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Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States
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This is a Kickstarter alright. And the results will be as disappointing as most of them.
It keeps increasing. If you notice, at the bottom of the page, it says $6-7 million is needed.
In Michigan, recount laws are as follows:
Basically, she has to have probable cause she was "aggrieved." BUT it doesn't appear that she has any proof of it, isn't pursuing that avenue of possibility and is only doing it for integral purposes. Meaning, she has no standing and will not be accepted in court.
This is a scam.
It never was. Just that the costs for each state were shown first. It's easier to reach the first goal because it was WI which ends on Friday.
gamechanger87
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At least in a kickstarter you get a plastic toy. Here you get a few votes that do nohing and line a voting rights attorneys pocket.
Seriously, this is being pushed by a firm that knows there is no tampering but are going to charge millions of dollars to fight it. They are going to make banks because they only have an opportunity to do this once every four years. This is their payday. Glad to see everyone is making sure they pay their mortgage. If they were really concerned they would be doing this probono.
Hyperactivity
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Hahaha this is really going faster than I would've expected
I was expecting 2.5 million by Friday XD
I was expecting 2.5 million by Friday XD
Where does that quote say anything about proof or probable cause lmao? It straight up says "if he or she believes." Does it need to be spelled out?
The wildest ride.
FireBeaver
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Just like a Kickstarter, a lot of people who funded this are gonna be disappointed.
Peter Ian Staker
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There is no way only Trump supporters would have noticed this. This is way too big for nobody to blow the whistle.
We had this conversation in the other thread. Voting statistics don't show any signs of foul play. Let it go.
Unfortunately the foul play has already affected the voting before the first vote was cast D:
This really shouldn't shock me, because we're in a country that voted trump into the whitehouse... however the sheer amount of people who had to have donated to this is still shocking to me though. How can so many people genuinely believe this will actually do anything at all? And after a whole bunch of nothing comes from it, a ton of people are going to be let down again.
Jawbreaker
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How much do I need to donate to get a free copy of Steins;Gate 0? I'd certainly enjoy being in another timeline right now.
It's basically like the lottery. Except instead of an incredibly miniscule chance that one person wins, there's an incredibly miniscule chance that everyone wins. Not surprising that people are playing.
This doesn't need to be about winning or losing, this should be about finding evidence of fraud - even if its not enough to overturn the states in question / the overall result.
There is no miniscule chance. It's a conspiracy theory. While we're at it we should hold a fundraiser to investigate the moon landing.
This is bizarro world.
Trump claims if he doesn't win then "the election is rigged and voter fraud is a real thing" and everyone makes fun of him, as they should. Now anti-Trumpers (I guess that's what I should call it? Jill Stein is doing this, so they aren't specifically Democrats or Hilary supporters per se...) are intent on doing what they thought he would do and suddenly "nah totally possible, let's give it a shot!"
I don't like Trump, but I do like salty hypocrites.
Trump claims if he doesn't win then "the election is rigged and voter fraud is a real thing" and everyone makes fun of him, as they should. Now anti-Trumpers (I guess that's what I should call it? Jill Stein is doing this, so they aren't specifically Democrats or Hilary supporters per se...) are intent on doing what they thought he would do and suddenly "nah totally possible, let's give it a shot!"
I don't like Trump, but I do like salty hypocrites.
I'm comparing it to winning the lottery. 1 in 300 million odds.
If you hold 300 million elections, somebody's gonna try to fraudulently steal one of them.
I'd say the chances of this working are way higher.
This is a total waste of money, but so is playing the lottery. People like to bet on longshots for some reason.
I don't think that's quite how it works, not to mention it would require fairly rampant fraud. The foundation of this is a supposed anamoly that was seen by a few unnamed "top computer scientists" , which was quickly shot down.
Garrett Hawke
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Seems to have slowed down now. Guess the $7m goal is too much?
gamechanger87
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There are likely only so many fools out there. I did like the fact that no one responded to my comment that this effort is being led by a voting rights law firm that is going to make millions off of dissaffected Hilary voters.
TBF, Trump did a lot of projecting during the election where he was often making claims about others doing something when he was the one doing it. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if claims of voting fraud/rigging was another projection (hell, didn't he outright tell his supporters to even vote twice to balance out the "rigging" the Dems were going to be doing?).
Still, don't see anything coming of this though...
When you say this, do you actually have people in mind? I am sure there are some people who thought like this, but I don't see the point in writing it out in the thread considering people want a recount for various reasons.
