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[Shaki12345]

- Who cares what Jez Corden thinks or says?
- it's gonna be a PC box for the living room with focus on Microsoft Store. They need to make the Store more interesting . Putting Steam on it is nice for us but very bad for them. Won't happen.
- Xbox and PC games will be "the same". You buy it once and play it wherever you want, because everything is Xbox.
- the same backwards compatibility we are used to.
- They will have a disc and discless version and high end GFX for as little money as possible. 499€ and 599€.
- Big focus on streaming and cloud with new advancements made in this regard.
- advanced raytracing capabilities will be included. Along with DLSS techniques to make it more future proof.
- Will have a modified Windows with options for users to use it like a PC

 

[Hookshot]

How many PS5 Pros is it equivalent to?

 

[Astray]

A few things about this and I will admit I haven't talked specifically about this next gen console to people in awhile but...

Early pitch stages sounds way off to me because I know for a fact those pitch stages happen much earlier leading into a new generation so if this part is true this next gen machine is way behind the original timeline I was given like 2 years ago

I can't speak on how Sony does things but at least at Xbox their planning started even before the launch of a current gen as soon as the current gen is finalized and goes into production their teams get to work on the future

If what Jez says here is true the powers that be above Phils head must have really taking a lot of convincing to move forward

This could very well be the expensive machine but I got the feeling that would be handled by other manufacturers like Asus and stuff but this makes it sound like its 100% in house.

This indeed feels like it's moving much slower than we had in mind, I can't see this thing launching at scale in 2026 unless they do like a paper launch?

I think this device is basically going to be the Surface of Xboxes, a device made in smallish quantities with high margins that doesn't step on any OEMs toes.

 

[skneogaf]

Hopefully it will be amazing, forcing progression all around.

GTA 6 on it may be the best way to play till the playstation 6 comes out.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

Who will be buying this...

 

[Mr Moose]

Jez Corden: Xbox next-gen console hardware has now passed​

RIP.

Also, they would've been working on shit way before now, wouldn't they?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This indeed feels like it's moving much slower than we had in mind, I can't see this thing launching at scale in 2026 unless they do like a paper launch?

I think this device is basically going to be the Surface of Xboxes, a device made in smallish quantities with high margins that doesn't step on any OEMs toes.

Yeah if this is true it just now passed the pitch stage we wont be seeing whatever machine he is talking about for years

 

[tTHANOSs]

So they gonna alienate the 25 million series owners? A new xbox console is that last thing Microsoft should be thinking about now.

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

They should just focus on software.

They suck at that too.

 

[HogIsland]

Usually the next gen console goes into development right after the current one drops. This is a late decision if true.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

They should just focus on software.

But I like XBOX hardware and online services

 

[Astray]

Yeah if this is true it just now passed the pitch stage we wont be seeing whatever machine he is talking about for years

IIRC, Sony is done with the tape out of the PS6 SOC, so that means that they're now ahead in chronological terms? Would be completely disastrous if I'm right.

If this new Xbox doesn't come out by 2026ish, then they'll largely miss the "most powerful box that can run GTA6" selling point because the game will probably have its PC port out by then. This basically gives the PS5 Pro a free run during the GTA6 launch window..

We're gonna be entering some interesting times re: console market for sure..

So they gonna alienate the 25 million series owners? A new xbox console is that last thing Microsoft should be thinking about now.

These guys are exiting in droves rn, they want to keep the hardcore of the hardcore on and see if they can parlay that GP revenue stream into something that's smaller with higher margins.

No idea why they can't do that with the existing userbase and machines though.

 

[SHA]

Gamepass is projected to make $5.5B in 2025, that's equivalent to at least 7 lifetime hit titles in one year.

 

[tTHANOSs]

Gamepass is projected to make $5.5B in 2025, that's equivalent to at least 7 lifetime hit titles in one year.

