Jimquisition: Dragon's Frown

faceless007 said:
Well, that's a lot of fans of the game and its defenders you're including there. Also, presumably, the developers think the game is better with the huge breasts, as evidenced by them deliberately designing it that way. So if neither the people who like the art style nor the people who dislike it have a valid opinion about it, who does?



Art style and character design are part of the overall product.

Pretty weird to see someone on a video game forum arguing that aesthetics and visuals shouldn't be taken into account. (Of course, you're not quite saying that. You're saying that the aesthetics and visuals of this specific part of the game shouldn't be taken into account. Which is just as incoherent.)
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Is not that incoherent seeing that this game has way more to offer in the art deparment that big boobs, also the picture she's using is clearly reminiscent of classic art ns almost a "¡Oh please, why no one think about the children!" level of ignorance and biased look of the art.

That's something that shouldn't be applauded and defended.
 
I am just wondering if the depictions of most of the monsters and the stages is also bad with this artstyle.
Or if the attention to detail, the animation etc are irrelevant.
But whatever.
People value different things in games all the time.
 
Just read the review, and this is what I left with:

Dragon's Crown is a fantasy-obsessed teenaged boy's dream: crazy, violent and full of impossibly large breasts.

and

DRAGON'S CROWN IS AN UNAPOLOGETIC ADOLESCENT FANTASY

This didn't really need to be said, at least not in such an insulting way. You can review a game and talk about the problems it has in a mature fashion-although I suppose the decision to do so is entirely up to the individual reviewer.
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
I don't get how you decide what things should and shouldn't be critcized when reviewing a game. If the reviewer thought the game was sexist, she shouldn't review it?

My point is I just think a reviewer should be able to review a game any way they want. And I can choose to write off any review I want for any reason.
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I'm saying that it, in my opinion, it would have been more genuine for her to let someone else review the game and let her opinion on the art style be known through a blog post.

As a reader of Polygon, I do have a say in what I do and do not want to see in my video game reviews. If they don't respect my opinion, I'll read someone else.
 
There will always be outliers for the most nearly universal review opinions.

Do people really need to validate their premeditated opinion about a game by questioning a review that is not as high as others?
 
Kusagari said:
Her review read like a 7.5-8 and then she docked it a full point more for her problems with the art style.

There is no way that read like a 9, even without the art style problems.
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That's not how polygon reviews work.

The review score is based on a consensus of the written review by the review staff. I like this method, it allows for reviews not to be just given scores willy-nilly. The staff has to agree on the score before it can be posted.
I haven't played the game yet, but it looks like a solid 7 to me.
 
SteveThom said:
The way I see it is that it goes like this.

Someone(A) likes a game/anything.

Someone else doesn't.

A wants to know why.

The reason given is that they think it's boring, has shit graphics or whatever.

A doesn't but that's fine.

HOWEVER, if the reason is because this thing is sexist/racist/ for morons/ childisj/ whatever. A takes this as meaning he likes sexist or whatever stuff and thus is in fact sexist.

Basically no one really cares about liking stuff that is boring or not pretty as that to them comes down to simple tastes and is obviously objective. Any loaded word with an ist on the end is often hard for people to take the same way. So while they may not get that by liking boring shit they too are boring, they might get that liking sexist shit makes them sexist.

It's merely the word choice that probably sends dudes/dudettes over the edge.

Or at least that's how I see it.
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I think this has something to do with it too. I mean, there probably would have been some backlash if she had just said the game was repetitive or not that fun, but that extra bit of "the art/game is somewhat sexist in its portrayal of women" is what really sent folks over the edge.

People have too much of their identity tied into the entertainment they enjoy.

Labor said:
Just read the review, and this is what I left with:

Dragon's Crown is a fantasy-obsessed teenaged boy's dream: crazy, violent and full of impossibly large breasts.

and

DRAGON'S CROWN IS AN UNAPOLOGETIC ADOLESCENT FANTASY

This didn't really need to be said, at least not in such an insulting way. You can review a game and talk about the problems it has in a mature fashion-although I suppose the decision to do so is entirely up to the individual reviewer.
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I really don't see what's insulting about it. That was the impression I got when I first saw the game.

