bitbydeath
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John being the main wouldn't have saved these awful films. His character was more interesting as a Storm Trooper, they should have reversed it and had him infiltrate the Storm Troopers instead of starting off as one.
John Boyega attacks Stars Wars fans for not wanting him as a hero
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ChuckeRearmed
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Rather than being a hero, wasn't the issue was that the clones supposed to be all the same and people expected the guy that looked like the guy from prequels?
Donald mac Ronald
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The storm troopers in the OG trilogy weren't clones.
Maybe originally Lucas had that in mind when Leia comments on Luke's height. Him being short wouldn't be an issue if they aren't clones.
However in the end star wars lore was something like it was way to expensive to grow, train and maintain a clone army. They had shorter life expectancy too.
Far cheaper to just recruit stormtroopers after the clone wars. At the end of the day being a storm trooper was probably seen as an easy pay day. You were joining the side that already effectively controlled the galaxy .
The storm troopers in the sequel trilogy had some stupid lore how they were all kidnapped kids and programme to be killers.
FeralEcho
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Do these actors not realize the fanbase is not some hivemind? We all have our own opinions,just because some fans express their beliefs in an ugly manner doesn't mean we all share that sentiment but nice of him to ruin my respect for him as an actor and person if this is the way he acts...
I personally thought he was gonna be the main Jedi when the trailers dropped and thought he was much better than Rey in TFA but whatever...to the actor garbage bin with you from now on. The bin keeps getting bigger.
I personally thought he was gonna be the main Jedi when the trailers dropped and thought he was much better than Rey in TFA but whatever...to the actor garbage bin with you from now on. The bin keeps getting bigger.
near
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I think you've completely taken the conversation off the rails from the original article. So I want to bring it back to the actual point.So, the counter argument is that he wasn't a "meanie" towards ALL SW fans (aka bad racist white dudes) but only towards SOME of them ?
The second counter argument (and strawman) would be that
its ok to be...ahem, "somewhat" racist just 'cause a person is addressing a racist issue himself ?
What, aren't people supposed to be called out on their hypocrisy (Boyega) ? Unless of course - again - people with specific skin colors are allowed a free pass ?
Now, that's what would be called a "double standard" in my book brother, not to mention, "racist" in itself - a word that some people in here like to throw around freely like it's nothing, see what I'm trying to say ?
Can you imagine if a white or "white adjacent ®" actor/person did the same thing towards a (mostly) black demographic ? Can you imagine the shit storm ? Said person would be eaten alive nowadays.
But I digress brother, see, this is why this type of hypocrisy never sat well with me, you know why ? 'cause it's all bullshit, my skin color, your skin color, the other person's skin color shouldn't fucking matter, we're all people in the end man, it's just that some people always find ways as to be at each other's throats - and the saddest thing ? You, i and others are doing the dance for these friggin' soulless multi-billion corps, be it Disney, Ubisoft, Marvel or whatever the heck and I gotta ask, why ?
People fighting over a Ubisoft slop game over pages upon pages 'cause there's a person of color in it, people fighting and keep insinuating things over what an actor in a...Disney owned franchise said, people fighting over...you get the idea man, it's ALWAYS the same shit and people for some reason keep dancing around this orchestrated bullshit.
This is why I told you the other day in another thread to take it easy and not to take things personal while throwing the (unfortunately) usual racism insinuations freely, not only it is not polite, not only it is cowardly but I think that in the year of our lord 2025 it has ran its course - obviously, I'm not saying that racism is not an existing fact and/or a reality, what I'm saying is people should stop cheering and going at each other's throats constantly.
I know I said earlier that all celebs are insufferable twats, but, Morgan Freeman said something in an interview that I happen to agree with : "the best way to fight racism is to quit talking about it".
You, or whoever else that like spamming laughing emojis and throwing accusations around freely ('cause this is a repeated thing some of you are doing) insinuating that whoever doesn't line with your opinion is a racist is, well, a bad and disgusting thing to do, you're not gonna hold nor win an argument doing that, you're not gonna savor some kind of "online win" sticking it to the bad men®.
Again, for both your and our mental health, try not to take everything personally and getting offended by literal bullshit, don't fight over Ubisoft bullshit, don't get worked over Disney bullshit, don't try to take sides over what a stooge that got payed millions of dollars for starring in a make believe Sci-fi bullshit fairytale said or says, we, the "low caste" are living in a different whole universe than the Boyegas and Guillemots of the world.
The reason I'm writing this whole thesisis 'cause I'm trying to connect with another guy and pick his brain (you in this case) 'cause, see, the internet has unfortunately made us believe that the other person on the other side of the screen is a soulless entity (which is factually untrue), hence why 99% of the users both in here and on the internet generally speaking are always snarky, rude, are always at the ready to throw accusations and regaling others with...creative epithets and/or using those emojis as a form of "punishment".
