Jez Corden: Win32 will be the preferred development environment for the next Xbox consoles, with Xbox One/Series X|S "ERA" environment gradually phase
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DeltaPolarBear
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Microsoft supporters are just telling on themselves in their dream of blocking Steam from Windows entirely. That way they can get 100% of steam revenue. in theory. But they know they can't do that as that just leads to Steam OS being a serious thing.
It is all projection.
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RetroGamingUK
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I think Sony’s seclusion to either block or not release games depends on how much they deem the next Xbox to be competition.
- If it’s subsidised hardware in a console form factor then it’s direct competition
- If it’s simply “Xbox” branded Windows PC that operate like any other Windows PC then it wouldn’t be deemed as competition
- If it’s subsidised hardware in a console form factor then it’s direct competition
- If it’s simply “Xbox” branded Windows PC that operate like any other Windows PC then it wouldn’t be deemed as competition
kevboard
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I mean of course they can't block a Windows device from installing Steam games.
who would ever believe that?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
My guess its just a smear campaign from people like Jez and Colt
PendekarRajawali
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MS tested this thing years ago, guys
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
And why would Sony want to do that? It would be like blocking people from playing on Asus hardware only. MS isn’t gonna subsidize a normal HTPC and expect to sell 100M units when they can’t force you into a walled garden.
Astray
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Will be very funny watching these shills lose their shit when the inevitable caveats start showing themselves.
aaaand /thread
Lucifers Beard
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It's starting to make sense why they announced that they have over 1000 play anywhere titles now. That's a good thing for those who have bought digital games, but I'm thinking that BC is unlikely to be a thing next generation for Xbox because of it. Hopefully that's not the case and they have some custom solution built in that still allows for Xbox BC.
This could be a really neat device for many that don't want to buy an actual PC, one of my siblings was talking about buying a PC and has put it off hearing that the next Xbox will likely be a PC type device rather than a traditional console. I'd probably get one of them for the living room so I can play stuff on my PC library with my wife.
All I want to know now is hardware and price.
This could be a really neat device for many that don't want to buy an actual PC, one of my siblings was talking about buying a PC and has put it off hearing that the next Xbox will likely be a PC type device rather than a traditional console. I'd probably get one of them for the living room so I can play stuff on my PC library with my wife.
All I want to know now is hardware and price.
crazepharmacist
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They’re ditching x86?
memoryman3
Neo Member
Simple, just get the device’s unique hardware configuration and ID and refuse to run the game if it matches an “Xbox”. Xbox would need to provide this if they want backwards compatiblity as publishers didn’t agree to run their games on PC’s.
Games can already recognise Nvidia, AMD, or Steam Deck hardware.
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DAHGAMING
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I had a thought today while driving, I wonder how upgradeable this new Xbox monstrosity will be ? This gen we have had the Series X/S propietary SSD and you can easily add an Nvme to the PS5. Im not sure if its possible and im just talking shit but what if the new Xbox is upgradeable with a easy to fit propietary GPU aswell ? We can all replace a PC gpu its easy stuff but the normal console gamer would be put off with the normal process, but if there was an easy access flap with maybe 2 screws, a push release to pop out a GPU and then slip in the new GPU I feel more people would go for that.
My thinking is that would be that devices mid gen refresh if you want it, of corse it would cost more than the PC equivalent but again the masses of the more casual mob wouldnt even know what to compare it with.
My thinking is that would be that devices mid gen refresh if you want it, of corse it would cost more than the PC equivalent but again the masses of the more casual mob wouldnt even know what to compare it with.
kevboard
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the precedent this would set would hopefully result in Steam disallowing such a practice. given how user first Steam is, I'd expect them to in fact.
define what a PC is. I bet it would be impossible for any publisher to do anything against backwards compatibility that doesn't modify any game files. if it is a box sold by Microsoft that says Xbox on it... it's an Xbox console.
the one and SX already run on Windows 10. it can already run Windows software with only minimal modifications needed (which is how emulators were "ported" over super fast by solo devs. mostly they just needed to be repackaged)
hell it even kinda works the other way around. you can install Xbox One games on Windows... they just don't start due to the lack of a working translation layer and of course due to copy protection etc. but they install like any Windows store app.
the Xbox Series X|S is already a Windows 10 PC. it's just a closed off one with a custom UI.
on top of that, Xbox One/Series games run on their own OS anyway. it's similar to how Windows CE worked on the Dreamcast. each Xbox One/Series game comes with its own version of "Title OS" that you install with each game, which it runs on through a virtual machine separate from the main Windows 10 based system OS.
all Microsoft has to do is create a translation layer to make the Title OS compatible with their new system or even standard PCs.
it's all already distributed through the same online Store, it already runs Windows, and games run in a VM on their own OS.
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I don't think Sony will be able to block a device running Steam from playing their PC games but if they think an "Xbox PC" is a threat they can just stop future PC ports completely.
mayham2199
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I find it hard to believe it's not possible for Steam to do this. Whether they are willing to or not I don't know. Everyone is just making a claim at this point and no one is providing any real proof one way or the other.
