John Boyega attacks Stars Wars fans for not wanting him as a hero

Madflavor said:
Finn was actually the perfect foil to Kylo. Kylo Ren believed he deserved power because he was the grandson of Darth Vader. Finn was a low ranking Stormtrooper who clean toilets on the side. The set up was right fucking there, like grade school T-Ball. The wrong character was the protagonist.
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Have Rey sacrifice herself to protect Finn at the end of TFA, setting up Finn to wake up in the second movie with a grudge to settle and a lot of personal growth to undertake, as a massive underdog in a world of Jedi and Sith. Would've been infinitely more interesting than the Mary Sue protagonist we got.
 
Star Wars fan here...


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EviLore said:
He mentioned that there were online trolls sending him hate messages. Guess he doesn't realize that they're not a representative sampling of the fandom.
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I'm sure it makes sense that he feels that way when he's reading the most hateful trolls on the internet directly attacking him. Why the fuck anyone would subject themselves to that sort of bullshit is beyond me. Dude, TURN IT OFF. I liked his character and acting and I'm pretty sure everyone else did too, certainly based on the comments here. This guy is reading a bunch of trolls and projecting it onto the wrong crowd.

He needs to learn from stand-ups and podcasters who know not to read the comment sections. Turn off the DMs. Stop engaging with a bunch of retarded strangers who get off on being negative cunts just for the sake of it. The internet really has a lot of people believing the hate is more prevalent than it is.
 
It sucks what Disney did to his characters, but this guy always comes across as being salty that his big movie star break didn't work out, an he seems to be taking out his frustration on the fans instead of the people that screwed him over.

Almost everyone I've ever talked to about the sequels agrees that Finn being completely sidelined after the first movie sucked.

Madflavor said:
Finn was actually the perfect foil to Kylo. Kylo Ren believed he deserved power because he was the grandson of Darth Vader. Finn was a low ranking Stormtrooper who clean toilets on the side. The set up was right fucking there, like grade school T-Ball. For all that talk about how special bloodline doesn't matter, and how anyone can be special, they sure dropped the ball on that didn't they? The wrong character was the protagonist.
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It's a JJ Abrams scrip. Anything but low effort nostalgia bait and repeating the same story beats from the old content is expecting too much from him.
 
InterMusketeer said:
Sure, that explanation works. I'm just recalling the controversy as I remember it.
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I mean, you admitted that entire controversy was based on an ASSUMPTION. I personally never assumed the clone troopers were still used in the Empire by the time of ANH, because the clone troopers in the PT are competent badasses while the stormtroopers in the OT are incompetent cannon fodder at best.

At some point, I just accepted near the end of his life, Obi-Wan just became a pathological liar. Lying about Anakin and Vader was one thing, but pretending he had no idea who R2-D2 was? Claiming stormtroopers' aim was precise? Dude was just straight up trolling Luke on anything that wasn't training in the Force.

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EviLore said:
Have Rey sacrifice herself to protect Finn at the end of TFA, setting up Finn to wake up in the second movie with a grudge to settle and a lot of personal growth to undertake, as a massive underdog in a world of Jedi and Sith. Would've been infinitely more interesting than the Mary Sue protagonist we got.
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I think the first 20 minutes of TFA is by far the best sequence of events in the entire Sequel Trilogy, and a lot of it is because it focuses so much on Finn, back when he was the Red Herring Protoganist. His chemistry with Poe was so good, you immediately bought their immediate friendship. It's fucking frustrating

I like Daisy Ridley, but she really should've just been the engineer/thief type role, instead of the multi-class that can do everything. Instead we got what we got. Just an awful fucking character. Let's have a Hero's Journey where the hero is already an expert at fighting the enemy before she even leaves home.
 
I *despise* Disney Star Wars for many reasons. One of them is they didn't take Finn, the most interesting character, and do anything with him.

I wasn't us, John. It was Disney that sidelined you. Figure it out.
 
That'll get him nowhere fast... He should be smart enough to know that it would have been the writers that did this and not the fans. When you have three different groups of writers who are not at all aligned on the story, these things tend to happen.

Outside of a few moments, that trilogy was pretty fucking bad.
 