Like I told you the other day, let's just all try to be...somewhat better, this bullshit "racist this" and "racist that" though has to stop.
Cheers
Boyega criticized a subset of fans, the ones who took issue with him being cast in the role. His comments are part of a wider conversation he attempts to open up about systemic bias in Hollywood, inclusion, and fan gatekeeping. This is pretty much the scope of the article/ he's interview in the documentary.
kpopSuperstar
's comment is completely off base. Boyega is referencing the time he was cast in Star Wars (2015), which predates all the series they mentioned (Ahsoka, Andor, Boba Fett, and The Mandalorian).It's absurd to suggest that calling out racism is itself racist, that's a logical fallacy. So how exactly is Boyega a racist? The strawmanning here would be reframing Boyega's comments as an attack on all white people when he specifically states "some Star Wars fans". By calling him a hypocrite or racist, and then pivoting to "we're all just people," you're effectively defending those who engaged in the very racism he was calling out.
And again, let me reiterate: calling out racism is not itself racist. That's a false equivalence, and it weakens the entire conversation when people fall back on that kind of framing.
You make an effort to sound reasonable, but you're being intellectually dishonest. You called out
DeafTourette
over a laughing emoji in response to an objectively ridiculous comment, while providing zero evidence of your own, just a long-winded spiel with philosophical smokescreening.Relax your tits, man. Star Wars sucks balls anyway.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I'm not hwite but I don't agree with him. He should be mad @ Disney but instead he punches down at the fans. It really doesn't matter SW died with TFA for me I didn't bother with the other 2 shitquels.
Great Auk
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Never watched beyond The Force Awakens either.
Complistic
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What a take, yikes. 
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
As people already said, most people wanted him to be the protagonist and not Rey. It was Disney that made him into a stupid sidekick.
StreetsofBeige
Member
If SW is such a crummy whitey franchise, the why take the role? Sell out doing anything for a buck?
they most likely just ray simps
no good for him i hope he gets more stuff to do
kpopSuperstar
Member
People use racism charges to attack other ethnicities all the time. In many cases, calling white people racist/nazi is done for absolutely no other reason than to attack them.
It's absurd to suggest that calling out racism is itself racist, that's a logical fallacy. So how exactly is Boyega a racist? The strawmanning here would be reframing Boyega's comments as an attack on all white people when he specifically states "some Star Wars fans". By calling him a hypocrite or racist, and then pivoting to "we're all just people," you're effectively defending those who engaged in the very racism he was calling out.
Which is valid in this case. His framing of elite white fanbases is nonsensical, Star Wars fans wanted more of Finn in most cases, there are some anti-woke people who say stupid shit at times, but his views on fanbases does not mirror reality. It's casting he is frustrated with, not fans, but he attacks the fanbase instead, which he has made into some sort of white fantasy crowd that does not want black people.
This is how racists think, they make shit up to demonize others. When you look at his BLM history and these comments, you see a pattern.
i do not blame him it s the woke brainwashing.
StreetsofBeige
Member
He has zero draw power.
If you look at all his films, the biggest money makers he's in are SW and a Pacific Rim movie. SW is SW and always sells a ton and PR1 made $400M. But his PR Pacific Rim movie dropped to $300M, and if you look at the rest of his movies you got Woman King at $98M and everything else is piddly. Some make so little money they dont even break $5M.
me as well i do not get the hate he is getting for this
Goalus
Member
Not only that, he is clearly mansplaining here. We need Kathleen Kennedy to step up immediately and tell him who's boss.
i do not blame him at all i will give him a pass.
Giallo Corsa
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I think you've completely taken the conversation off the rails from the original article. So I want to bring it back to the actual point.
Boyega criticized a subset of fans, the ones who took issue with him being cast in the role. His comments are part of a wider conversation he attempts to open up about systemic bias in Hollywood, inclusion, and fan gatekeeping. This is pretty much the scope of the article/ he's interview in the documentary.
It's absurd to suggest that calling out racism is itself racist, that's a logical fallacy. So how exactly is Boyega a racist? The strawmanning here would be reframing Boyega's comments as an attack on all white people when he specifically states "some Star Wars fans". By calling him a hypocrite or racist, and then pivoting to "we're all just people," you're effectively defending those who engaged in the very racism he was calling out.
And again, let me reiterate: calling out racism is not itself racist. That's a false equivalence, and it weakens the entire conversation when people fall back on that kind of framing.
You make an effort to sound reasonable, but you're being intellectually dishonest. You called out
Relax your tits, man. Star Wars sucks balls anyway.
