John Kasich is finally stuffed, suspends campaign

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animlboogy said:
I dunno, if this all goes to shit, he can pop up and do his "I was there" routine he did at every debate, with the spin that he was the "voice of reason" who kept fighting against Trump.

Ted Cruz is the one we'll almost assuredly never see again on this level. Carly Fiorina is a fucking cockroach, though, so she'll probably end up getting a cabinet post from Trump that she gets fired from 3 months later.
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Rush treated Cruz dropping out to Reagan dropping out in 76, Cruz will be back
 
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DragonSworne said:
So what you are arguing is we have a bad choice and a really really really bad choice.
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I think that sounds about right...

My hope is that Hillary doesn't somehow lose to Trump and manages to destroy the GOP more than Obama was ever willing or able to do himself. That is basically the best outcome.
 
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If trump wins the whole thing we'd be in a darker timeline than back to the future part 2. At least Biff wasn't the fucking president.
 
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Live Free or Die said:
Trump just keeps winning! Make America great again! Trump 2016!
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lawnchair said:
are obama and hillary against killing the families of suspected terrorists? i was under the impression that we've been doing that for a long time via drone strikes.
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Do you think Obama intentionally targets families just for the fuck of it? Trump said that's what he would do. I'm not a drone fan but c'mon.
 
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Knuckle Sandwich said:
Do you think Obama intentionally targets families just for the fuck of it? Trump said that's what he would do. I'm not a drone fan but c'mon.
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i think obama expanded a program that he knows full well kills thousands of innocent people. what about blowing up funerals and shit like that? that's killing families. targeting peoples cellphones and things of that nature, that's killing families. obama's policy is killing families.

at least trump isn't sugar coating it.
 
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lawnchair said:
i think obama expanded a program that he knows full well kills thousands of innocent people. what about blowing up funerals and shit like that? that's killing families. targeting peoples cellphones and things of that nature, that's killing families. obama's policy is killing families.

at least trump isn't sugar coating it.
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So you think that because Trump "isn't sugar coating it," it will lead to a decrease of such actions, especially considering how much leeway the president and her military advisers have in this matter?

Oh, okay.

The Democrats aren't infallible, but if you're taking certain positions on the issues...
 
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animlboogy said:
The last couple weeks were a dumpster fire for Cruz. The alliance with Kasich, the unprecedented declaration of a running mate when it was mathematically impossible for him to outright take the nomination, dropping out a week after doing that... I don't think voters will buy a return by him. He undercut his outsider status with these idiotic moves and still remains deeply disliked by most prominent Republicans. And it's not like he's all that likable anyway. He literally only got the traction he did due to being the only viable Trump alternative, bolstered by the types of voters who elevated such "successful" candidates as Rick Santorum.

Besides, Cruz is no Reagan. Right-wing pundits basically compare everyone they like to Reagan but seriously, what do they have in common? He's not likable or charismatic (he instead comes off as dry and measured). He's most notable for a staunch refusal to compromise. The party is packed with people who outright hate him (no exaggeration, hate him!). That just.... isn't anything like what appealed to people about Reagan at all.
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When Trump loses, it was be goldwater 2.0 and Cruz saying "I told you so! I really am Reagan 2.0", and it begins again
 
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Nibiru said:
No, it was like Bernie saying he would make college free. It would never happen(Hillary often speaks to Bernie's promises being unrealistic) but it plays well to his base. All politicians have some platform items that are total BS to get attention. Again he is winning primaries based on his job growth, trade reform platform and name recognition as polls show that stopping illegal immigration is very low in voter priority.
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It's nothing like that because Bernie would actually work toward lowering the costs of college tuition. Would that actually happen? There are plenty of reasons why it won't. But that doesn't mean Bernie is actually lying about making an effort toward it.

What you're saying is that Trump is actually flat out lying about deporting illegal immigrants and wouldn't even try.
 
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Another 7 months of this, why god why?! If there is one election that matters, and needs everyone to vote, its this one. Holy shit.

And in my opinion I think it wise Bernie drop out and help Hillary. Them fighting is not helping anyone, while Trump on the other side is alone and brewing up a shitstorm.

Not to mention he has fucking Fox News on his side.
 
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lenovox1 said:
So you think that because Trump "isn't sugar coating it," it will lead to a decrease of such actions, especially considering how much leeway the president and her military advisers have in this matter?
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no, i don't think that, and i didn't say that.

i was just musing about how sad it is that people react with complete disgust and accusations of war crimes when Trump talks about killing families of terrorists, while at the same time supporting a president who has been doing that on a large scale for a long time. and likely also while supporting a candidate (hillary) who will continue the policy. who are the war criminals? are we pro or anti war criminals?
 
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Blader said:
It's nothing like that because Bernie would actually work toward lowering the costs of college tuition. Would that actually happen? There are plenty of reasons why it won't. But that doesn't mean Bernie is actually lying about making an effort toward it.
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Hillary knows much of what Bernie is proposing isn't based in reality and has said as much. Whether he is lying or just ignorant on the hindrances to his goals is unknown. The same for Trump. Trump could be lying or just ignorant of the hindrances to such a policy, either way it doesn't happen.
 
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Nibiru said:
Hillary knows much of what Bernie is proposing isn't based in reality and has said as much. Whether he is lying or just ignorant on the hindrances to his goals is unknown. The same for Trump. Trump could be lying or just ignorant of the hindrances to such a policy, either way it doesn't happen.
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You're missing my point. Bernie's proposals for cheaper college education or single-payer healthcare may not be feasible -- certainly not in the next four years -- but he would still make a good faith effort toward those goals, no matter how doomed they might be.

I'm not arguing against the feasibility of Trump's promise to deport 11 million immigrants -- obviously that could never happen for a number of reasons. The issue is Trump saying he WANTS to do that. So if you vote for Trump, you're either saying "I want Trump to make a good faith effort toward deporting 11 million immigrants even if it doesn't work out" or you're acknowledging that he's lying about performing those deportations at all, in which case, who the fuck knows what he actually wants to do or will do. And I don't think "well, he's just ignorant of why that policy could never work out" is much of a ringing endorsement either.

As has been pointed out before, this double standard of Hillary being a lying snake but Trump just playing an act and that's ok is absurd. You can't have it both ways.
 
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I'm just watching these Jeb Bush airhorn videos for the first time, and I actually can't control my laughter whenever one of them hits. Trump should consider hiring someone to follow him around with one.
 
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He hasn't suspended it yet however.

Also there has to be a deal because Kasich basically admitted multiple times he was staying in to fight a contest.
 
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