I wanted Finn to be a Jedi and a lot of people wanted the same. That being said I did get into a debate with someone on another forum who complained he looked like a thug from the hood, but the vast majority of the fan base I interacted was hoping for a good story of a Stormtrooper turned Jedi. Alas, we got the absolute train wreck that is the sequel trilogy. Disney did him dirty, not the fans.
 
Well looks like he doesn't want any future acting roles.

Taking what a few trolls did and claiming it's the fandom as a hole is what will turn a fandom that wanted him to be the star of the sequel trilogy against him.

A fandom that spoke up for him when Disney cucked him in the second and third movie and removed him from the Chinese poster.

Oh well, I guess screaming into the ether is worth killing a career to some.
 
Uhh, I wanted him to be a hero, or THE hero.
Soo many possibilities with him being force sensitive and the dynamic with Ray and Kylo.
He should blame the smoothbrained AWFLs and their unearned roles in the decision making around these things.
 
EviLore said:
He mentioned that there were online trolls sending him hate messages. Guess he doesn't realize that they're not a representative sampling of the fandom.
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I always wondered what these people are thinking. Like, you are subject to the ENTIRE world over social media and no one will give them some shit? Like, really?
 
Doom85 said:
I mean, you admitted that entire controversy was based on an ASSUMPTION.
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Guess that depends how you look at it. Clones were canon and there was no reason to assume otherwise. It's not like Star Wars lacked detail in its world building. We would have known if regular people were recruited. So it's something they changed for the sequel trilogy and some fans disliked that.

But your theory fits the movies, so I like it.
 
I think more fans were upset over this fantastic shot from the trailer being left out of the final cut of the movie than they were about John Boyega being cast. lol

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At least I am. It's been almost ten years and i still am not over this.
 
SlimySnake said:
I think more fans were upset over this fantastic shot from the trailer being left out of the final cut of the movie than they were about John Boyega being cast. lol

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At least I am. It's been almost ten years and i still am not over this.
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Remeber when Rey whipped his ass in their first encounter? No growth. No arc other than being even more a badass boss bitch at the end.
 
OmegaSupreme said:
Remeber when Rey whipped his ass in their first encounter? No growth. No arc other than being even more a badass boss bitch at the end.
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Luke should have shown up in the end trying to save Han but in the end only being able to save Rey and the gang. Refusing to engage his Nephew despite his grief and anger over Han.
 
People shouting China! when literally Kathleen Kennedy said that the force is female is a pathetic thing to read. Just think a bit before typing silly stuff like this.

Finn could have been a very interesting protagonist for the saga, but KK wanted him to be a beta man to her Mary Sue so Finn's character was a no-go from inception. The actor calling out fans instead of Disney is cowardly since he knows 100% who's to blame.

And he adds more stuff to his retarded statement by dimishing the importance of Lando and Mace Windu.

In short, Fuck off, John Boyega. Your character was as pathetic as you are as a man. Fuck off.
 
Finn was my favorite character from Force Awakens, and I was excited to see what they did with him.
Unfortunately, they made him into a goofy and useless side character in Last Jedi, and a screaming idiot in Last Skywalker. Disney did him dirty.
Also, explain the sustained love for Lando and Mace Windu, dude... Just admit, you're character sucked and the movies you were in sucked even more.
Guess he's looking to work with Rachel Zegler at some point.
 
EviLore said:
He mentioned that there were online trolls sending him hate messages. Guess he doesn't realize that they're not a representative sampling of the fandom.
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This aways happened to everyone in every industry. This should be resolved with the social media site since people there are using it to spread hate, not be used as a scapegoat defense mechanism to say whatever the crap he wants.

His character is the only thing in that stupid demency films that had the best potential. Alot of things where he come from could have build up an excellent character, one that can not be exactly good neither evil or somewhat divided alliance(or something like Total Rekal). Which I honestly think its a shame. Disney and that Kathleen bitch are the ones to blame, Star War fans didn't do anything neither have anything to do with the movie direction. This will not bode well for him, he will lost the only positive thing people can say about those movies.
 
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It is both stupid and disappointing when people make something trivial like race or gender their entire personality.

