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Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard Defamation trial live
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plasmawave
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Believe all women? Even Amber Heard? The Johnny Depp lawsuit raises questions about our approach to assault allegations
Unless you happen to live on under a rock, you’ve probably heard of the name Johnny Depp. And if you’ve heard of him, then you’re most likely familiar with his ex-wife, Amber Hear…
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Hawking Radiation
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Fuck, I can't get home to watch this train wreck from Amber Turd 
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You can't die before your death
How is Johnny who escapes and lock himself in rooms to avoid arguing with her punch her more than she can count? It is obvious who is the abusive one in the relationship.
Pagusas
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Honestly it feels like his popularity is rising and a major studio would love the chance to ride that wave to some box office money. if he wins this trial what’s to lose by taking a chance on him?
PaddyOCanager
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All she has to give is her word and the man is 100% guilty.......a man needs to have millions of dollars, a public profile, video and audio evidence, multiple witnesses, police reports, psychological tests, the most expensive lawyers in the world, and so on to still have people say "it seems that both were abusive to each other".
ChorizoPicozo
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I wasn't following this circus at all. But I was recommended several videos on youtube with clickbait titles like:
"Amber's lawyers are desperate"
"Amber made Paul Betney's children cry"
"Amber's lies exposed" or shit to that effect.
Titles clearly biased in favor of Jack Sparrow. So I watched some clips and I was like, yep (your clickbait YouTubers who are obsessed with a specific narrative).
But then I was starting to notice how many women (if not all) at least on Youtube support Jonny Depp. So, I start to watch the actual trial...
I just gonna say: If Willy Wonka loses is not going to be because he didn't have any chance of winning, but because his team of lawyers drop the ball.
"Amber's lawyers are desperate"
"Amber made Paul Betney's children cry"
"Amber's lies exposed" or shit to that effect.
Titles clearly biased in favor of Jack Sparrow. So I watched some clips and I was like, yep (your clickbait YouTubers who are obsessed with a specific narrative).
But then I was starting to notice how many women (if not all) at least on Youtube support Jonny Depp. So, I start to watch the actual trial...
I just gonna say: If Willy Wonka loses is not going to be because he didn't have any chance of winning, but because his team of lawyers drop the ball.
Salz01
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When I see or watch clips of her testimony, I keep thinking that she literally shit the bed. She is full of shit. She comes across as disingenuous to me. He was acting and hamming it up when he was in the hot seat, but she seems ultra fake. He is obviously the better actor. She is trying so hard not to pay him back any money. It’s sad because there are real battered women, spouses out there. I’m sure they both fucked up and did and said nasty things, but she took it to a whole new level by writing those shitty columns. I also noticed that he won’t look at her. Like at all. Ever. She glances at him to see what his reaction is.
ChorizoPicozo
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Well. Wonka's lawyers have to be on point. Today they dropped the ball hard.
Salz01
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Which section did they drop the ball?
ChorizoPicozo
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Dr. Hughes cross-examination.
Salz01
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I watched part of it. Seemed he was going on forever with no point. Or the point was she never examined Johnny directly, and that she was/is just a minor player on the defensive team. I’ll watch the rest in a bit.
ChorizoPicozo
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Jonny's lawyer was not in control of the witness. Yes or No questions were the Dr.was able to go on and on justifying herself. And the lawyer was not able to make a stronger point.
Nico_D
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Oh god. I try not to be biased, I really do, but that is really bad improv for, supposedly, a professional actress. She plays it like a really badly written drama and hamming it like an amateur wanna-be actress.
Nico_D
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I don't think so. It started pretty weak but got a lot stronger when they managed to show how she halfassed the "gold standard" test and the has guts to criticizes Dr. Curry.
Also, I think letting her talk more was good. The come up as likable with nothing to hide and she comes up with excuses.