I'd have to write another 100 paragraphs as to explain everything again, instead, I'll just limit myself to 20
:- This racism this, racist that is getting out of hand in here lately.
- This is a repeated thing.
- what Boyega said and especially the when is irrelevant to the point the other dude was trying to make.
- Again with the "he only called out some of them" - and I'm being disingenuous ? Some racism OK, only excessive racism is bad apparently.
- It's not exclusively about the emoji thing.
What "evidence" shall I provide and about...what exactly ?
This forum has been blowing up these past couple of weeks due to the usual suspects crying wolf every other post repeatedly.
So no, it's not about the Boyega guy only, it's not about SW only, it's not about AC shadows, it's people seeing boogeymen everywhere, cause let me tell you, if these few people are indeed right, it means that a good 80-90% of the users in here are "racists".
As for the "philosophical smokescreen" thing, this is exactly why there can't be proper engagement between users in here besides the usual petty drive-by's, "gotchas", constant accusations and insinuations, you either have to keep everything in 2-3 lines of text at most or you're "having a meltdown" kind of thing - pretty ironic considering that this is a forum and the only form communication is - literally - writing/typing your thoughts.
Also : funny thing is that I don't watch SW, I don't watch Marvel shit, I don't watch Disney stuff so I don't have a horse in this race, my point of people doing the usual dance around what X millionaire said/got offended of and people getting caught in multi-billion companies' bullshit and agendas still stands though.
To put it even more simply - and in the context of this very thread - I can't feel sorry for the Boyegas of the world, we're talking about privileged millionaires here that have made make believe their living, not only that, but since apparently you also dislike people being disingenuous, you should raise your dissatisfaction with him since he chose the easy way out of blasting the easy target (fans) and not the hand that fed him - the same hand by the way that erased him from those movie posters as to appease to our Chinese overlords - 'cause he doesn't want to burn any bridges obviously, yes ?
Cheers
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GateofD
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For real, disappointed all the hints he was force sensitive went to nothing and he had a shitty romance with the Asian girl who just disappeared.
Then at the end he's about to confess to Rey, then chickens out.
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Great Auk
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He's a grown man, he doesn't deserve a pass.
Unless you think he's a fool that can't tell the difference between a couple of dumb tweeters online and the behemoth that is Disney and China.
One has all the power and calls all the shots, the other is a powerless and insignificant number of randos online.
Yet he chooses to focus all his energy on the randos.
Angry_Megalodon
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One minute of Leia in any original SW movie is hundred times more valuable than the whole cast of the sequels put together.
It's not about screen time but about having a memorable character instead of a clown.
As a concept, Finn had a great premise, full of potential. They delivered the character in the worst way possible and that has nothing to do with his race but the stupid role he was given.
It's no use to discuss with people who have the gender-race card stuck deep in their minds. Assuming the skin color of someone based on opinions over movies is as racist as it can get.
Doom85
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There were actually no hints in TFA he was Force-sensitive. Yes, he uses a lightsaber, but the movie established that First Order troopers were trained in hand weapon combat, plus simply using one doesn't make him Force-sensitive (otherwise Han is Force-sensitive for simply using one on Hoth). All of Maz's words to Finn don't give any indication he can use the Force. She simply says he's prone to running away, and then when he asks for a weapon, she says he already has one (the lightsaber). None of this shows he's Force-sensitive, that was purely fan assumption at that point, whereas clear evidence was shown that Rey was Force-sensitive in TFA.
Now it is hinted in TROS (well, not really, rather Abrams said afterwards this is what Finn was trying to tell Rey), but not in TFA.
Hardly the only Mandela Effect I've seen when it comes to the ST. People also were outraged Finn was running away to find Rey at the start of TLJ, with those people claiming Finn had grown and would focus on supporting the Resistance…..except, no, he wouldn't, he flat out tells Han on Starkiller Base that he's there primarily to save Rey, with Han getting really frustrated at hearing that. So actually, him heading off to find Rey upon waking up was exactly what he would do at that point in TLJ, only by the end of the movie was he more focused on helping the Resistance.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
He'll be in episode 10
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
as egoist as he may sound, I think he's always been pretty passionate about what could have been. i think everybody here is on the same page; disney sucks ass and eerything they make sucks it's like algorithm slop for the masses
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
TBH, there was backlash against some of the non-white actors cast in SW. It may have been "small", relatively speaking, but it was there. I remember people being against Samuel L Jackson because he was a "thug" who cursed in movies and shouldn't be a Jedi because of it. Or angry at Billy Dee because he betrayed Han.
There has always been a subset of fans who either have racist things to say against casting or are just unhinged AF as if Star Wars is really real. There was, as Boyega says, backlash and a portion of it was because he's black... I provided proof earlier up-thread.
