I don't know if they added it before or after they hit 2.5 million, but the 6-7 million wasn't mentioned when they started taking money.
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Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States
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QuicheFontaine
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If this overturns the result in Pennsylvania AND Wisconsin, Trump still wins
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Well, I didn't really have anything to add, because you're 100% right.
Enosh
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if this overturns a single state the whole election will be thrown into chaos
Skellig Gra
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It won't though. A recount doesn't look for fraud. They'd just be redoing the exact same process they already did.
Well we all know Jill Stein is crazy because wifi and vaccinations
or so I have been told by those who pressured people into supporting Clinton because 'you shouldn't be opposed to her when you agree with most of her program'.
JacksUsername
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I'll wait for the anime version to go up.
In all seriousness though, if something actually does come out of this, I'll be happy to eat crow. It's just such a long-shot that it's hard to take seriously.
Azure Dream
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I was primarily speaking hypothetically. I doubt it's the case, actually. But considering Russia's been hacking several key elements of this election, there's enough lingering doubt to double-check things.
I'm more in the "ok, ths is a clear sign the Electoral College is fucked up" camp than "Russia stole the election for Trump" camp. That being said, I think if it had been feasible for Russia to do so, they would've tried, the way things were going.
There are worse and crazier things to have as politics than to think or appeal to anti-vaccines and wifi-tinfoil hat people and believes .
It was before, but not by much:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161124043128/https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount
Azure Dream
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Don't forget 9-11 conspiracy nuts...
The key problem is she showed a lack of understanding in the policies she proposed. To be honest, there were four major candidates common to most ballots, and three out of those four did not understand the limitations and complexities of the job they were applying for. Like her or not (which is a stupid way to pick your country's leader, by the way), Clinton was the singular person with a chance that actually had some grasp of what a President can actually do. Period.
j0hnnix
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Oh there will be a counting alright
Lol. That liberal money smells so good. I wonder if Jill will buy a LaFerrari with their money.
LelouchViBritannia
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Vestal
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I was speaking to the general sentiment of its over and move on.
In Michigan, she has to prove she, as a candidate, has been "aggrieved," which means that she must prove that all of those Trump or Hillary votes were actually for her, giving her the state win instead of Trump. Hillary "could" do it. But as a 3rd party candidate, Stein is out to lunch I'm afraid.
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(d...5))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-116-1954-XXXIII.pdf
A lawyer who breaks it down (He says he's a liberal in another tweet):
https://twitter.com/openargs/status/801550227362762754
GoldenEye 007
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This seems really dumb. But hey, not my money.
gamechanger87
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The law firm that pushed this will end up pulling one of the greatest KS scams in recent memory. It's amazing to see how quickly this thread dries up after the goal kept getting extended for attorney fees and people kept putting up red flags.
jack_package_200
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I mean its a step up from the idiot who was her VP.
I think a bigger problem would be if she was granted recounts when she clearly doesn't have standing. The numbers keep going up at a steady pace though, so I dunno. There are many red flags going up in my mind about this, while still trying to stay grounded in the reality of what data analysts and lawyers keep saying (which is that it's a scam).
By my understanding...She would end up being an aggrieved party due to potential fraud. It is easily argued that her desired policies mesh better with a Clinton win than a Trump win. The only thing that should change in the case of Michigan is the cost. .5% of vote disparity between her and winner per ward for recount fees.
I'd say Wisconsin will likely be recounted. MI as 2nd most likely. PA least likely because that would be a hilarious disaster
gamechanger87
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Michigan already did a recount and slightly adjusted the numbers.
How do you argue fraud when there is no proof? The original complaints for fraud already said they have no proof.
The problem is her argument of potential fraud would need to reasonably prove that she has a shot in hell of winning the state if a recount was done (She CANNOT argue for either of the other candidates). She also told CNN that she has no evidence of hacking or fraud, meaning she currently has no case or standing.
If they allow a recount, and votes are suddenly found, in like a bathroom or a closet, there is going to be a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SHITSTORM. Because that'd be textbook voter fraud on a potential recount.
iirc, you don't need evidence. Just stating they think there is fraud is enough to satisfy the requirement for Michigan law.
Skellig Gra
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A bathroom full of hidden ballots? You need to face reality man.
I posted the link to MI's law above. She has to give probable cause that she (Not Clinton or Trump) was cost the election. If she does not, she has no standing for a recount. Considering she lost MI by like...2 million votes, there should be no blue's chance in hell of that happening.
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I mean like a stall, or they were in someone's car, etc. Examples like that. It does happen.
Isn't it incredible. At this point I wish Stein would dump the 5 million dollarydoos in PP and actually use the money for something worthwhile. Goddamn.
I don't think Stein is evil but also this campaign seems extremely exploitative in order to take advantage of angry young liberals who have money to burn
It should have been mentioned up front that a recount is not guaranteed and not buried in the fine print
As it is, it just feels like a lot of Democrats accidentally funded the Green Party's 2020 campaign and that's kind shitty.
There is not going to be a found cache of uncounted paper ballots. Even if such a thing existed at one point, it for sure doesn't still exist. If electronic voting machines were hacked to enter additional votes, or votes for legitimate voters who didn't show up to vote, or dead people, that won't be identifiable in a traditional recount. Publishing all voting data for independent analysis is the only way to find anything like that.
Enosh
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seems like all they had to do is ask for money for a recount in WI
it's the easiest state to file in, it's very unlikely that fraud happened in MI and PA but not WI and if WI is somehow proven to have been hacked/messed with the whole thing gets turned on it's head anyway with recounts and audits in every state
it's the easiest state to file in, it's very unlikely that fraud happened in MI and PA but not WI and if WI is somehow proven to have been hacked/messed with the whole thing gets turned on it's head anyway with recounts and audits in every state
hydragonwarrior
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Agreed. If for some weird dream scenario, there were Russians helping the DNC win against Romney, I wouldn't be opposed to Romney launching a recount.
And the whole Wiki-Leaks thing is ridiculous - the fact that it had so much power over the election should be looked into.
Infernostew
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So I would actually donate if she were to give the money away in a game show. Can you Win Jill Stein's Money?
someone needs to shop this picture...
someone needs to shop this picture...
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maquiladora
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It's happening.
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/802269402880233472
Election commission in Wisconsin receives request for vote recount in state narrowly won by Donald Trump
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/802269402880233472
Election commission in Wisconsin receives request for vote recount in state narrowly won by Donald Trump
ShooterMcGavin
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ItsHappening.gif?
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Good, good.
Let's hope some thing changes.
Let's hope some thing changes.
I think she chose that guy because his name was sort of like Obama's.
It is!!!! Yes let's unveil the masked Russian monster responsible for this!
jack_package_200
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