Coloress_Kafka
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Alternatively, Sony detects you're playing the game on Xbox and starts loading in random cheats that make the game actively worse.
-Aloy's head gets bigger every 10 mins until it covers the entire screen.
-Spiderman loads a different audio language with each cutscene
-Joel and Ellie's character models are swapped for the entire game
-Aloy's head gets bigger every 10 mins until it covers the entire screen.
-Spiderman loads a different audio language with each cutscene
-Joel and Ellie's character models are swapped for the entire game
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Guardian Monkey
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Microsoft’s move to prioritize Win32 for Xbox development is not about reverting to outdated 32-bit limitations but rather about adopting a robust and unified API that supports modern 64-bit applications, enhances development efficiency, and improves overall performance on current and future Xbox hardware.
i.e. -A game developed using the Win32 API could be released on both Xbox and Windows without major rewrites or separate packaging.
princelashawn
Neo Member
Umm....wouldnt that make it a PC? Microsoft really only wants a HUB for game pass. In the future Game Pass will be available on those grocery store LED screens that display product information in the fozen food section.
mayham2199
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They blocked their games from running on Geforce now why not on an Xbox?
SmurfMustard
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Because those are two different things.
mayham2199
Member
I agree. So which do you think Sony would care about more. Blocking games from playing on the cloud that you already purchased through Steam or blocking games running on Xbox's new hybrid system?
Little Chicken
Gold Member
Would Sony really block their games on PC? Very anti-consumer.
GHG
Gold Member
No, you can buy a PC right now and play all of the games they've released on there.
Little Chicken
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bender
What time is it?
Sony has a competing streaming service. I don't really think Sony would view an Xbox running Steam differently than any other PC and would welcome ringing out a few more sales.
SmurfMustard
Member
In my opinion they shouldn't care about either if the game has been purchased. I don't know about the legal stuff considering GeForce Now and why NVidia obliged to Sonys request to take their games of the service, but I can't imagine Sony could block games from future hardware running windows and steam just because it has XBox in it's name.
But this all is just a "wait and see" thing for me.
GHG
Gold Member
?
They wouldn't be able to do any such thing.
Look, if you're suddenly desperate to start gaming on a Windows gaming PC then you do realise you've already been able to do that your whole life right?
They removed their games entirely from Geforce Now in the same way that many other publishers did.
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Little Chicken
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bender
What time is it?
Concerned trolling maybe.
GHG
Gold Member
My little birdy, I'm very concerned that you may have suddenly evolved in to a parrot:
Do we need to take you to the vet?
bender
What time is it?
What they fail to factor in is that this hybrid Xbox solution, if true, will end up doing Steam Deck numbers in sales.
GHG
Gold Member
Yep.
If they are going to make this comparison and instist that's what's going to happen then it would equate to Sony removing all of their games from Steam and other PC storefronts.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
Very upsetting accusation.
Concern for Sony being anti-consumer now "a sickness"
I'm just sitting here with a smile on my face as some ppl twist into several pretzels about what they think this means.
That some ppl think they have to wait for this Xbox device to play Sony games on Steam is....priceless.
We are witnessing the ultimate grasps at brand loyalty. It's amazing actually.
bender
What time is it?
Very upsetting accusation.
Concern for Sony being anti-consumer now "a sickness"
GHG
Gold Member
Very upsetting accusation.
Concern for Sony being anti-consumer now "a sickness"
Well yes, it is a sickness if such a "concern" is based around a fictional scenario that isn't possible or feasible in any way.
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Topher
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Very upsetting accusation.
Concern for Sony being anti-consumer now "a sickness"
Why are you pretending we don’t know who you are?
bender
What time is it?
Hopefully the influencer money will dry up for the likes of colteastwood once Microsoft puts Xbox hardware on the backburner.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
I can't help being pro-consumer.
As I have primarily been an Xbox Family of Devices user, pro-consumerism and high standards are naturally ingrained in me.
bender
What time is it?
Why are you pretending we don’t know who you are?
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hinch7
Member
Huh? If anything this will greatly benefit PC gamers. With Microsoft focusing on select API's, optimisations on Windows and DX will likely improve; with better UX and performance overall. And devs don't have to worry about making a separate 'Xbox' version with multiple SKU's. Its a win win, at least in theory.
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Topher
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Hmm, so it might be possible for a game to detect the make and model of the device running the game and then refuse to execute any further. This is information that is often stored in registry so if it is a PC it could be done. If it is an Xbox then perhaps not. But I would imagine this doesn’t jive with Steams terms either way. That may be what K KeplerL2 is referring to.
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mayham2199
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Kind of my issue with this back and forth everyone is having on twitter. It's just people going "No they can't", "Yes, they can". No one providing proof one way or the other and on top of that we don't even know what Xbox's device is going to be like. If they go around calling it a console that might be enough for PS to consider it a violation of the license agreement they have with Steam.
Holammer
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Not to mention legal considerations. They would have legislators breathing down their necks, nobody wants that.