ChorizoPicozo
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We shall see. For jonny to win has to be an unanimous verdict right?.
nush
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Only after the fact when the man moves on to another healthy relationship and she continues to be abusive to the next men she is with, do you even stand a chance of a posthumous "Well, maybe it was her after all" as a man.
Nico_D
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I think he probably won't win the actual defamation case but he may win back the audience and his employers. And to me, that is pretty much the same as winning the case even if the technicalities - how hard it is to prove - come in the way of proving the harm.
Lukaku's First Touch
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now we know why the her wanted to stop the trial
ChorizoPicozo
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He has all the facts (in the way the lawyers presented his case). Is on the JD lawyers to 'expose' the truth (in a pretty undeniable way) to the jury.
He already won that.
To many individuals that's would be enough. But the actual verdict could mean a massive change on the discourse on the Me Too movement (at least on social media).
ChorizoPicozo
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That is a standard procedure. In fact; if they didn't try to do it would be considered malpractice.
Nico_D
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I continued watching the Dr's testimony. I think JD's lawyers are on point when they are listing all the things Amber was doing - including level 3 somelier test or something - while supposedly under PTSD. I really like how confident they are, they don't underline every single thing like Amber's lawyer do who won't let people finish their sentences and just keep repeating what witnesses say or trying to redirect the answers - or even object their own question.
Edit: This doctor really comes off in a bad light. She has spent a lot of time with Amber, done the tests and she doesn't know much about anything and she has only used material that supports her view and not used anything that contradicts it. It can't say I understand why anyone on that professional level do that. She just doesn't seem to be - or doesn't want to be - aware of her client's problems in any other way than Amber being a victim.
Edit: This doctor really comes off in a bad light. She has spent a lot of time with Amber, done the tests and she doesn't know much about anything and she has only used material that supports her view and not used anything that contradicts it. It can't say I understand why anyone on that professional level do that. She just doesn't seem to be - or doesn't want to be - aware of her client's problems in any other way than Amber being a victim.
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ChorizoPicozo
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I mean, JD lawyer was learning to speak English it seems, and he is a senior lawyer as well. He looked amateurish.
The doctor said that there was no evidence of previous abusive relationships/events on amber side (or something to that effect) previous to Jonny Depp. The lawyer didn't point that out at all.
He stumbled to make the point of bias in favor of women as the only victims (in a hetero relationship). And so many other examples.
That cross was not as strong as should have been. Remember; the burden of proof is on Jonny's side.
Why before amber heard i had no idea woman could lie, this is so shocking, what are we supposed to do when someone accuses someone else of a crime? Form an opinion based upon the preponderance of evidence available? That takes critical thinking, I hate thatBelieve all women? Even Amber Heard? The Johnny Depp lawsuit raises questions about our approach to assault allegations
Unless you happen to live on under a rock, you’ve probably heard of the name Johnny Depp. And if you’ve heard of him, then you’re most likely familiar with his ex-wife, Amber Hear…
Nico_D
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I absolutely agree, he stumbling to speak was not good. It wasn't perfect but I don't think it was that bad either. I was, somewhat, convinced. But it did come off a bit unprepared which can't be true.
I think though that the strategy to leave things open for the jury to draw conclusions was intentional. I hope it was.
This was interesting - if really true, haven't watched Amber's testimony yet:
plasmawave
Banned
Amber is a true psycho.
PaddyOCanager
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The problem with the cross exam is more about missed opportunity. They got bogged down with the validity of her "test" when that shit should be saved until Dr. Curry can do it in a rebuttal. Having an experienced professional eviscerate her methodology is way better than having a lawyer try and speak on something they aren't an expert in. He could've just said something quick like "you didn't even bother to fill out the form" or something along those lines to plant the seed for rebuttal.
Instead, he should've had the court transcript from previous day in front of him so he could've quoted her exact statement when she opened the door for bringing in Ms Heard's previous domestic violence case. He didn't quote her exact statement, was forced into sidebar, and lost this massive opportunity.