He is a decent enough actor and has been in some good movies. Finn in the Force awakens was fairly enjoyable too.

I'll just never be able to understand the mindset of a person that chooses one thing as their sole personality and are willing to go to the Nth degree being ridiculous on that one thing.
 
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crunchyBiscuits said:
Having Finn be the main guy in the sequel trilogy would've been a lot more compelling imo than a Skywalker skywalking all over the place. Writers, directors, marketers did him dirty 😞
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Wasn't even a real Skywalker skywalking all over the place lol. Bitch went through 3 dreadful films and then culturally appropriated the name
 
Ah yes, this strategy has worked so well these last years /s

Blame Disney for skewing the oppression pyramid so that a white woman could still be above a black man so they could sell their ill-conceived slop of a trilogy in China. They could have done so much more with Finn.
 
Meh, I didn't even think he was a great actor in the movies. Michael B. Jordan would have been better, even though he is 5 years older.
 
As somebody who was a Star Wars fan, I just wanted good characters.

Every character of colour in the movies I can think of has been a great character. Finn was the only one I didn't care for which is heavily due to the writing and especially TLJ.
 
I'm in agreement with most here that Rian really screwed Fin's character... He was teased as being force sensitive... That's actually what he was supposed to tell Rey... And Abrams actually said they cut a scene of Fin using the Force opening that panel outside the star destroyer... But didn't use it. They really did him dirty.

That said, I DO remember some hate aimed at Billy Dee Williams when he was Landon in the OT ... Because up til then, SW was all white.

And yeah there was some brouhaha about Fin because they (racist fake ass fans) thought all Storm Troopers were white.

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The hashtag #BoycottStarWarsVII was trending after claims that casting John Boyega was ‘anti-white propaganda’ while Ava DuVernay called for positivity
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The Last Jedi was complete trash that heavily damaged the Star Wars franchise so it's not the fans that wanted his role diminished.

Part of this I think is that he can't attack Disney directly given how powerful it is in the film industry overall.
 
Boyaga has been saying dumb shit like this forever, he has always been a full blown racist.

Ashoka, Andor, Boba Fett and The Mandalorian all feature non-white leads, he's full of shit.
 
Kathleen Kennedy and Disney fucked him over and not the fans. Hell, I wanted him to be the main character and would have been an awesome ass character arc to have a Stormtrooper become a Jedi. Would have been badass, instead we got the bullshit we got. Also, he and Rey should have gotten together but I guess that made too much sense since that was direction it was heading and instead she wanted to fuck Mopey Vader. I have so many damn issues with those movies and not one of them was him. Let me say once again fuck Kathleen Kennedy up her stupid ass.
 
I'm not a sw fan but I remember people were really hot on the idea that he would be a trooper-turned-good guy who was force-sensitive and would become a jedi, featuring prominently?

It's not the fans at fault here?
 
kpopSuperstar said:
Boyaga has been saying dumb shit like this forever, he has always been a full blown racist.

Ashoka, Andor, Boba Fett and The Mandalorian all feature non-white leads, he's full of shit.
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DeafTourette DeafTourette , what in particular did you find funny with this opinion ?

Surely it can't be the fact that his last paragraph is actually...factual ?

Or maybe, you find the fact that racism is impossible when it's coming from a specific demographic ?

As for me, Boyega always came off as incredibly unlikeable and after the SW bullshit, I can say that the man has a persecution complex.
Also : He's a hypocrite since the guy got fucked from Disney and not from the fans - not that he would be honest (or stupid) enough to actually say/admit that since you never bite the hand that feeds, instead, it's - obviously - the toxic fandom aka " bad white people" (let's be honest, It's what it's implied) 'cause I'm pretty sure it was them that erased him from those posters, right ?

If it's indeed racism that is at play here, well, let's just say that it's a bad thing no matter the color of the skin of the person that it comes from.

Also : the hell with celebrities, entitled twats the lot of them
 
Giallo Corsa said:
DeafTourette DeafTourette , what in particular did you find funny with this opinion ?

Surely it can't be the fact that his last paragraph is actually...factual ?

Or maybe, you find the fact that racism is impossible when it's coming from a specific demographic ?