I'm sure that's revenue and not profit.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Gonna streeeeeetch out that "insider content™"

 

[Shubh_C63]

If this new Xbox doesn't come out by 2026ish, then they'll largely miss the "most powerful box that can run GTA6" selling point because the game will probably have its PC port out by then. This basically gives the PS5 Pro a free run during the GTA6 launch window..

Even if they came out on Q3-2026 that is one entire year of GTA6 on the most recommended console PS5/Pro.

PS6 and Nextbox will be all about AI with same marketing slides like Nvidia showcasing insane AI-FPS numbers.

 

[EN250]

Goddamn MS, how it's so hard to understand?

Double post

 

[EN250]

Games, mfer, do you make them!?

'bu...but Activision" 3P multiplatform games that have been developed for years don't count, their current console needs more games and they're thinking about adding a new system on top of Series X and Xbone S?

 

[Negotiator101]

I thought I heard Sarah Bond a couple Summer Game Fests (or maybe Game Awards) saying the next Xbox will be the biggest leap in gaming technology ever. Was she full of shit if they are just now past approval stage?

Planning stage now it's approved.

 

[mayham2199]

Gamepass is projected to make $5.5B in 2025, that's equivalent to at least 7 lifetime hit titles in one year.

And yet their gaming revenue keeps dropping and they've been forced to go multiplat. A good reminder that it doesn't matter if you're pulling in 5.5B a year if more money is going out than coming in.

 

[viveks86]

I thought the next Xbox was going to be ahead the PS6? This almost sounds like they would launch together again, or may be even behind the PS6?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I thought the next Xbox was going to be ahead the PS6? This almost sounds like they would launch together again, or may be even behind the PS6?

For sure the timing either sounds way off by Jez or they had a long internal delay for whatever reason

 

[viveks86]

For sure the timing either sounds way off by Jez or they had a long internal delay for whatever reason

Oof. The last thing they need is another launch aligned console, especially if it's going to be a more expensive.

 

[mayham2199]

For sure the timing either sounds way off by Jez or they had a long internal delay for whatever reason

I can imagine a long internal delay because of the PC/Console hybrid. I do not believe that's as easy as people would like to believe it is and if there was a delay I would bet it was because of that.

Oof. The last thing they need is another launch aligned console, especially if it's going to be a more expensive.

Nah if they just release a traditional console they'll be fine. Unless you are under the impression they really want to win with their hardware. They are done with that and I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Phil's mouth. The plan actually seems pretty clear to me. Release a console and keep as many people as you can but I don't believe for one second they really think they can win with hardware anymore.

 

[light2x]

The competition:

 

[viveks86]

Nah if they just release a traditional console they'll be fine. Unless you are under the impression they really want to win with their hardware. They are done with that and I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Phil's mouth. The plan actually seems pretty clear to me. Release a console and keep as many people as you can but I don't believe for one second they really think they can win with hardware anymore.

Only if they release a traditional console. All signs point to a PC/Console hybrid and a handheld. I don't think they plan to win with hardware either. I just don't think they would have another traditional console out. But if you end up with a more expensive PC/console hybrid, launch aligned with a cheaper traditional console, it might actually end your hardware business altogether.

 

[SHA]

And yet their gaming revenue keeps dropping and they've been forced to go multiplat. A good reminder that it doesn't matter if you're pulling in 5.5B a year if more money is going out than coming in.

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I asked Gemini and says excluding acquisitions and shared resources like azure, if you do the Math Microsoft spend around $2B every year.

 

[Kerotan]

Either this guy has a recording device up Phil Spencer's asshole or he just makes stuff up.

 

[Sooner]

Rumor is it doesn't have a disc drive, nor does is play digital games, as Xbox CEO, Phillip Spencer says software does not matter in the big scheme of things.

 

[mckmas8808]

If it just passed the early pitch stage now, doesn't that mean the release is far off? Some people were saying GTA launch or early 2026. Unless it's literally a Windows PC with just a new UI on top.

EXACTLY!

 

[Ar¢tos]

What will this one eat for breakfast and in what time period will it be beta tested?

