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Joe Biden predicts he will run for president in 2020, but not yet 'committed'

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AngmarsKing701

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He'd be getting ready to be inaugurated in a month if he'd run this year and forced Hillary to face the fact that she is a toxic mess.

Instead we get him trying to take a mulligan so that he can take over the smoking crater Trump leaves behind.
 
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Xe4

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Yeah, like I said, he's going to be 78. I would've voted for him this primary (though I preferred Hillary's policies, he wouldve been more likely to win), but he'll be too old in 2020, we need some new blood to come in. Same with Bernie running, no thanks.

That said, if he's the best option, I'll vote for him, and if it's him vs Trump, I'll definetly vote for him.
 
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LaNaranja

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Joe is too old and as funny as his memes are his policies aren't great. Someone young and charismatic with a solid record like Xavier Becerra would do a great job energizing people to go out and vote.

Edit: Just realized he is 58. Still younger than Bernie and Biden.
 
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kevin1025

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If Trump makes it four years, and that's a big if, his followers will have fallen off by that point.

Let the Biden run. Let him soar.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Aaronology said:
On the flip side, and at the risk of going against my opinion already expressed in this thread: if gut feelings and Biden's stardom is what gets people on the left who don't give a shit about policy (and his political history) out to vote the same way their counterparts on the right do, so be it.

But the general response in this thread and by many liberals reacting to this news sort of makes all the complaining from the Left wrt/Clinton sound incredibly hollow in hindsight (especially in her relation to Sanders).
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I agree, I just laugh at people seeing "Diamond Joe" as some sort of savior/messiah but say Hillary is too center/right, when Joe Biden is like unarguably right to her and has been since forever. Hell I'm pretty sure Joe is to the right of Obama.
 
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Frozenprince

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Angelus Errare said:
I agree, I just laugh at people seeing "Diamond Joe" as some sort of savior/messiah but say Hillary is too center/right, when Joe Biden is like unarguably right to her and has been since forever. Hell I'm pretty sure Joe is to the right of Obama.
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Joe is as close to a viable centrist candidate as we'll likely see for some time.

Which is why I like him lol.
 
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Sesha

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Seems a bit unwise to me to announce that you'll be running, as it gives the GOP four years to plan an attack. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but after this year, who wouldn't be at least a little bit paranoid?

Slayven said:
So the Office of President for now on will just be who is charming enough and hope they can carry their party in?
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The President is the Prom King of the US.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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What Biden has that Hillary didn't is much less baggage, and much more likability. This election cycle blew things up. The strategy going forward is for the Presidential candidate to just be the "face" of the party while the unlikable people who pull the strings are behind the scenes. This is why I am supporting Dwayne Johnson in 2020.
 
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funkystudent

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Love this dude but this was his chance and he let it go.

Being a 80 year old president is one hell of a up hill battle that I dont think anyone could win.
 
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Frozenprince

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Ninja Scooter said:
What Biden has that Hillary didn't is much less baggage, and much more likability. This election cycle blew things up. The strategy going forward is for the Presidential candidate to just be the "face" of the party while the unlikable people who pull the strings are behind the scenes. This is why I am supporting Dwayne Johnson in 2020.
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The Rock is a republican.

We need this man to save us:

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Brakke

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Sesha said:
Seems a bit unwise to me to announce that you'll be running, as it gives the GOP four years to plan an attack. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but after this year, who wouldn't be at least a little bit paranoid?
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This is Trump's same kind of "I'm not announcing my Syria plan because I don't want them to know it!" nonsense. Our major political parties are rather sophisticated. It's not like the GOP doesn't *already* have a file of Joe Biden opposition research.

Joe isn't some surprise out-of-nowhere guy. And his strategy wouldn't require any advantage of being a surprise out-of-nowhere guy anyway.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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Frozenprince said:
Quick, name another viable Democratic presidential candidate that's under 70, without googling it.

Go.
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Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Elizabeth Warren
Michelle Obama
Gavin Newsom
Eric Garcetti
Tom Perez


And before you suggest any of them aren't "viable", remember who just won the presidency.
 
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watershed

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I wish he had run this year. Democrats needed a more competitive primary with more options. I still dislike that the Clinton camp froze out the competition and everyone banked on Hillary being unbeatable in the GE.
 
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NyMartin90 said:
Another person of the establishment, I think the DNC has to try a little harder now with the shifting bases.
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The biggest mistake people are making over the loss of this election to Trump is that they are actually buying into the bs that they want to tell us is responsible for why he was elected in the first place. Hillary was just a bad candidate, and Trump and his team were able to exploit that enough to steal a victory that not a single one of them remotely saw coming. Any statement to the contrary is all false bravado to hide the real truth: just about everyone, including Donald Trump himself, fully went into election night believing he was going to lose, and possibly lose bad. At best they hoped things would be competitive.

It has nothing to do with establishment this, establishment that. Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate that was undone largely by her inability to properly connect or identify with voters. Her message was a weak one. There were way too many issues that could have been used to her advantage that were simply left on the table because her and her team's attitude was more or less, 'lol we're competing against Donald Trump. we got this."

Some in Trump's circle have pointed to the real reasons Hillary lost, but don't think for a second think that this whole anti-establishment thing holds any real water. We had a flawed and ineffective candidate in a year where Democrats should have coasted to the Presidency.
 
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Back-In-Black

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SenjutsuSage said:
The biggest mistake people are making over the loss of this election to Trump is that they are actually buying into the bs that they want to tell us is responsible for why he was elected in the first place. Hillary was just a bad candidate, and Trump and his team were able to exploit that enough to steal a victory that not a single one of them remotely saw coming. Any statement to the contrary is all false bravado to hide the real truth: just about everyone, including Donald Trump himself, fully went into election night believing he was going to lose, and possibly lose bad. At best they hoped things would be competitive.

It has nothing to do with establishment this, establishment that. Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate that was undone largely by her inability to properly connect or identify with voters. Her message was a weak one. There were way too many issues that could have been used to her advantage that were simply left on the table because her and her team's attitude was more or less, 'lol we're competing against Donald Trump. we got this."

Some in Trump's circle have pointed to the real reasons Hillary lost, but don't think for a second think that this whole anti-establishment thing holds any real water. We had a flawed and ineffective candidate in a year where Democrats should have coasted to the Presidency.
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Exactly.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Frozenprince said:
Quick, name another viable Democratic presidential candidate that's under 70, without googling it.

Go.
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Kamala Harris
Corey Booker
Tulsi Gabbard*
Tammy Duckworth (Since Republicans ain't shit, I'm sure they'd shit on her prosthetics constantly...but will turn around and swear they're for the vets)


*My personal choice I really like many of her views. My favorite statement she has made was on the "issue" of same sex marriage where she said something to the affect of "We represent the people not a small group who use religion to justify their homophobia." Though I don't think she's big on single payer healthcare =\. Oh GAF should love her, she is like staunchly against TPP and has even gone to protests against it. That's right a politician went out and protested with common folk.

I don't think/want Elizabeth Warren running, I think where she is is really beneficial for the DNC.

OrangeGrayBlue said:
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Elizabeth Warren
Michelle Obama
Gavin Newsom
Eric Garcetti
Tom Perez


And before you suggest any of them aren't "viable", remember who just won the presidency.
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No to Michelle.
 
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Frozenprince

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Angelus Errare said:
Kamala Harris
Corey Booker
Tulsi Gabbard*
Tammy Duckworth (Since Republicans ain't shit, I'm sure they'd shit on her prosthetics constantly...but will turn around and swear they're for the vets)


*My personal choice I really like many of her views. My favorite statement she has made was on the "issue" of same sex marriage where she said something to the affect of "We represent the people not a small group who use religion to justify their homophobia." Though I don't think she's big on single payer healthcare =\. Oh GAF should love her, she is like staunchly against TPP and has even gone to protests against it. That's right a politician went out and protested with common folk.

I don't think/want Elizabeth Warren running, I think where she is is really beneficial for the DNC.
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OrangeGrayBlue said:
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Elizabeth Warren
Michelle Obama
Gavin Newsom
Eric Garcetti
Tom Perez


And before you suggest any of them aren't "viable", remember who just won the presidency.
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All solid primary candidates.

I can't see any of them drawing enough of the "economically disenfranchised" (coughwhitepeoplecough) vote to take a General, but 2019-20 primaries should at least be fun.

I just don't see any way that Warren doesn't emerge since she's being groomed already to run.
 
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Finalizer

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SenjutsuSage said:
It has nothing to do with establishment this, establishment that.
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Eh, I wouldn't say that. One of Trump's major shticks - bullshit as it was and still is - was painting himself as an outsider, that he'd "drain the swamp" and all that. From that angle, it was easy to slam Hillary with things like NAFTA, where she's the one merrily sending your jobs overseas and doesn't actually care for the working class. It's not dissimilar to the angle Obama used against her in the 2008 primary, and all the more frustrating that it worked here what with the polls not pointing to any need to course-correct - though there's plenty of argument that the polls being remotely close was a failure in itself anyway.

Whoever runs in 2020 needs to be careful about his image regarding establishment, genuineness, and the like. I don't think it needs to be a full-on Bernie-tier far-left candidate, but perhaps someone willing to embrace a similar rhetoric and can actually sell it.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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Frozenprince said:
All solid primary candidates.

I can't see any of them drawing enough of the "economically disenfranchised" (coughwhitepeoplecough) vote to take a General, but 2019-20 primaries should at least be fun.

I just don't see any way that Warren doesn't emerge since she's being groomed already to run.
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Trump got less of the white vote than Romney did. We don't need to win over white voters, we just need a candidate that inspires everyone else to show up.
 
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Blader

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xtrasauce said:
Nah, the Democratic primary was not even close to the shit show that the Republican primary was this year. But in 2020, I expect the Democrats to ramp up the insanity.
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So, again, a regular Democratic primary.

I would hate for people to think that just because the next primary will have no obvious choice, that it suddenly means it's going to be a crazy, clownshoes bloodbath, as if all primaries with multiple contenders is some abnormal, dangerous thing.

Frozenprince said:
All solid primary candidates.

I can't see any of them drawing enough of the "economically disenfranchised" (coughwhitepeoplecough) vote to take a General, but 2019-20 primaries should at least be fun.

I just don't see any way that Warren doesn't emerge since she's being groomed already to run.
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Obama got enough of those white voters to win two general elections. It's plenty doable; the winning strategy is right there. Hillary didn't lost because she neglected whites in favor of the Obama coalition, she lost because her campaign neglected the fact that a certain degree of whites were a part of that coalition in the first place.
 
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Back-In-Black

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Finalizer said:
Eh, I wouldn't say that. One of Trump's major shticks - bullshit as it was and still is - was painting himself as an outsider, that he'd "drain the swamp" and all that. From that angle, it was easy to slam Hillary with things like NAFTA, where she's the one merrily sending your jobs overseas and doesn't actually care for the working class. It's not dissimilar to the angle Obama used against her in the 2008 primary, and all the more frustrating that it worked here what with the polls not pointing to any need to course-correct - though there's plenty of argument that the polls being remotely close was a failure in itself anyway.

Whoever runs in 2020 needs to be careful about his image regarding establishment, genuineness, and the like. I don't think it needs to be a full-on Bernie-tier far-left candidate, but perhaps someone willing to embrace a similar rhetoric and can actually sell it.
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Nah man, none of that mattered. After all, Trump freely admitted to exploiting the political swamp for his own economic gain. Nobody really gave a shit about that stuff, it was just something to hit Hilary with. If that didn't exist he'd just slam her with something else and the droves would follow. Also, the fact that Hillary allowed Trump to paint NAFTA in a completely bad light when the 90's was basically the land of milk and honey told me all I needed to know about her as a candidate.
 
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Ashby

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There's a part of me that's mad at Joe for not running. Abandoning his civil duty to us or something. But I quickly realize that that's stupid and nobody saw just how bad of a candidate Hilary really was until it was too late.
 
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