andthebeatgoeson
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Give her time. In 6 months everyone will be asking for her. If age isn't a factor and the young Democratic selection is weak, why not her?
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Joe Biden predicts he will run for president in 2020, but not yet 'committed'
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
True even if he loses he could act as a primary gate keeper giving his support to the best candidate in the field
Aaron Strife
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Maybe they'll actually win California too!
Yellowflashdude
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These presidential nominees keep getting older.
VendettaRed07
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It depends on why the economy doesn't hold up. I hate doing this so far out but...
If Trump does fill the swamp with lobbyists and billionaires and spends the next four years bankrupting us with corporate welfare she is likely the best we have. She has far more political capitol to attack this issue than Hillary ever did and she barely lost the states she needed. She's a firebrand and actually goes on the attack instead of sitting back and taking the hits from Trump and the GOP.
ClosingADoor
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While I like Biden, I hope they can find someone good to run who is in his/her 40s or 50s.
StoppedInTracks
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What if Hillary runs again?
What could possibly go wrong?
VendettaRed07
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She won't .. but if she did she'd struggle to get a single vote.
Ok not really.. but seriously Would go absolutely nowhere in the primary. Like worse than Jeb!.. she lost to fucking Trump and needs to go away
TheWasTheJoke
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Why do people actually think Warren has a chance? Uncharismatic, shrill voice, part of the liberal 'elite'. It's pretty obvious from this whole debacle that if a minority group wishes to leader they need be the second coming of Jesus and Warren, even though she does good work, does not have the Persona.
It has to be Biden, Bernie or best yet a charismatic super electable young person who can stop Armageddon
It has to be Biden, Bernie or best yet a charismatic super electable young person who can stop Armageddon
entirely possible the trump administration will be such a tire fire a dog could be the dem nominee and win. really not worried whoever it is... yet.
i think joe should've been the guy in 2016... do a term to "see out" obama's agenda then pass it on. but the modern presidency is way too demanding on somebody in their mid 70s and i don't think that's an ageist assertion. and i think he'd be primaried anyway... last election made it pretty clear, people want a "reboot" for better or worse
i think joe should've been the guy in 2016... do a term to "see out" obama's agenda then pass it on. but the modern presidency is way too demanding on somebody in their mid 70s and i don't think that's an ageist assertion. and i think he'd be primaried anyway... last election made it pretty clear, people want a "reboot" for better or worse
VendettaRed07
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Shrill voice? Oh ffs. And if she isn't charismatic I'd like to know what literally every other democrat not named Obama is then.
Again no one is appointing her she's going to have to earn the nomination
I just don't think Elizabeth Warren would play well in the general and would easily be toppled by a populist demagogue like Trump. I like her, most liberals like her, but we're not looking at this from the perspective of a general electorate if we think she'd be a strong nominee.
We need a star or at least someone with some real charisma. Obama, Biden, Bill, etc.
We need a star or at least someone with some real charisma. Obama, Biden, Bill, etc.
Speaking as somebody who is looking to be swayed in 2020 by a Democrat that isn't part of the echo chamber, Warren wouldn't be somebody I'd be happy with. She seems like a true progressive, which while great for the average GAFer, would be a hard sell for a many Americans who aren't on board with the hard left.
TheWasTheJoke
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It's intentionally sexist, we on GAF can get past basic stuff like that but we have to recognise that in many ways America is still a very backwards country and stuff like that is a turn-off for your 60 year old Pennsylvanian builder
In 2020 we could nominate a transgender person, which while a positive step forward for thr LGBTI community, would also likely aid a Trump re-election which would in turn have demonstrably larger harms on minority groups
Dems need to be pragmatic and get rid of their moral superiority boner and nominate someone who will acually win
I don't think political positions or other facty things matter much in the general. It's all based on the personality. Warren being very progressive isn't the reason I don't think she'd play well in the general. It's her just not having a lot of charisma or star quality.
Doesn't matter. VP pick doesn't matter.
I argue against that point prior to this election, but Trump kind of tosses the idea that issues matter out of the window.
Frankfurter
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He really seems a little too old for that by then.
Good Job Bob
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I think Al Franken makes a lot of sense, hope he gives it a go.
VendettaRed07
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If people are tired of the old guard the only young candidate I can see emerging out of the primary against the candidates who will likely run would be Tulsi Gabbard
I get it. I know gaf hates her and I have a lot of issues with some of her history but she has a lot of upside that I can see playing in her favor. The base loves her and if we learned anything this election it's that people will look past the facts and actual history as long as they like somebody.. and I think the "I supported Bernie and railed against the DNC because I saw what was wrong with the party and establishment" will be an effective "I told you so" moment that will play really well in the early states like Iowa and New Hampshire. I can see it being similar to Obamas Iraq war vote and her beating everyone else who supported Hillary over the head with it. That may not work with everyone but it may be useful early on when it matters. She has military experience which may be useful especially in regards to if Trump fucks up badly foreign policy wise.