As for me, Boyega always came off as incredibly unlikeable and after the SW bullshit, I can say that the man has a persecution complex.
Also : He's a hypocrite since the guy got fucked from Disney and not from the fans - not that he would be honest (or stupid) enough to actually say/admit that since you never bite the hand that feeds, instead, it's - obviously - the toxic fandom aka " bad white people" (let's be honest, It's what it's implied) 'cause I'm pretty sure it was them that erased him from those posters, right ?

If it's indeed racism that is at play here, well, let's just say that it's a bad thing no matter the color of the skin of the person that it comes from.

Also : the hell with celebrities, entitled twats the lot of them
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I'm laughing at the notion that he's a full blown racist. That's the most ludicrous and funniest thing I've seen said in this thread. Some people think pointing out racism IS racism... And there were folks who DID say black people shouldn't be in Star Wars... I linked AN article about it with tweets (which were deleted after shown internationally) showing their racism. That ONE person being cast is "white genocide"? There were multiple genocides/mass killings in this country... Not even mentioning genocides in other countries.

Strictly speaking, so-called minorities don't have the power (political) in this country to affect much change or actually make laws against any racial group and never have. But this thread isn't about that...

It's about John Boyega speaking his opinion as a black Brit about a section of fans (again, he SAID "some 'fans'") .... He didn't say all SW fans... He said some.... So I guess talking about those fans who WERE being racist towards him is somehow really about ALL fans... LMBO!
 
Hes not wrong about a large portion of the fanbase.

But I do think he has sour grapes about not being given a leading role. As a supporting role, he had plenty to do. Hes got about 4 minutes less screen time in TLJ as Leia does in ESB.
 
Pretty sure he has this backwards. Fans wanted him to have a hero role and were kinda pissed that he got relegated to a side character.
 
I don't think anyone other than Oscar Isaac got a real career boost by being in these movies.

As has been said already, it's Lucasfilm, Kathleen Kennedy, Ryan Johnson and JarJar Abrams who screwed his character over. But people on the internet are too quick to dismiss any responsibility for things that are said on the internet.
 
DeafTourette said:
I'm laughing at the notion that he's a full blown racist. That's the most ludicrous and funniest thing I've seen said in this thread. Some people think pointing out racism IS racism... And there were folks who DID say black people shouldn't be in Star Wars... I linked AN article about it with tweets (which were deleted after shown internationally) showing their racism. That ONE person being cast is "white genocide"? There were multiple genocides/mass killings in this country... Not even mentioning genocides in other countries.

Strictly speaking, so-called minorities don't have the power (political) in this country to affect much change or actually make laws against any racial group and never have. But this thread isn't about that...

It's about John Boyega speaking his opinion as a black Brit about a section of fans (again, he SAID "some 'fans'") .... He didn't say all SW fans... He said some.... So I guess talking about those fans who WERE being racist towards him is somehow really about ALL fans... LMBO!
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I can find a tweet that will support practically any position. It doesn't mean it's representative of anything.

If there is any racism in this situation, he's not pointing in the right direction. He didn't mention China at all, OR Disney bending to their racist will for the mighty dollar. So the two groups that were acting racist get a pass from Boyega, but the group that had nothing to do with anything is the one being attacked by him? Oh please.

The fan base is an easy target. Disney and China? Not so much. He's a coward.
 
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Ever since this clown got the job he's used his profile to cry about racism constantly.

Isn't smart enough to realise he got shafted by poor writing and blames the fans.
 
DeafTourette said:
I'm laughing at the notion that he's a full blown racist. That's the most ludicrous and funniest thing I've seen said in this thread. Some people think pointing out racism IS racism... And there were folks who DID say black people shouldn't be in Star Wars... I linked AN article about it with tweets (which were deleted after shown internationally) showing their racism. That ONE person being cast is "white genocide"? There were multiple genocides/mass killings in this country... Not even mentioning genocides in other countries.

Strictly speaking, so-called minorities don't have the power (political) in this country to affect much change or actually make laws against any racial group and never have. But this thread isn't about that...

