Do you guys actually think Donald Trump can get the nomination
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I truly doubt it. As others have said, once more people start dropping out of the GOP race, those voters will have to start to look elsewhere. If those voters supporting other candidates don't care for Trump right now, I doubt they will turn their votes to him once their candidate drops out of the race.
PhoenixDark
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Trump won't win one primary or caucus.
Dicktatorship
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I'd agree with you if every adult in the US was the type to make informed decisions. But a lot of them don't. In fact there really is absolutely no excuse for them not to be informed already. We spend so much time on the internet and some don't even care enough to read up on the candidates before voting for one.
Change has to take place within. At some point some of those people might gain the slightest bit of political awareness and responsibility but others won't. When it comes to deciding who will run this country we can't wait for people to "git good" and we owe it to ourselves and everyone else to try and limit the politically destructive tendencies of the people around us.
Shakespeare? Church? How about a randomized test about the candidates and their political positions that selects from a large pool of questions that the voter has to correctly answer before voting. Maybe it could be bundled with the voting software at the booths. There are a lot of ways it could be done.
FinalStageBoss
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Lmao absolutely not.
VincentMatts
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Fact that hes even there now is sad.
You would think that would be obvious, but here we have people typing out multiple paragraphs on the subject.
DoktorEvil
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Hell no! People are going along with the joke.
Then again, the American people voted an actor in as President so who knows.
If he won the Nomination, I believe it would be for helping Hilary win and poisoning the Republican well.
Duane Cunningham
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Nah. For non Americans out there: we're just fuckin' around because it's so early in the election. Trump isn't really going anywhere
speculawyer
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Originally, no. I thought he was a complete joke with no chance.
But now . . . I can see it happening. He is a really good speaker. He's hitting some of their favorite talking points, he's been immune to attacks (a birther, McCain insult, Megyn dispute, etc.) there is an anti-establishment mood, and his main competition are dead fish (Walker & Bush) or fools (Rubio).
I think he has a 40% chance or so.
But now . . . I can see it happening. He is a really good speaker. He's hitting some of their favorite talking points, he's been immune to attacks (a birther, McCain insult, Megyn dispute, etc.) there is an anti-establishment mood, and his main competition are dead fish (Walker & Bush) or fools (Rubio).
I think he has a 40% chance or so.
But what if none of that, the candidates' policies and beliefs, matters to the person? There are people out there whose vote will depend on whether the candidate is anti-abortion or not. For them knowing that the Republican nominee wants to get rid of abortion is being an educated voter.
I believe in the Trump that believes in himself. His hair is the hair that will build the wall. Don't underestimate him. He doesn't care about time, or reason or... multi-dimensional whatevers! He doesn't give a damn about that. Force your way down a path YOU choose to take, and do it all yourself! That's the way Team Trump rolls! Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! Trump Trump, Fight the power!
Henchmen21
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Lol at all the people saying he doesn't have chance. So much crow going to be eaten when he gets the nom.
diablos991
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Sure.
I would be OK with this. I like ideas from both candidates.
My vote right now is torn between Trump and Sanders.
Dicktatorship
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I don't see why they couldn't just google that to begin with if it was such a gigantic issue for them?
BertramCooper
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If this shit ends up in a brokered GOP convention, virtually anything could happen. But no, I don't think he'll get it.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if he does get the nomination. The damage he's doing is going to be hard for the GOP to undo, even more so if he runs as an independent in the general.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if he does get the nomination. The damage he's doing is going to be hard for the GOP to undo, even more so if he runs as an independent in the general.
His only chance at getting the Republican nomination is if the field stays large and he's able to win a bunch of early states despite only getting ~30% of the vote.
Since IMO a bunch of people will drop out before Iowa (or immediately after), no, I don't think he has a chance.
Since IMO a bunch of people will drop out before Iowa (or immediately after), no, I don't think he has a chance.
j_k_redtail
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Nope. Eventually the GOP field will shrink.
BronsonLee
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Nah. This is a Brewster's Millions attack.
...Though if I remember that movie correctly..
...Though if I remember that movie correctly..
Ganzlinger
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If Vince McMahon becomes his vice, no one could defeat them.
Goro Majima
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Only reason I think he can win the nomination is because I don't think Jeb will win it when I thought he was a shoe-in a few months ago.
If anything, Trump's popularity is damning of the Republican ability to field an obvious candidate.
If anything, Trump's popularity is damning of the Republican ability to field an obvious candidate.
I think it's easy to vote for him in a poll that doesn't matter as some sort of middle finger to the establishment. It's a whole other thing to truly use your vote for him come primary time.
The way he acts.. to vote him into our nations highest executive office. One that has to deal with foreign leaders on the regular. I refuse to believe there is a large section of America that is willing to do it.
The way he acts.. to vote him into our nations highest executive office. One that has to deal with foreign leaders on the regular. I refuse to believe there is a large section of America that is willing to do it.
What I'm saying is that your definition of being an educated voter clashes with what other people could consider being an educated voter. If someone's main issue which trumps all is abortion then knowing a candidate's budgetary policy or their foreign relation plans is meaningless information.
Consider this: I'm sure there are a non-negligible amount of voters who believe that knowing which denomination of Christianity each candidate practices is an important piece of information. I voted for Obama and have absolutely no idea what denomination he belongs to. There are no doubt millions of people out there who would consider me an ill-informed voter for lacking that knowledge, something I would never even think of as valuable information.
I thought no up until the first debate, but now I'm about 50/50. It's early though, and candidates have to start dropping out at some point. They just need a couple of them to separate themselves from the pack. Problem is the candidates who were expected to be at the top, Bush and Paul, completely wilted in the spotlight.
DoktorEvil
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Googling for information isn't as simple as getting one clear and direct answer.
It becomes a media circus to follow the Presidential candidates and frustrating to discern what they claim as policy and what they would truly enact when in office.
Being an educated voter might be someone who's focused on just voting for one issue, which frankly is a huge subset of Americans.
TheWorthyEdge
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Yes.
Hari Seldon
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I didn't think so, but the ratings were so ridiculously high for the first debate that he has a legit shot. The Republican debates are now must-see TV, and he has a populist message with an extreme amount of charisma. His only downfall is that he is a shithead personally. But honestly the days of people caring about personal qualities of their leaders might be waning. Caring about moral impeccability above all else is how W got elected.
Too early to tell but the one thing I expected at the first debate didn't happen like it should.
Trumps liberal policies should've been brought up by the politicians. Instead it was brought up by the moderators.
Even after a perfect setup the politicians didn't go after him. In fact, two praised Trump.
As a result I think the gop is too weak to kill trump early. He'll remain top 2 till the votes.
Trumps liberal policies should've been brought up by the politicians. Instead it was brought up by the moderators.
Even after a perfect setup the politicians didn't go after him. In fact, two praised Trump.
As a result I think the gop is too weak to kill trump early. He'll remain top 2 till the votes.
Dicktatorship
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Then the only viable solution is to impose one definition of what an educated voter is. This will cause some outcry, but if we're fine with the government arbitrarily defining and imposing laws on littering, or for actually spying on us (hardly nobody cares enough to do anything about it) then the government could push it through and that would be the end of it. Of course people would bitch about it, but if the NASA scandal is anything to go by then bitching about it doesn't do a damn thing anyway.
Pretty sure hes going to go farther than most gaf thinks. Trump is selling him self as a person and the idea of the results he can achieve. Details dont matter as much to the masses and in most cases just confuses them. Keeping things as simple and and as close to an 8th-11th grade level is smart and intentional. It's actually the best way to communicate when trying to appeal to the masses. Hes also not as stupid or awful of a candidate as some here make him out to be. Yes hes bugging the fuck out on some things and is far from perfect, but none of the candidates are perfect. I'm on the Sanders and Trump train.
He's also selling that he's not the typical politician. This is actually a different take on Obamas hope and change rhetoric. This time the change is that the U.S. Needs to stop electing people that get bullied by rich lobbyists and need someone with good business sense to get the U.S. out of debt and more jobs to Americans
DoktorEvil
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Unemployment rate current around 5.9-6%
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
IF he's the answer for more jobs, I don't want it.
I hear a lot that people say other Republican candidates would have a better chance of winning a presidential race than Trump. I'm not sure why that is. Trump has positions on some issues that might appeal to some independents and Democrats who don't want Clinton. I find it hard to imagine any of the other Republican candidates would appeal to many of those voters. He is also one of the least religious candidates, which may also translate to non-Republican support.
The Republican race could really use a fiscal conservative with more modern thinking on social issues. Where is that candidate? It looks like Trump is the closest person to fit that description. Scott "I think God created the Earth" Walker is not going to have much crossover appeal. Trump also has created a public persona, genuine or not, that he doesn't take any BS from anyone. That probably speaks to voters as well. I only see Trump losing if he drops out because of an as yet unpublicized scandal.
The Republican race could really use a fiscal conservative with more modern thinking on social issues. Where is that candidate? It looks like Trump is the closest person to fit that description. Scott "I think God created the Earth" Walker is not going to have much crossover appeal. Trump also has created a public persona, genuine or not, that he doesn't take any BS from anyone. That probably speaks to voters as well. I only see Trump losing if he drops out because of an as yet unpublicized scandal.
Some people dispute the validity of that number, and the rhetoric is more high wage jobs for Americans. This is stuff people like to here. Way more pleasing to the ear than literally any talking point I've heard any other GOP candidate say.
For republicans, it's a given all candidates are gonna be against abortion, want less taxes... Yeah yeah they all say the same thing. But trump has a slightly different spin which is giving him extra attention
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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He for sure will get the nom. The other candidates aren't in the same weight class on any level. He mops the floor with them without even trying, and none of those clowns want anything to do with being on the receiving end when he does try. It's going to be a brutality.
DoktorEvil
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He has never held a major office in politics. His dad was much less flamboyant and less of a self-promoting shitheel. Fred Trump actually did SOME good for NYC compared to his son.
No matter what he says, he does not represent someone I want to represent America in international politics, let alone in the Oval Office.
Kinda funny considering he was host of a program where he exclusively fired people.
NYCmetsfan
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No, money will dry up for certain candidates causing them to drop out. With a narrowing field and the actual general approaching voters will care more about electability than someone "telling it like it is." Polling at 25% isn't amazing for September.
They also haven't even started advertising Bush with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads will be able to damage trump.
Really Ive I was a billionare who wanted a chance at the white house I'd choose some looser candidate and funnel money exclusively to attack Trump and damage him (Paul or Christie). The longer Trump stays in the more he forces candidates to take stupid stances like the Wall and ending Birthright citizenship
They also haven't even started advertising Bush with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads will be able to damage trump.
Really Ive I was a billionare who wanted a chance at the white house I'd choose some looser candidate and funnel money exclusively to attack Trump and damage him (Paul or Christie). The longer Trump stays in the more he forces candidates to take stupid stances like the Wall and ending Birthright citizenship
gutter_trash
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Trump doesn't have a money problem but other mid-card and low-card candidates do.
when the GOP field starts thinning out with the low-card candidates dropping out like flies due to running out of money (Like Rick Perry is already going home), the establishment will try to nab the rest of the straggling delegates towards the establishment chosen candidate.
Some Primaries and Caucuses also have strange rules, differing rules and other oddities. The establishment is more influential than most people think
when the GOP field starts thinning out with the low-card candidates dropping out like flies due to running out of money (Like Rick Perry is already going home), the establishment will try to nab the rest of the straggling delegates towards the establishment chosen candidate.
Some Primaries and Caucuses also have strange rules, differing rules and other oddities. The establishment is more influential than most people think
Question: has any other candidate ever won the nomination, who was so clearly not a party-player? From what I heard on Dan Carlin's podcast, Trump said he would not pledge to support the party if he didn't win the nom.
I just can't see the GOP allowing him to take the nomination, which is quite the indictment of our political system.
I just can't see the GOP allowing him to take the nomination, which is quite the indictment of our political system.
PhoenixDark
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Only idiots dispute the validity of the number in of itself. It's the accepted unemployment rate. If you want to talk about underemployment and other issues that's a different argument.
Quite the masterful play. If they dick Trump is will make them look bad and make him look more for the people and anti establishment. As another poster above said, Trump is making a different play on the Obama "change" appeal. This time saying we need someone whos not a politician and who wont buckle to powerful people peddling "pennies" there's also this appeal in the sense that Trump is a republican on economics and all related issues but more open on social issues. There's also a good amount of republicans who are religious in same way Trump is, which is a sorta kind way, even if he tries to portray otherwise.
When all is said and done the deciding factor will be the perception he can create...
cpp_is_king
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The only reason people need the GOP to embrace them is so they can get the financial backing of the GOP. One of Trump's biggest selling points is that he doesn't need anyone's financial backing, and isn't bought.
There's no way he's going to lose the nomination if he keeps polling the way he is. Whether he can beat Hilary or Bernie is a different story, but I think there's a much better than average chance he will end up being the republican nominee.
Like him or not, there is at least one thing about him that is undeniably great. It's that he's bringing to light that both republicans and democrats alike are sick of traditional GOP politics. He's making a public mockery of the GOP, and in doing so calling attention to the fact that the GOP is even distanced from the core conservative voter base. Win or lose, I hope he brings about meaningful change in the republican party going forward.
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