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[A Human Becoming]

Joe Biden strategy for White House run taking shape

Meanwhile, Biden’s circle has identified what they see as their potential voting blocs: Reagan Democrats, Jews, an LGBT base that largely credits him with pushing President Barack Obama into supporting gay marriage, and Rust Belt voters.

Reagan Democrats? Huh, never heard of that term before but it makes sense with how much Reagan killed Mondale.

Jews? Sanders is a Jew.

Rust Belt is an interest proposition. I can see that.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I don't see a good reason Biden should not try, really. Voters seem to be tiring of the 'inevitable Clinton' narrative, which may be an opening, and history won't remember a failed primary campaign, so it's not as though he'd be tainting his legacy.

 

[FriedConsole]

I would support Biden. Mostly because I hate Hillary Clinton. Don't trust her as everything is bull shit that comes out of her mouth. She will win mostly by default because the Republicans are nothing but ass clowns. Would be nice to actually be excited about someone. I guess this is "democracy".

 

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...esidential-race-promises-one-term-121359.html

If Vice President Joe Biden makes the leap into the Democratic presidential race, he could promise that he would serve just one term in the White House, journalist and author Carl Bernstein said Friday.

“And one thing that I keep hearing about Biden is that if he were to declare and say, because age is such a problem for him if he does, I want to be a one-term president. I want to serve for four years, unite Washington. I’ve dealt with the Republicans in Congress all my public life,” Bernstein told CNN’s “New Day.”

“I think there’s a conversation going on to that effect among his aides and friends,” he said. “It could light fire to the current political environment.”

Bernstein suggested that the vice president stands to benefit the most from the current political environment as Hillary Clinton struggles to stem the tide of the ongoing scandal over her use of a private email server while at the State Department and poll numbers about her honesty and trustworthiness decline.

“He’s looking at it right now. His people believe he may do it. Some say yes, some say no. But the distrust factor with Hillary Clinton, the whole Trump excitement and bubble that will probably burst gives a great opportunity to Biden to capture the imagination of the press, of this race, of Democrats who don’t want to see Hillary Clinton, who are worried about the distrust factor with her,” Bernstein added.

 

[WickedCobra03]

Joe might be the one guy who can successfully combat the Trump style. Seriously.

Never underestimate a Trans Am man.

I would love to see Diamond Joe throw his hat in the ring!

 

[Cyan]

my wife and I were talking is this even possible.... Could Biden win and have Obama be his vice? Like is that possible... I know its probably not but talking about some hilarious Fuck you republicans moment.

No, that's not possible.

 

[chaosblade]

my wife and I were talking is this even possible.... Could Biden win and have Obama be his vice? Like is that possible... I know its probably not but talking about some hilarious Fuck you republicans moment.

The vice president has to be eligible to be president. Someone who has served two terms as president isn't eligible to be president.

 

[minor effort]

my wife and I were talking is this even possible.... Could Biden win and have Obama be his vice? Like is that possible... I know its probably not but talking about some hilarious Fuck you republicans moment.

Even if that were possible, I get the sense that Obama wants out as soon as his term is up.

 

[scabro]

4 years of Biden creepily whispering in the ear of the women around the world

 

[benjipwns]

4 years of Biden creepily whispering in the ear of the women around the world

Why does he need to be President to do this? He's Diamond Joe.

 

[PhoenixDark]

One term from Biden could be interesting or just republicans running out the clock for three years (the fourth year would be a lame duck period). He'd have to deal with a republican House and senate. I can imagine him getting some deals done with his republican buddies in the senate...but passing them in the House? Unlikely. It's not like republicans are going to suddenly start supporting infrastructure spending and all the other shit I'd imagine would be in his platform.

I like Biden and would consider voting for him over Sanders, and I do want to see Hillary get a decent challenge...but at the same time I feel like he might be doing this as a distraction from the pain he's going through. I hope that's not the case.

 

[kess]

figured not but man would that be awesome in its own way. role reversal

It would be better if Biden found a random dude named Barry Soetoro

 

[slabrock]

Would love 4 more years of Onion Biden

Very much so. RIP Worm

 

[RustyNails]

One term from Biden could be interesting or just republicans running out the clock for three years (the fourth year would be a lame duck period). He'd have to deal with a republican House and senate. I can imagine him getting some deals done with his republican buddies in the senate...but passing them in the House? Unlikely. It's not like republicans are going to suddenly start supporting infrastructure spending and all the other shit I'd imagine would be in his platform.

I like Biden and would consider voting for him over Sanders, and I do want to see Hillary get a decent challenge...but at the same time I feel like he might be doing this as a distraction from the pain he's going through. I hope that's not the case.