Fandom can be INSPIRING (like the disabled fan who became an engineer thanks to Scotty) but sometimes some of them are right cunts.
There has always been a subset of fans who either have racist things to say against casting or are just unhinged AF as if Star Wars is really real. There was, as Boyega says, backlash and a portion of it was because he's black... I provided proof earlier up-thread.
Fandom can be INSPIRING (like the disabled fan who became an engineer thanks to Scotty) but sometimes some of them are right cunts.
Dirk Benedict
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I disagree, they could have handled his defection much better. Instead, I felt we just got rushed through a nostalgic, on-rails experience that forced us from moment to moment.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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"Disney wrote me like shit and sabotaged my character. Clearly this is the racist fans' fault!"
taizuke
Member
A female character dying to give the male character motivation and growth... oof. That's blaspheme in modern hollywood.
Blank Space Invader
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Of course he can blame the 36 people who sent him hate messages. He won't dare blame the actual industry and studio that did it, because that will be messy and public and will cost him...um, the role that he, uh, well the one that he had that, um...wait, never mind. He hasn't actually done anything else of note since his fifteen minutes in Star Wars so yeah, don't offend the industry, John! It might cost you work!
Gamerfan81
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Star Wars has been mediocre since the prequels. The original trilogy was great, then the Phantom Menace and the prequels came out.
The franchise has been going downhill since 1999.
The franchise has been going downhill since 1999.
LaughingStock
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He should be criticizing Disney and Ryan Johnson. Not the fans.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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I always disliked that actor.
ResilientBanana
Member
Sorry a majority are white? Maybe you should have been a better actor and attracted a more black crowd?
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Well, Mackie Cap has now been roundly rejected by audiences. Lol
What Boyega would likely say, if less elegantly, is he's not a basketball player and that telling him to be happy that a statistically insignificant minority of other people who happen to look like him have that in a completely different industry is an example of "white privilege" or something. You could say that being a Hollywood actor is a privilege - but do you consider your job a privilege, or something that you worked long and hard for? Either way, while Boyega hasn't had a trash career, the credits he does have aren't amongst the best Hollywood has to offer. A lot of his recent parts have been expressly "black" movies that just don't have the broad appeal. The dynamic that plays out with Asians in Hollywood is not dissimilar. Every now and then, you get a Crazy Rich Asians or Everywhere All At Once, but, like Sam Jackson and Denzel Washington, how many times are we going to press the Michelle Yeoh button?
Idk, it's pretty obvious to me that expecting equal parts of "representation" for each ethnic demographic in each area is basically impossible. But saying "look at the <3k athletes in major sports leagues" when he's talking about broad appeal film can easily be interpreted as another form of box-checking tokenism not dissimilar to the "look look, we had Sam Jackson as Mace Windu 20 years ago!" he critiqued in the quote.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
He has criticized Disney, in very similar words to people in this thread and elsewhere who say that Rey got undue attention from the script. Almost as soon as the trilogy was over.
5 years ago:
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John Boyega slams Disney's handling of his 'Star Wars' character
John Boyega says his character Finn was "pushed to the side" and that Disney knew "f--k all" about handling black characters.
Ofc, especially once you take the view that only the lead role counts and nothing else counts and is just pandering, as he has here.
Will Smith already disproved the idea that movies can't have broad appeal and success if they have a black actor in a lead role. But peak Will Smith was very likeable whereas Boyega is an unlikeable, whiny brat, which probably doesn't help.
One of those is probably a case of systemic racism and one would be a racist micro aggression I guess.
I'm sure some bitches on tik tok would helpfully tell us how we're all racist pieces of shit.
Gp1
Member
Don't worry John if there is one thing that Disney/KK did very well in the new trilogy is not give a flying fuck to the fans.
ps. Darth Vader was voiced by a black actor, Mace Windu, Forest Whitaker, 2 Landos, Rosario Dawson, that captain on episode 1, Moff Gideon, Carl Weathers, that sista that Vader wipe the floor with in Obi Wan, etc.
ps. Darth Vader was voiced by a black actor, Mace Windu, Forest Whitaker, 2 Landos, Rosario Dawson, that captain on episode 1, Moff Gideon, Carl Weathers, that sista that Vader wipe the floor with in Obi Wan, etc.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The way Disney mishandled the sequel trilogy, Disney knew f--k all what to with any of the main characters or the plot. They were winging it all the way, going in one direction in TLJ then in the complete opposite direction with TRoSW. The whole trilogy was one big, uncoordinated mess, Nobody in charge had a cohesive vision.
simpatico
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Just because that language can technically be strung together doesn't make it anything beyond word soup. Indisputable evidence of black hero's existing at scale in the American mainstream was given. Boyega destroyed.