't think the new box is meant to be competition. Mostly a place to transition their existing user base and lose as little money as possible from their subscriptions instead of just pushing them all to competitors with no alternative of their own.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
The idea of these “Xbox” branded Windows PCs having the same specs is appealing here.
It may not be the most powerful Pc, but it’s an optimisation target for third parties.
Activision are tailoring the next CoD towards this spec.
There is no “dev kit” or “prototype” and there never will be, they’ll simply build a few PCs that match the planned specs and develop and test on those.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Many of us have been discussing this as a possibility. The elephant in the room for this thing is BC for existing Xbox console libraries. There are a ton of games on Xbox that are not Play Anywhere so what happens there. Same with legacy Xbox consoles BC.
Topher
Identifies as young
He is talking about a PC that runs Windows.
You need to know all the terms and features for a correct opinion, but of course (with the multiplatform bet) it is objectively the only one that would make sense and in fact the only one that could have a path or some success against a closed console with fewer games than PS6.
Offering the benefits of a console (OS, optimized hardware, desing) and PC (open to diferent Stores) at the same time could be a good hook, especially among fans of the XBOX brand (who would surely be the target users):
-The games (being a target hardware) will definitely receive better optimization. Surely there will be dedicated devkits as well.
It is assumed that the XboxStore version of a game will be better optimized than the Steam version. Or at least that is what MS should try to do so that people buy the games in its ecosystem.
-Steam catalog, Epic (PS games) XboxStore and BC Xbox
-Gamepass
It would definitely be a product that would have Third Party support assured per se regardless of its sales, which is precisely the main fear of the user.
Offering the benefits of a console (OS, optimized hardware, desing) and PC (open to diferent Stores) at the same time could be a good hook, especially among fans of the XBOX brand (who would surely be the target users):
-The games (being a target hardware) will definitely receive better optimization. Surely there will be dedicated devkits as well.
It is assumed that the XboxStore version of a game will be better optimized than the Steam version. Or at least that is what MS should try to do so that people buy the games in its ecosystem.
-Steam catalog, Epic (PS games) XboxStore and BC Xbox
-Gamepass
It would definitely be a product that would have Third Party support assured per se regardless of its sales, which is precisely the main fear of the user.
RetroGamingUK
Member
It’s a Windows PC, you can install Office and everything else on it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Before was: "wait for the tools, now is, wait for the Dev-Kit".
I don't even know what kind of narrative the Xbox's Shills are pushing.... and this is happening ar the midpoint of the generation.
They don't want the Xbox; the market doesn't want an Xbox. Everything is dependent on the library, but for 7 years, people on Xbox haven't built a library either. (GP). Just go to PC and abrace Gabe.
I don't even know what kind of narrative the Xbox's Shills are pushing.... and this is happening ar the midpoint of the generation.
They don't want the Xbox; the market doesn't want an Xbox. Everything is dependent on the library, but for 7 years, people on Xbox haven't built a library either. (GP). Just go to PC and abrace Gabe.
RetroGamingUK
Member
There’s an option for those who won’t BC with games that aren’t Play Anywhere.
It’s a called Xbox Series X and Xcloud.
Astray
Member
Any form of Xbox-led mandate (or really any form of bargaining power) is basically gone with this move. Why should anyone listen to you when you say they need to support your new controller or they need to support anything you want? They're also reducing their presence in WW markets too.
Like, have anyone ever heard of Lenovo or Asus dictating terms of peripheral support to PC game devs?
It also brings the flaws of both lol.
This thing is so DOA, I will honestly be shocked if it succeeds.
Will be very funny when it turns out that it's an Xbox OS and you can only play Xbox PC store UWPs on it.
No way imo will they ever allow Steam to monetize their audience like that. Not when that system primarily exists to keep subscribers in the ecosystem.
Sebastian1295
Member
Where's the money to be made from this exactly? Steam, Epic, etc aren't going to give you a cut of their profits and those two storefronts will eat a big chunk out of any margin for profits that could be had from this. On top of that you effectively aren't an Xbox anymore and you've lost your identity as a brand meaning this product is essentially a low spec PC. I don't see anyway that this dosen't completely bomb sales wise, profit wise, and marketing wise because your average consumer is going to look at this and be like 'ohh a PC no thanks i already have one'.
Topher
Identifies as young
Money will be made on the hardware primarily. Of course, this device will heavily promote Game Pass as well. My guess is sales will be a fraction of Xbox Series due to the higher price point. Big question is pricing. If MS overprices this like they overpriced Surface then there will be little incentive for people to buy this over a gaming PC or laptop.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
RetroGamingUK
Member
That would be the worst of both worlds, an expensive unsubsidised PC without upgradability or computer functions.
Little Chicken
Member
A console where I can access Steam, Xbox and Game Pass is the dream 
lughnasadh123
Member
If they could make it seamless out of the box, sure. Kind of has to be for those who don't want to go full PC or swap consoles.
RetroGamingUK
Member
A console where I can access Steam, Xbox and Game Pass is the dream
You’re not getting it, it’s not a console.
It’s just another PC like HP, Dell, ASUS, Acer and Lenovo already sell.
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yurinka
Member
Nah, pretty likely PS6 will release November 2027. Keeping around 7 years of distance with the previous one, same as PS5 or PS4 did.
It would make sense to release the next 'Xbox' (pretty likely consolized PCs built by 3rd party manufacturers with just a Windows/Xbox logo stamped in the box) around that time too.
Pretty likely at the same time, or a little before, MS will launch a "Xbox UI" for Windows that would be their 'big picture' Xbox equivalent to control the pc with a gamepad on a PC handheld/consolized PC.
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Astray
Member
The surface team is doing the design work, this will almost certainly be overpriced for what it is.
Trust Microsoft to ship that.
When have these jokers ever made a well-realized plan?
That's even worse for the next-gen Xbox lol.
Little Chicken
Member
I'll wait and see rather than rely on your definitive commentary on what the next Xbox is.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
This is literally what consoles are already.
Sebastian1295
Member
The series s and x sales have completely tanked and that's with them practically giving the series s away with it's price drops and price in general. I don't see enough people buying the hardware to make this sustainable at all.
Astray
Member