Unapologetic adolescent fantasies are fun sometimes. I suppose in context it could be taken in a disparaging way, but near as I can tell, it's a pretty accurate description of what DC is.
 
antitrop said:
Saying you think the game is better because the Sorceress has huge breasts IS just as bad as saying you think the game is worse because the Sorceress has huge breasts.

But it has nothing to do with the overall quality of the product and thus should not affect the score meant to describe the quality of the product.
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I don't see why it shouldn't. If Polygon's reviewer really found the art direction that upsetting, (s)he should be able to dock points as a result.
 
Labor said:
Just read the review, and this is what I left with:

Dragon's Crown is a fantasy-obsessed teenaged boy's dream: crazy, violent and full of impossibly large breasts.

and

DRAGON'S CROWN IS AN UNAPOLOGETIC ADOLESCENT FANTASY

This didn't really need to be said, at least not in such an insulting way. You can review a game and talk about the problems it has in a mature fashion-although I suppose the decision to do so is entirely up to the individual reviewer.
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I agree with this. I think it's the sole problem with the review.

I think it's fine to dock the game points for her perceived problems with the art style. But the loaded attacks against people who might enjoy it were not needed.
 
deadlast said:
That's not how polygon reviews work.

The review score is based on a consensus of the written review by the review staff. I like this method, it allows for reviews not to be just given scores willy-nilly. The staff has to agree on the score before it can be posted.
I haven't played the game yet, but it looks like a solid 7 to me.
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Do they all have to play the game or do they just agree on if what's written justifies a certain score?

Edit: Fuck I didn't mean to double post this. Sorry.
 
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
Yes.
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Cool! I was just curious. :P

Dio said:
That, and they can keep up the appearance of only liking games with high metacritic scores.
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Seems rather odd to me, but I guess to each their own?

It's a strange industry. On one hand you have complaints that game scores are usually way too high, especially for games like CoD or other AAA blockbusters. Then you have complaints about a less enthusiastic review for a game that is receiving high marks.

Color me confused. But it seems similar to RottenTomatoes and well-liked films getting a few negative reviews. "Oh, this person didn't like x or liked y, so his/her opinion is invalid."
 
ElektroDragon said:
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
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What the fuck is this? I think you're seeing more to this than there actually is. A woman reviewer didn't feel comfortable with the game so she docked it points, and that's fine. There is no 'liberal agenda' here.
 
ElektroDragon said:
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
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ElektroDragon said:
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
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ElektroDragon said:
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
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Dude what?

If you read the review, the game wasn't going to get a 9 from this writer even without art style complaints. The art wasn't the sole reason the game got a 6.5; the review also took nature with the repetitive structure and combat.

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i dont care about this game , this does not affect me. BUT why its always polygon? I dont go there cause smells like a bias site.
 
I think the Dynasty Warriors bit was more appropriate than it seems at first blush.

Its basically Jim tackling the unwashed hordes of internet fanboys (that exist in any and all internet environments to some extent) for the pure enjoyment of it. Just to let it out.

Let it out Jim, but know this is a game that never ends. Fixing the problem here is about as likely as making YouTube comments into calm, rational and readable digests of criticism, accolades and scholarly wit.
 
Labor said:
Just read the review, and this is what I left with:

Dragon's Crown is a fantasy-obsessed teenaged boy's dream: crazy, violent and full of impossibly large breasts.

and

DRAGON'S CROWN IS AN UNAPOLOGETIC ADOLESCENT FANTASY

This didn't really need to be said, at least not in such an insulting way. You can review a game and talk about the problems it has in a mature fashion-although I suppose the decision to do so is entirely up to the individual reviewer.
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eh, yes. maybe because on internet everyone can write. but what's up with all those self proclamer reviever that write and says thigs like "this game should be thrown in space"
"suda51 you're finished", "this game is juvenile trash" "is teenager boy fantasy"?
just review the game, jeez
 
ElektroDragon said:
Destructoid gave the game a 9.5. Which is GREAT. I was afraid Dtoid would give it a low score, not Polygon. But this proved Polygon are the REAL bastards trying to push the politically correct ultra liberal feminist hatred of "OMG a large boob! Misogyny!". Even if this is not mentioned in the review, I bet you that's the reason. Well you know what? My wife has large boobs and loves the art style. I'm afraid this about flat chested women and their companions (be they male or female) and their associated chest envy.
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Dude... this is atleast the second time you've posted about your wife's chest. What the hell is wrong with you?