We also need a fail-safe if Hillary implodes.

 

[minor effort]

How would you even sell a 4 year commitment to voters and to the party?

I love Joe, but I want someone who's willing to be in it for two terms. Somebody who can work an incumbency advantage in 2020.

 

[rjinaz]

I would support Biden. Mostly because I hate Hillary Clinton. Don't trust her as everything is bull shit that comes out of her mouth. She will win mostly by default because the Republicans are nothing but ass clowns. Would be nice to actually be excited about someone. I guess this is "democracy".

Good news! His name is Bernie Sanders! Get excite!

 

[benjipwns]

How would you even sell a 4 year commitment to voters and to the party?

It used to be common. Ford even initially pledged not to run for re-election. Hayes and Polk both campaigned on a single term. It's supposed to signal a desire to merely offer service and not seek power for powers sake.

One reason nobody but Grant tried to break Washington's two term tradition before Teddy/Wilson/FDR. Grant's reputation got battered even more because of his attempt at it.

I love Joe, but I want someone who's willing to be in it for two terms. Somebody who can work an incumbency advantage in 2020.

Not a stopgap and someone younger in 2020 than Hillary and Sanders?

While the GOP trots out half of the same candidates or more.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Still like Sanders most, but Biden would be great. Just for being Biden alone.

Plus the Democrats will want a non-Sanders back up

 

[gogosox82]

It would be interesting if he ran but I'm not sure he will. I don't see him as guy who would want to challenge Hilary. I don't know if he would be willing to upset the establishment like that. I personally would like to see him run and be a good alternative to Hilary and Bernie since no one is talking about O'Malley, Webb, and Chafee.

 

[minor effort]

It used to be common. Ford even initially pledged not to run for re-election. Hayes and Polk both campaigned on a single term. It's supposed to signal a desire to merely offer service and not seek power for powers sake.

One reason nobody but Grant tried to break Washington's two term tradition before Teddy/Wilson/FDR. Grant's reputation got battered even more because of his attempt at it.

Ford is the only modern example of someone who entertained the idea, and that was likely due to the fact that he assumed the presidency in a rather unprecedented fashion. Never truly elected to the office by voters, and became president as a result of the only president to resign. Biden isn't coming into quite so unique circumstances. I would imagine in the modern electorate and party politics, candidates aspiring for two terms is seen as standard.

Not a stopgap and someone younger in 2020 than Hillary and Sanders?

While the GOP trots out half of the same candidates or more.

None of these candidates are ridiculously old. Not any older than McCain or Dole (okay yeah, they both lost).

 

[Bodacious]

I hope he takes votes from Clinton.

I hope he takes the nomination from Clinton. I like Bernie, but if he were elected it would just be 4 years of stalemate with Congress. I think Biden has a better chance of making positive things happen than any candidate running. He's got roots in the Senate and you can tell he's a born schmooze. He's likable.

 

[Ecotic]

Not a stopgap and someone younger in 2020 than Hillary and Sanders?

While the GOP trots out half of the same candidates or more.

It's a high risk, high reward move. If Democrats can get someone young and talented into office to succeed Biden in 2020 then the move pays off as they'll have the incumbency advantage in 2024. If the move fails we'll have squandered the incumbency advantage in 2020.

 

[benjipwns]

Biden would obviously be picking an actual "Obama heir apparent" VP and running on continuing the Obama record. Then in 2020 you get whoever that is plus a larger field of decent Democratic candidates (since people like Cory Booker, Gillibrand or whoever else Democrats love can actually run then) instead of a Hillary coronation parade.

I think it's the best anti-Hillary covert Obama "team" move you could plausibly put on the table.

No idea what Biden's favorables look like though.

 

[Stumpokapow]

No, that's not possible.

Although most constitutional scholars believe it is not possible, it remains to be tested in court. The wording on the 22nd is loose enough that a court could interpret it either way--"no person shall be elected to the office of President more than twice ..."

It is not clear if the eligibility clause in the 22nd and the eligibility clause in the 12th would work together that way.

Again, the viewpoint you're conveying is the majority viewpoint. But to my understand it's not set in stone or disambiguated by any court.

My great concern is on the ambiguity surrounding the natural-born requirement and how it applies to Cruz. One downside of bouncing all the birther lawsuits is that we never resolved the constitutional question it would have posed had Obama been born abroad to a U.S. mother. Most people seem to think Cruz should be eligible because although he was born abroad, he was eligible for citizenship at birth. I'm more than a little concerned about the possibility he's a Manchurian Candidate for Commonwealth interests.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

I hope he takes the nomination from Clinton. I like Bernie, but if he were elected it would just be 4 years of stalemate with Congress. I think Biden has a better chance of making positive things happen than any candidate running. He's got roots in the Senate and you can tell he's a born schmooze. He's likable.