It's about John Boyega speaking his opinion as a black Brit about a section of fans (again, he SAID "some 'fans'") .... He didn't say all SW fans... He said some.... So I guess talking about those fans who WERE being racist towards him is somehow really about ALL fans... LMBO!
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So, the counter argument is that he wasn't a "meanie" towards ALL SW fans (aka bad racist white dudes) but only towards SOME of them ?
The second counter argument (and strawman) would be that
its ok to be...ahem, "somewhat" racist just 'cause a person is addressing a racist issue himself ?
What, aren't people supposed to be called out on their hypocrisy (Boyega) ? Unless of course - again - people with specific skin colors are allowed a free pass ?
Now, that's what would be called a "double standard" in my book brother, not to mention, "racist" in itself - a word that some people in here like to throw around freely like it's nothing, see what I'm trying to say ?
Can you imagine if a white or "white adjacent ®" actor/person did the same thing towards a (mostly) black demographic ? Can you imagine the shit storm ? Said person would be eaten alive nowadays.

But I digress brother, see, this is why this type of hypocrisy never sat well with me, you know why ? 'cause it's all bullshit, my skin color, your skin color, the other person's skin color shouldn't fucking matter, we're all people in the end man, it's just that some people always find ways as to be at each other's throats - and the saddest thing ? You, i and others are doing the dance for these friggin' soulless multi-billion corps, be it Disney, Ubisoft, Marvel or whatever the heck and I gotta ask, why ?

People fighting over a Ubisoft slop game over pages upon pages 'cause there's a person of color in it, people fighting and keep insinuating things over what an actor in a...Disney owned franchise said, people fighting over...you get the idea man, it's ALWAYS the same shit and people for some reason keep dancing around this orchestrated bullshit.
This is why I told you the other day in another thread to take it easy and not to take things personal while throwing the (unfortunately) usual racism insinuations freely, not only it is not polite, not only it is cowardly but I think that in the year of our lord 2025 it has ran its course - obviously, I'm not saying that racism is not an existing fact and/or a reality, what I'm saying is people should stop cheering and going at each other's throats constantly.

I know I said earlier that all celebs are insufferable twats, but, Morgan Freeman said something in an interview that I happen to agree with : "the best way to fight racism is to quit talking about it".

You, or whoever else that like spamming laughing emojis and throwing accusations around freely ('cause this is a repeated thing some of you are doing) insinuating that whoever doesn't line with your opinion is a racist is, well, a bad and disgusting thing to do, you're not gonna hold nor win an argument doing that, you're not gonna savor some kind of "online win" sticking it to the bad men®.
Again, for both your and our mental health, try not to take everything personally and getting offended by literal bullshit, don't fight over Ubisoft bullshit, don't get worked over Disney bullshit, don't try to take sides over what a stooge that got payed millions of dollars for starring in a make believe Sci-fi bullshit fairytale said or says, we, the "low caste" are living in a different whole universe than the Boyegas and Guillemots of the world.

The reason I'm writing this whole thesis 😁 is 'cause I'm trying to connect with another guy and pick his brain (you in this case) 'cause, see, the internet has unfortunately made us believe that the other person on the other side of the screen is a soulless entity (which is factually untrue), hence why 99% of the users both in here and on the internet generally speaking are always snarky, rude, are always at the ready to throw accusations and regaling others with...creative epithets and/or using those emojis as a form of "punishment".

Like I told you the other day, let's just all try to be...somewhat better, this bullshit "racist this" and "racist that" though has to stop.

Cheers
 
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poppabk said:
Pretty sure he has this backwards. Fans wanted him to have a hero role and were kinda pissed that he got relegated to a side character.
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Imo it was more so that people wanted anyone other than Rey to be the MC. The one who got the most active praise throughout the trilogy was Kylo Ren.
 
To be honest i thought he was going to be the Jedi and was surprised he wasn't.

He is a fool though if he thinks there is a collective SW mind that rejects a black male protagonist but accepts a white female.

As a side note, i always thought the representation topic is a bit of self cancelling. They say all people need to relate to the protagonist / characters on screen, yet we know the demographics for such IPs is mostly white men.
If it is so important for the consumer to be able to relate, then of course they will make sure the protagonist looks like most of their audience.
 
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