These are the important questions!!

 

[mayham2199]

Only if they release a traditional console. All signs point to a PC/Console hybrid and a handheld. I don't think they plan to win with hardware either. I just don't think they would have another traditional console out. But if you end up with a more expensive PC/console hybrid, launch aligned with a cheaper traditional console, it might actually end your hardware business altogether.

Other than Phil mentioning the possibility of a PC store on his console what other signs have their been? Jez wrote an article claiming that it's just going to be a traditional console which is what I fully expect.

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I asked Gemini and says excluding acquisitions and shared resources like azure, if you do the Math Microsoft spend around $2B every year.

Yea no one will have that information. It's just grabbing info from random sources and coming up with a number.

 

[viveks86]

Other than Phil mentioning the possibility of a PC store on his console what other signs have their been? Jez wrote an article claiming that it's just going to be a traditional console which is what I fully expect.

That and it being the greatest technological leap ever (which isn't feasible on a traditional console, even if they mean just AI/RT performance). And the fact that they are pushing so hard about everything being an Xbox. They are completely diluting the meaning of Xbox so that it doesn't need to be a traditional console anymore. But yeah, this is just me reading the tea leaves. Pure speculation.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

So they gonna alienate the 25 million series owners? A new xbox console is that last thing Microsoft should be thinking about now.

Exactly, hardware isn’t the issue, it’s not 2014 anymore

 

[ShirAhava]

I honestly like XBOX hardware far more than any other console manufacturer

Too bad there is no reason to own anything beyond the Xbox One X

 

[Humdinger]

I wonder if the confusion is because Jez's source reported on the PC hybrid model, rather than the handheld. The PC hybrid model would presumably be more complex to develop, so maybe it was greenlit recently, whereas the handheld has been underway for some time now.

I'm just speculating, but that would at least make some sense of the confusion.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm not getting this early pitch stage term.

If this system is supposed to come out in 2026, wouldnt it already be approved and buttoned down maybe a year ago? Then again, I dont know how hardware approval timings work.

Or maybe everything is on time, but it's 2027 system(?)

 

[DryvBy]

I see Jez has officially announced the end of Xbox. Insane given that the first Xbox was S Tier console gaming imo.

 

[mayham2199]

That and it being the greatest technological leap ever (which isn't feasible on a traditional console, even if they mean just AI/RT performance). And the fact that they are pushing so hard about everything being an Xbox. They are completely diluting the meaning of Xbox so that it doesn't need to be a traditional console anymore. But yeah, this is just me reading the tea leaves. Pure speculation.

I guess we will see what they end up doing.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

No one on PC cares about the microsoft store and no one is going to buy off of the microsoft store when they have steam readily available to them. They've tried getting PC gamers to get on gamepass and buy from the store and it's completely failed because the majority of PC gamers are locked to steam and aren't going to budge. It's a failing strategy for them.

I think you are right, just anecdotal evidence, but most of my friends that play on PC and buy games regularly just shrug game pass and prefer to buy the games on steam just to avoid dealing with Microsoft store and keep their collection into one ecosystem. And I can blame then, I still sub to game pass pc for a month or two every year to try some of the Microsoft exclusives that I'm interested in, at the end I just buy on steam and now on PSN.
On the 360 I get every multiplatform for Xbox because it was the best place to play, my PS3 was just for the amazing output Sony had back in that gen.

For me, the real issue Microsoft is facing is that they conditioned their audience to stop buying games I just wait for Game Pass deals. To a third-party publisher, it's not just the small user-base, the problem to deal is game pass.

 

[m14]

If Xbox still needs hardware and their next console is some way off, then why have MS seemingly given up on selling their current gen consoles?

The UK and other regions are running suspiciously low on Xbox Series X console stocks, why is PlayStation still widely more available?

Everything is an Xbox, but what if you can't buy an Xbox?

www.windowscentral.com

 

[Js562]

I'll buy it

 

[viveks86]

I'm not getting this early pitch stage term.