Trump wasn't going to accept the result simply out of spite, not due to any real voting fraud. Any voting fraud that could of happened would of been against the Dems considering the amount of play Russia, the Republicans voter ID laws, and even the FBI has been putting into U.S's election this year.
I do not think anything will come of it, but I don't mind using the Republican tactics against them so I can hear them whine as they are kept awake. I did not donate, but only because I can not afford to, the entertainment alone makes the donation worth it in my book.
The only issue here is it needs an actual investigation, not just a recount, which I am not sure if this covers doing such.
Bruce Springsteen
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It's over guys, we need to move on
Stein just doing a great job playing into fears and seriously banking hard, she's asking for 7 million now lol
Stein just doing a great job playing into fears and seriously banking hard, she's asking for 7 million now lol
Tal Shiar Agent
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Boy, if the Founding Father just gave up we'd be stuck with the Articles of Confederation.
Its fucking disgusting and really privileged to say "give up".
Its fucking disgusting and really privileged to say "give up".
I'm not convinced the people funding this are the same folks who scoffed at Trumps claims.
Camp Freddie
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If I donate a large amount, do I get a bonus reward. Do I get early access to the primary, or complementary inauguration tickets? Preferably, I'd like a premium package where I can pick my own president.
I mean, time is money and maybe I don't want to keep voting until until 2020 to get the president I want. Especially while my online friends are kicking my arse with maxed out Trudeaus and Merkels.
I mean, time is money and maybe I don't want to keep voting until until 2020 to get the president I want. Especially while my online friends are kicking my arse with maxed out Trudeaus and Merkels.
There is no moving on guys. This is just the beginning of questioning and holding the future Trump administration accountable.
It's going to be similar to Gov. Scott Walker in WI, constant pressure has kept him from going hog wild with a full out conservative agenda and has left him as one of the most unpopular governors in the country.
Now, just imagine if instead of wasting all this money on something that may not even happen (a recount) or will prove/settle nothing, that all this money was donated to a much more worthwhile cause- cancer research, children's hospital, homeless shelters, etc.
Just a shame to see all that money getting pissed away
Just a shame to see all that money getting pissed away
Vestal
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While I think this will go no where and it's a waste of money, there is no moving on from this election. People need to keep it fresh in their minds everyday and let it fuel them to do something about it, be it volunteer, donate, protest, run for office etc.
It's going to be a long 4 fucking years but we need to fight this every day.
Dreadnought
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If you guys read the actual thing she didn't only just now increase it to 7 million. The goal was always 6-7million to cover lawyer fees and such.
MaulerX
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...for-an-election-recount/ar-AAkJ8y5?li=BBnb7Kz
Good read. This is not going anywhere (hint: They've done this before). Total waste of money and it's sad because they're just feeding off of the losing camps desires to not have Trump as president. Most of the money is actually not for a recount, but for lawyer fees associated with taking Pennsylvania to court as the time to ask for a recount there expired. In order to get a recount a judge has to allow it. Insane waste of time and money.
Good read. This is not going anywhere (hint: They've done this before). Total waste of money and it's sad because they're just feeding off of the losing camps desires to not have Trump as president. Most of the money is actually not for a recount, but for lawyer fees associated with taking Pennsylvania to court as the time to ask for a recount there expired. In order to get a recount a judge has to allow it. Insane waste of time and money.
notworksafe
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Nope, the $7 million wasn't mentioned until after the first goal was hit.
gamechanger87
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Correct. You guys are just paying for a bunch of attorneys to make bank. Nothing will come of this other than attorney fees.
Skellig Gra
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How is another demoralizing defeat going to motivate people to keep fighting? Let's use our energy for things that can actually make a difference rather than some pie in the sky bullshit.
freenudemacusers
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Some lawyers are gonna have a nice Christmas.
Calamari41
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Since it's not a conspiracy theory to believe that the Kremlin has sleeper agents manning the polling stations and sticking USB dongles into electronic voting booths all across the Midwest under the supervision of KGB commander Donald Trump, I can't imagine that any judge will deny the request.
This post is from before the first goal was hit, no?:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=225361315&postcount=552
It already mentions the 6-7 million and I also remember reading it myself on the website before the first goal was hit.
notworksafe
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Hm, odd. I know it was definitely not there when this thing was launched so it must have been added around the $2 mil mark.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161123205129/https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount
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