I thought at least some Republicans see Bernie as a good guy to talk to for things in Senate and Congress?

That's something I read over here, so I'm kinda lost on American politics, when it comes to reputation of certain people.

 

[benjipwns]

My great concern is on the ambiguity surrounding the natural-born requirement and how it applies to Cruz. One downside of bouncing all the birther lawsuits is that we never resolved the constitutional question it would have posed had Obama been born abroad to a U.S. mother. Most people seem to think Cruz should be eligible because although he was born abroad, he was eligible for citizenship at birth. I'm more than a little concerned about the possibility he's a Manchurian Candidate for Commonwealth interests.

If Orly Tatiz, Donald Trump, Larry Klayman and Sumpokapow all agree, it must be true.

 

[Ecotic]

Biden would obviously be picking an actual "Obama heir apparent" VP and running on continuing the Obama record. Then in 2020 you get whoever that is plus a larger field of decent Democratic candidates (since people like Cory Booker, Gillibrand or whoever else Democrats love can actually run then) instead of a Hillary coronation parade.

I think it's the best anti-Hillary covert Obama "team" move you could plausibly put on the table.

No idea what Biden's favorables look like though.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/joe-biden-favorable-rating

Decent, but only recently because of sympathy over his son. Historically, Biden tends to drag 5 or so points behind Obama.

Biden is risky to run in the general. He's generally never been as popular as Obama and Obama himself is usually stuck in this awkward limbo area of not being popular, but not being unpopular either.

 

[benjipwns]

I'd like to see polling on The Onion's version.

And also if he's called "Diamond Joe" Biden.

We can still make this work and reclaim our rightful lands to the north.

 

[Stumpokapow]

If Orly Tatiz, Donald Trump, Larry Klayman and Sumpokapow all agree, it must be true.

I'll have you know that millions of independent American patriots are worried about this country being taken over by the foreign menace, and we will not be silenced. Also taxes are unconstitutional.

 

[AlphaSnake]

I want Al Gore to run again...

The man is brilliant.

 

[Dicktatorship]

If it's just him and Trump the general election would boil down to a republican and a walking bottle of fake tan spray with a toupee precariously resting on top.

 

[Futurematic]

Ford is the only modern example of someone who entertained the idea

McCain strongly considered it.

I think it'd be a terrible idea because instant lame duck status, but you never know.

 

[Wag]

Hillary is so boring.

I would vote for Diamond Joe just for the gifs. 😀

 

[Bluekaveli]

Hopefully he pulls a fast one and decided to be VP instead.

 

[Kamaji]

Wouldn't he be past 75 when stepping into office?

 

[soleil]

Wouldn't he be past 75 when stepping into office?

And still more hip than Hillary "just chillin."

 

[SolarMystic]

Everyone kinda wants to see him debate Trump, basically.

Oh yes... We need this!

 

[Kathian]

I like Biden. But seriously is there anyone not currently eligible for social security running?

Pure ageism. Biden is a good choice and I think the only one who will comfortably beat the Republican candidate (its going to be Trump).

 

[benjipwns]

Wouldn't he be past 75 when stepping into office?

74. That would make him the oldest inaugurated President, but Reagan was 74+ for all of his second term almost. (Except for the first two weeks.)

Lifespans are getting longer too. Other than LBJ and JFK (unique circumstances for the last one) all the Presidents since FDR have lived to be at least 78 (Eisenhower). Between Buchanan (1856) and Hoover (1928) only one President went past 72 (Taft) though Cleveland hit 71. (Not counting W., Clinton and Obama obviously. W. is actually older than Bill by a month and a half.)

Nixon - 81
Truman (2016!) - 88
Hoover - 90
Carter - coming up on 91 if he makes it another 53 days
H.W. Bush - 91
Reagan - 93
Ford - 93

W. Bush - 69
Clinton - will be 69 on Wednesday

Though there was something in the water in the 1700s:
Jefferson - 83
Madison - 85
Adams - 90

Q. Adams also hit 80, Jackson hit 78, Van Buren almost got to 80, short by a couple months. Buchanan was the last President born in the 1700s and he hit 77.

 

[Fox Mulder]

would love if he ran. I'll vote for hillary if I have to, but would prefer anyone else. I don't like how after two terms of Obama, and how he won the nomination in the first place, we're supposed to just crown Hillary with little debate or competition.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

would love if he ran. I'll vote for hillary if I have to, but would prefer anyone else. I don't like how after two terms of Obama, and how he won the nomination in the first place, we're supposed to just crown Hillary with little debate or competition.

She's earned this. Just sit down and let her rule.