If this system is supposed to come out in 2026, wouldnt it already be approved and buttoned down maybe a year ago? Then again, I dont know how hardware approval timings work.

Or maybe everything is on time, but it's 2027 system(?)

This screams 2027 or even 2028, but it's also possible that there are two separate projects here with the handheld coming out sooner.

 

[K' Dash]

This thing needs to be a hybrid. PORTABILITY is where we should go.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I see Jez has officially announced the end of Xbox. Insane given that the first Xbox was S Tier console gaming imo.

360 despite RROD was pretty great too

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Who will be buying this...

Not me if it’s Spencer and his groupies behind it. Using hardware once again to fix a culture/management problem hasn’t worked yet they are set to do it once again.

Im sure I’ll be informed how great it is by the people who receive one for free.

 

[TropicanaTwista]

I understand it's MS and they have unlimited money to the point where when this bombs it won't really impact them, but what a waste of time this is. If anything, they should be going all in on cloud and try and be the top spot to play there. Might not work out short term, but I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years from now cloud gaming is big. I'm surprised on how well it works now. They going after the 'living room' is just a failing bet.

 

[coffinbirth]

Why would a developer put a game on the Microsoft store and not on steam? It'd be suicide sales wise to do so and i don't see any incentive that would make a dev do so. I also don't understand how Microsoft are going to be able to make a piece of hardware next gen that'll interest consumers and make them a profit.

Why not both? Does it need to be either/or?

- Who cares what Jez Corden thinks or says?
- it's gonna be a PC box for the living room with focus on Microsoft Store. They need to make the Store more interesting . Putting Steam on it is nice for us but very bad for them. Won't happen.
- Xbox and PC games will be "the same". You buy it once and play it wherever you want, because everything is Xbox.
- the same backwards compatibility we are used to.
- They will have a disc and discless version and high end GFX for as little money as possible. 499€ and 599€.
- Big focus on streaming and cloud with new advancements made in this regard.
- advanced raytracing capabilities will be included. Along with DLSS techniques to make it more future proof.
- Will have a modified Windows with options for users to use it like a PC

I've been saying this for over a year now.
I think it's the best case scenario, and about the only way I would buy another Xbox...but I think it's a little bit optimistic to think that they would do this to the console side of things in terms of access to vanilla Windows features and storefronts. I think their main focus is on Windows Store and bringing more elements of Xbox OS UI and features to it....on PC. As in, that's exactly what they've done the last year or so, whereas they've allowed the console side of things to languish.

Here's my hot take, and I've mentioned it before, but it makes more sense now than ever; I think the next Xbox home console will be modular.
Sell a base unit that functions as a normal console, but also sell a plug-n-play GPU upgrade. A disc drive. Storage. Those could all be farmed out to OEM to keep the base unit price low. They could then have a "Pro" upgrade whenever they see fit.

Toss a handheld into the mix with eGPU support, and shit could get interesting, hahaha.

 

[Shaki12345]

Why not both? Does it need to be either/or?

I've been saying this for over a year now.
I think it's the best case scenario, and about the only way I would buy another Xbox...but I think it's a little bit optimistic to think that they would do this to the console side of things in terms of access to vanilla Windows features and storefronts. I think their main focus is on Windows Store and bringing more elements of Xbox OS UI and features to it....on PC. As in, that's exactly what they've done the last year or so, whereas they've allowed the console side of things to languish.

Here's my hot take, and I've mentioned it before, but it makes more sense now than ever; I think the next Xbox home console will be modular.
Sell a base unit that functions as a normal console, but also sell a plug-n-play GPU upgrade. A disc drive. Storage. Those could all be farmed out to OEM to keep the base unit price low. They could then have a "Pro" upgrade whenever they see fit.

Toss a handheld into the mix with eGPU support, and shit could get interesting, hahaha.

Let me say this: I hope you're right mate.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nutella:

Phil, what’s the pitch on a new Xbox? Didn’t we sell like 4 million of those last year?

Phil: