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Joe Biden predicts he will run for president in 2020, but not yet 'committed'
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Dreams-Visions
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Diamond Joe should have run THIS YEAR. Damnit.
Bama told him no.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If the economy doesn't hold up for the rural working class (and I don't think it will), Biden is the exact type of candidate to reach those people. Warren, as much as I love her, is not that person.
CrunchyFrog
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Sell Pepe memes, buy Biden memes!
It would be deeply hilarious if 2020 democratic list is Biden, Clinton, and Sanders
Clinton is over, she's damaged goods after this election. Bernie will be nearly 80, so if Biden's age is already a factor then his most certainly will be. Biden's not a bad choice, but Dems would do well to get some fresh blood in the race given the outcome here in 2016.
old manatee
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I'm not a big fan of Biden, but I hope a bunch of people run. The Democratic primary wouldn't have turned into a civil war if there had been more than 2 serious candidates.
KO Traveling Hobo
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A lot of people saw it. Just not the people that mattered.
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Gabbard's stances against homophobia, theocracy, and the north dakota pipeline are fantastic, but her belief that Obama hasn't been dropping nearly enough bombs on the Middle East is really awful.
oneofthose
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Were they not burying sanders for being too old?
It's been a month since the election, you're not going to see any real presidential prospects for a year or two. There are a handful of exciting and potentially promising names out there that are going to be taking the time to build themselves a national profile now.
Think back: who saw Trump or Bernie coming this year? Who saw Obama coming in 2008? A month after the '04 election, Dems were seeing '08 as between Edwards and Hillary. Candidates will emerge naturally, seemingly out of nowhere.
Don't candidates running against a sitting president usually suck? I feel like true top tier politicians generally avoid running against a sitting president and sitting presidents generally win re-election historically. Even recently I'm thinking of Dole, Kerry, and Romney. They're either 2nd chancers or old and boring. Joe would be a very old 3rd? 4th? chancer.
Clinton, Reagan.
Dash_Riprock
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Twilight Gap
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He was biden his time.
Yes I'm aware but I'm pretty sure history is on the side of sitting presidents and that top tier candidates generally avoid going against sitting presidents because the voting public has a history of "not wanting to switch horses midway through a stream."
The only way I see Trump losing in 2020 is if the global economy collapses and he gets blamed for it (which I don't see how considering where all of the world's economics problems are right now). Joe is everything that Trump campaigned against this election without Joe having that potential historical factor that Clinton had going for her this time.
In 2020, Trump's "probably" going to have financial institutions on his side which he didn't have this time, so that's going to make it a lot harder for anyone to beat him.
In 2020, Trump's "probably" going to have financial institutions on his side which he didn't have this time, so that's going to make it a lot harder for anyone to beat him.
Aaron Strife
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Gabbard is a huckster. No. Not in a million years.
Anyone who tried to stick Hillary on waffling on gay marriage does not get to prop up Gabbard as the party standard bearer. She's also rampantly Islamophobic *still*.
95% of her support comes from the mindset of "durr Bernie good Hillary bad." Let's just nominate Collin Peterson then.
Anyone who tried to stick Hillary on waffling on gay marriage does not get to prop up Gabbard as the party standard bearer. She's also rampantly Islamophobic *still*.
95% of her support comes from the mindset of "durr Bernie good Hillary bad." Let's just nominate Collin Peterson then.
Aaronology
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You guys are really persistent on making this a narrative while completely ignoring Clinton was the presumed frontrunner against Obama as well. If any other person wanted the nomination this cycle they should have fought for and won the damn thing the same way our current President did 8 years ago. People like me who voted for Clinton during the primary and opponents like Bernie and that other dude who failed to convince us to do otherwise are more to blame than the DNC in this regard.
Let it go.
FDR, Clinton and Reagan are 3 of the most popular modern presidents, and they all won against sitting incumbent presidents. GWB and his father are not very popular even though both avoided running against a sitting president. 70 percent of Presidents since 1825 have failed to win two consecutive terms.
I wouldn't rely on history as a predictor for Presidential outcomes or strategies in any case. The modern electoral process is very different.
davepoobond
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Is that true? I'm unfamiliar with that stat. Concerning Joe, I don't think he would be a top-tier candidate. Although a popular democrat, him running reminds me of Kerry in 2004. Not that Trump isn't also old. There was an article a while back about Joe Biden and his popularity in the democratic party and his working class appeal and it ended by arguing that if Joe Biden was ever as popular with democrats, working class white voters, and dyed-in-the-wool liberals he would have already been president now. But for whatever reason, real Joe Biden running isn't as appealing as imagined Joe Biden running.
As much as I feel that Biden would be a decent candidate, I don't think running a White House democrat is a good idea.
Since JFK every single Democrat president has either been a governor or a senator. The only exception has been Lyndon B Johnson who only became president because JFK was assassinated.
List of Democratic candidate winners and their previous positions since 1961
John F Kennedy - Senator
Lyndon B Johnson - Vice President (became President due to JFK's death)
Jimmy Carter - Governor
Bill Clinton - Governor
Barack Obama - Senator
List of Democratic candidate losers and their previous positions since 1961
Hubert Humphrey - Vice President
Jimmy Carter - Incumbent President (had a pretty terrible term as President)
Walter Mondale - Vice President
Al Gore - Vice President
John Kerry - Senator
Hillary Clinton - Secretary of State
It seems clear to me that we need a popular Governor or young Senator that can credibly run as someone not part of the establishment and who is not yet tainted with with the charge of corruption.
Since JFK every single Democrat president has either been a governor or a senator. The only exception has been Lyndon B Johnson who only became president because JFK was assassinated.
List of Democratic candidate winners and their previous positions since 1961
John F Kennedy - Senator
Lyndon B Johnson - Vice President (became President due to JFK's death)
Jimmy Carter - Governor
Bill Clinton - Governor
Barack Obama - Senator
List of Democratic candidate losers and their previous positions since 1961
Hubert Humphrey - Vice President
Jimmy Carter - Incumbent President (had a pretty terrible term as President)
Walter Mondale - Vice President
Al Gore - Vice President
John Kerry - Senator
Hillary Clinton - Secretary of State
It seems clear to me that we need a popular Governor or young Senator that can credibly run as someone not part of the establishment and who is not yet tainted with with the charge of corruption.
shinra-bansho
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Not sure if serious.
Haha. Also not sure if serious.
Of all the reasons Biden didn't run, that was not one.
Bonen no Max'd
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This list of losers leaves out McGovern and Dukakis, a young senator and a popular governor.
That said, Biden 2020 is still a bad idea.
JimmySlippers
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He can run if he wants. We need as many people as possible being in the Democratic Primaries and we need to find and choose the best candidate out of many. Then campaign vigorously.
Electric Eye
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Joe will only be viable if these populist mouth breathers realize how much they fucked up and have another "What the fuck have I done" moment like they did with W. otherwise its going to take a counter left populist running to get anyone interested i.e Bernie.
Stumpokapow
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there's basically nothing in common between all of these people except that they're famous, one is a state rep for one of the bottom 10 most relevant states, and two are senators with literally 0 days of job experience. the party can do better--and I have no idea why Obama getting elected with almost 0 experience was enough for people to decide the job qualification is "D party label and famous enough to be on the radar". We reap what we sow, since now Republicans also think that the extent of the job qualifications for cabinet is "probably voted for the nominee".
Duckworth was in the House, and I don't think there is too much difference besides prestige between what you do in the House and Senate.
If a candidate can connect with voters, despite experience, I don't think it is that big of an issue, especially when voters are very receptive to attacks on establishment experience.
Senate gives you way more exposure, resources, access, etc. It also proves you can win a larger campaign, given the safe/gerrymandered districts and such. A candidate coming out of the house would be...unlikely.
Stumpokapow
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I don't think we should be encouraging people who have served 18 months in the Senate to gear up for a presidential campaign. I think we should encourage them to gather records of service on committees, policy competency, and legislative records. Obama was absolutely underqualified for the presidency and that has given others the false impression that qualification doesn't matter just because he turned out right.
For actual names I think are poised to do something in 2020, here are some I'd float:
Gov: Hickenlooper, Bullock, Brown, and Malloy
Sen: Bennet, Klobuchar, *sigh* Booker, Gillibrand, Brown, Kaine, Cantwell, Warner, arguably Baldwin, and I'd have said Kaine but I sense the party wants to distance themselves from 2016.
Of the Obama cabinet, I think Duncan, Lynch, Rice, and Sollis could get there some day but won't be ready for 2020. I can't think of anyone in the house. There are a handful of ex-govs and ex-sens I think are well poised. Deliberately picked all people well under the age of retirement too, for bonus hip with the kids appeal.
Eh, the next democratic president will be someone we have yet to hear about.
Next time we will have a chance of winning is 2024, the country will do well in the next 4 years (not because of Trump mind you), well enough that he will the same people will come out to vote for him against some random establishment Democrat.
Bonen no Max'd
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Virtually every successful Democratic candidate in the modern era has been young, except for LBJ, and aside from Obama, FDR and Carter both had only a single term as governor before becoming president. I'd like our next candidate to be qualified and display competency but I don't think experience is a premium.
Given the Dem's history? I don't think this is good advice. JFK, Clinton, and Obama all ran young. Having no record and a boat load of charisma is better than being a known quantity on the dems side. You can win as a known quantity, of course (LBJ, Carter, Biden, if he had run this year), but we're consistently seeing "nerds" with long histories in government getting beat down election after election.
The Maverick
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This is a good post, and I think the name that comes out of the primary is probably in here. Biden running in 2020 would not be a good idea at all. I would prefer someone younger, further on the left, with less political baggage. I personally think that people are wrong about the sudden "turn" against establishment candidates as well, but we'll see.
Ragnar Blackmane
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If Biden is 100% establishment, Trump is literally 10000% establishment. People will realize that soon enough when he starts making policy primarily profiting him and his family and corporate friends.
Sadly this.
Dems should have some celebrities running in 2020, remove the super-delegate system, make it easier to register democrat, make primaries open to unaffiliated voters and allow same day registration everywhere, remove caucuses and take a hard stance on money in politics instead of running the poster child of raising money from millionaire/billionaires.
I'm not holding my breath - hopefully Bernie will still be around to endorse my preferred candidate early on in the 2020 primary.
I'm not holding my breath - hopefully Bernie will still be around to endorse my preferred candidate early on in the 2020 primary.
I simply don't agree that lack of extensive political experience makes one underqualified, especially with how voters treat long and nuanced voting records, especially when you are part of the minority party and won't likely have many successful bills passed. The campaign platform should be the most important thing that voters focus on. I expect most of the Democratic candidates will campaign on platforms that are nearly identical. Also important is how the candidate runs their campaign--how a candidate excels or stumbles during the campaign period can be important, especially during the primary season. After that, it is just intangibles that voters concentrate on, and political experience can be a positive or negative intangible.
JoshuaJSlone
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Isaac Otherworld
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Barely. It's what happens when you let your entire party get routed on all fronts. There's so few young senators and governors because there are so few state and local people who are getting elected to office. There's no young blood because the party is lying unconscious in a ditch bleeding out.
I haven't read the entire thread, but who are legitimate contenders for 2020? I'm a registered Republican, but after the fiasco of the past six years, I'm either going independent or joining the Democrats if there is a nominee in 2020 I can get behind.
I'd support Biden (hell I would have happily voted for him this year) but he seems way too old to be a realistic candidate.
I'd support Biden (hell I would have happily voted for him this year) but he seems way too old to be a realistic candidate.
Isaac Otherworld
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Core Booker, Tim Kaine, and Kirsten Gillibrand are the front runners when it comes to DNC favorites. There's also others like Andrew Cuomo who've been eyeing a run for ages. All of them would be eaten alive by Trump.
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have not ruled out runs, despite their age and there's a large number of smaller named people that could run.
2020 could potentially be a 10+ person Clown Car the way the Republican Primary was.
YourMaster
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This is all caused by the typo in the US constitution. I'm pretty sure it meant to say that only people under the age of 35 are allowed to run for President.
Old people have their place, it's just that that's in a home talking to their grand kinds about the good old days.
Old people have their place, it's just that that's in a home talking to their grand kinds about the good old days.
I could see myself supporting Kaine, Gillibrand or Booker based on the rather superficial knowledge I have about their politics (all three seem to be more centrist like Democrats). Warren and Sanders are too progressive/populist for my tastes. Of course I can see a left wing populist vs Trump general election in 2020, so I might very well have nobody to support.
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