I wouldn't be crazy about it and I'm not sure if she can win the whole primary but in regards to younger candidates who have the potential to be a big factor in 2020 I don't see anyone else in the picture at this moment
I get it. I know gaf hates her and I have a lot of issues with some of her history but she has a lot of upside that I can see playing in her favor. The base loves her and if we learned anything this election it's that people will look past the facts and actual history as long as they like somebody.. and I think the "I supported Bernie and railed against the DNC because I saw what was wrong with the party and establishment" will be an effective "I told you so" moment that will play really well in the early states like Iowa and New Hampshire. I can see it being similar to Obamas Iraq war vote and her beating everyone else who supported Hillary over the head with it. That may not work with everyone but it may be useful early on when it matters. She has military experience which may be useful especially in regards to if Trump fucks up badly foreign policy wise.
I wouldn't be crazy about it and I'm not sure if she can win the whole primary but in regards to younger candidates who have the potential to be a big factor in 2020 I don't see anyone else in the picture at this moment
VendettaRed07
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There are many reasons why Hillary lost but this is an over simplification and ruling out any women from being in the picture is a premise I'm not willing to accept.
It's completely legitimate to point out the hurdles a woman has to overcome. It's not a coincidence the US is very far behind when it comes to women in politics.
That doesn't stop a great candidate, but it may be enough to question someone with issues.
gutter_trash
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i saw the video and the audio.
what I get is that he will step forward if nobody else does.
what I get is that he will step forward if nobody else does.
VendettaRed07
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Every candidate is going to have issues and I'm not doubting there are more obstacles. But there were also obstacles in being black and ruling out Obama because of that and going with John Edwards or something based on that alone wouldn't have been a good idea
We need to ride the wave of whatever candidate has the momentum and support.. and is pushing all the right buttons.
I think the fact that Hillary ran a poor campaign thinking all she had to do was appeal to white suburban mothers with "think of the children" ads, a dubious history with corporations and wallstreet.. being under investigation by the FBI and had more money in negative ads spent against her over the span of 40 years had more to do with her loss than her voice or whatever.
Frankly these all seem like guaranteed losers. I'd love for experience and qualifications to matter more than charisma and personality, but that's just not what voters respond to. Especially Democratic voters.
VendettaRed07
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Oh god Malloy... a poverty O'Malley without the abs.
Dwayne Johnson or John Cena please.
VendettaRed07
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This is also true. Hillary could not make herself an extension of Obama no matter how hard she and everyone else tried.. including Obama himself. We didn't have a real link like Reagan had Papa Bush to get the third term
Naw I'm good. No thank you on Biden or Bernie. Instead how about those two dudes spend the next several years vetting new candidates. Go town to town helping set up movements and mentoring new leaders so that our small government has plenty of competent and impassioned people who can grow to take over big government as well.
gutter_trash
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Hillary would have been better since she is more Liberal and Progressive on domestic issues.
but that discussion is over, she isn't coming back
There is absolutely no chance that Warren gets the nomination, much less have any chance to win. She is the dream candidate for many here on GAF, but she would never be someone that could win a Presidential election. To even think that to me is mind boggling after that Clinton loss.
The only one of the old guard that would have even a remote chance would be Biden, and I think he will just have too much on the age front against him in 4-8 years. That isn't going to happen. He should have tossed his name in this last election season. He could have won, he is the only one of them that could have possibly defeated Trump. I think he ultimately decided against it because a part of him truly wanted Clinton to get it. It was a fatal mistake for him.
Whoever gets the nomination to take on Trump in four years will not bee some sort of far left progressive. If the Democrats offer up someone in that vein in four years, they will be easily defeated unless the entire country from financial and national security and all else in between is in shambles. If they actually think that is going to win them an election right now, they will be dealt another bitter defeat.
They need to find an experienced, charismatic, left leaning moderate if they want to have a shot at preventing Trump from getting 8 years. I don't think they will decide to go that direction though. You can already see them setting the stage in these incredibly early moments setting them up for eventual failure. I can't believe the road they are getting ready to go down. It's almost as if they are putting all of their money on Trump just failing on all levels and expecting it to just be handed to them in 2020 no matter who they put up against him. I don't think they learned their lesson at all.
Calamari41
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Not very charismatic either.
People downplay what a force of nature Obama and his personality are and were. To have the approval ratings he has while at the same time seeing the kind of "nation is on the wrong track" numbers that we are seeing speaks to a once in a generation personality.
swarley64
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Yes... I'm sorry I like Joe, but that is pretty goddamn old to be starting the hardest, most demanding job in the world.
Skellig Gra
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No thanks, we need fresh blood.
From where? There is no fresh blood that's the problem.
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