Atleast this time you aren't complaining about your "ultra liberal feminist" ex wife. But you are complaining about the entire group of them.

My guess is you're twelve and a shitty liar.


Also, I'm the last person to defend polygon, but if you're going to bitch about the review you should probably read it. That's just straight ignorance.

Now please stop talking about your "wife" and her breasts. Please.
 
ElektroDragon said:
Is that not typical of GAF? I just wanted to mention that some women out there don't mind the art style and don't think it is offensive.

I apologize if I've freaked anyone out.
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Great. And some women and men (like my partner and myself, who are both getting the game, and don't find large chests unattractive) find it offensive, gross, and childish.
 
ElektroDragon said:
Is that not typical of GAF? I just wanted to mention that some women out there don't mind the art style and don't think it is offensive.

I apologize if I've freaked anyone out.
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Who cares? No really, who cares if they don't mind the artstyle? That has absolutely no effect on one person's opinion for a review. I probably hate games you like and I've written reviews officially, what the fuck are you gonna do about it?
 
there was something magical about Jim trailing off at the end while this Dynasty Warriors gameplay is going for far longer than it should have

re: elektro -- that was fast
 
antitrop said:
I'm saying that it, in my opinion, it would have been more genuine for her to let someone else review the game and let her opinion on the art style be known through a blog post.

As a reader of Polygon, I do have a say in what I do and do not want to see in my video game reviews. If they don't respect my opinion, I'll read someone else.
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Of course you are right to go somewhere else if you don't like how someplace handles reviews. But, having just read their review (again, what a terrible website) I really don't understand what there is to be upset about.

Her main points:

Negatives:

  • generic fantasy tropes
  • repetitive structure
  • I was stuck replaying the same areas dozens of times
  • Most of the women in the game are barely clothed... presented as helpless objects, usually in need of rescue. It's obvious, one-sided and gross.

Positives:

  • The combat and wide variety of enemies
  • The (character) selection is well balanced for a variety of playstyles
  • enemy variety
  • especially well realized boss fights
  • gorgeous environments
  • detailed animation
  • fun mix of RPG tropes and dynamic brawler action

So, generic fantasy tropes, super repetitive, and bad/offensive art style (in her opinion). I can easily see why one would give it the okay score of a 6.5 based on those things.
 
AlucardGV said:
eh, yes. maybe because on internet everyone can write. but what's up with all those self proclamer reviever that write and says thigs like "this game should be thrown in space"
"suda51 you're finished", "this game is juvenile trash" "is teenager boy fantasy"?
just review the game, jeez
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Those are statements that review or commentate on the game, though.

Pirateking said:
There really is an explosion in this thread...

Out of you people, who is even buying the game?
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*raises hand*
 
Pirateking said:
There really is an explosion in this thread...

Out of you people, who is even buying the game?
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After watching this video I'm strongly considering it for PS3. Seeing previous discussions here using still images was one thing, but this looks ridiculously good in motion. Its got a very strong style, and the stronger the style the more likely it is to offend, but I'm not in that group. I love the way it looks and how it seems to play.
 
NullPointer said:
After watching this video I'm strongly considering it for PS3. Seeing previous discussions here using still images was one thing, but this looks ridiculously good in motion. Its got a very strong style, and the stronger the style the more likely it is to offend, but I'm not in that group. I love the way it looks and how it seems to play.
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Same. After watching the GB quicklook I'm pretty much sold, though I'll likely only play single player, or with one other person at most. It looks way too chaotic with max characters on screen.
 
This game has so much excess baggage in comparison to what influence it actually has on anything. I hope at least more people will be on the lookout for future Vanillaware games. Most of its Western buzz has been about larger controversy over the game itself.
 
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