Also, he should have hammered her on the bias angle. Every other question or follow up should have been related to her bias. Again, if he'd used the transcript he could have quoted exactly how she referred to men as abusers categorically. Your average juror understands bias pretty easily - psychological testing, not so much.
Getting bogged down on the test was not good, especially with Ms Heard taking the stand subsequently. More photos of his injuries, more of the recordings, his hard evidence vs the lack of hard evidence for Ms Heard......you want to leave the jury thinking about Johnny after every witness, not some test.
Nico_D
Member
Yes, that weird how he didn't have it in front of him and just had to drop the whole thing. Better not to start at all if you aren't able to finish it.
But I disagree on hammering it in. Amber's lawyers did that before with bad results and now they have clearly changed their strategy to be less aggressive.
PaddyOCanager
Member
Good news is, I read somewhere that Amber is going to be crossed by the lovely Camille instead of that guy:
Hope she's got what it takes.
ChorizoPicozo
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I think there is a huge pause on the trial (10 days) after tomorrow. I don't think the jury is not going to be able to avoid all the discourse around the trial. And there is an overwhelming support for Jonny on social media.I absolutely agree, he stumbling to speak was not good. It wasn't perfect but I don't think it was that bad either. I was, somewhat, convinced. But it did come off a bit unprepared which can't be true.
I think though that the strategy to leave things open for the jury to conclude was intentional. I hope it was.
This was interesting - if really true, haven't watched Amber's testimony yet:
What I am saying is that I even 'hate' Amber and I don't even know who she is. In other words, a 10-minute search on YouTube about this trial makes Amber look like pure evil.
Uuuhhh...I absolutely agree, he stumbling to speak was not good. It wasn't perfect but I don't think it was that bad either. I was, somewhat, convinced. But it did come off a bit unprepared which can't be true.
I think though that the strategy to leave things open for the jury to draw conclusions was intentional. I hope it was.
This was interesting - if really true, haven't watched Amber's testimony yet:
Okay then. Hope the JD team is alerted to this and bring it up in cross.
plasmawave
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Apparently someone has found JD's "cocaine" box?
plasmawave
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"Drink tea. There's lot's of tea." From Notting Hill.
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There's a whole bunch of them. I feel like Amber is pranking us.
Drink tea. There's lots of tea.
Notting Hill (1999) clip with quote Drink tea. There's lots of tea. Yarn is the best search for video clips by quote. Find the exact moment in a TV show, movie, or music video you want to share. Easily move forward or backward to get to the perfect clip.
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There's a whole bunch of them. I feel like Amber is pranking us.
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Lukaku's First Touch
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I know jury etc... can't read about the trial on social media, but depp's legal team can no? They can read all this stuff and bring up during questioning right? Like with the concealer she supposedly used and then the brand came out saying it didn't exist yet.
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Gloomnivore
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I can’t help but feel sorry for Amber Heard. Either these things happened to her or (more likely) she’s genuinely insane.
Win or lose, the only thing left for her career after this is to do a reality show with Dr Curry who takes her under her wing and tries to house train her.
Win or lose, the only thing left for her career after this is to do a reality show with Dr Curry who takes her under her wing and tries to house train her.
macfoshizzle
Member
Good news is, I read somewhere that Amber is going to be crossed by the lovely Camille instead of that guy:
Hope she's got what it takes.
Any body shot of her??
Pejo
Gold Member
"Drink tea. There's lot's of tea." From Notting Hill.
Drink tea. There's lots of tea.
Notting Hill (1999) clip with quote Drink tea. There's lots of tea. Yarn is the best search for video clips by quote. Find the exact moment in a TV show, movie, or music video you want to share. Easily move forward or backward to get to the perfect clip.
There's a whole bunch of them. I feel like Amber is pranking us.
Man that thread keeps going and going, pretty wild.
elcapitano
Member
How is Depp and his team supposed to prove a negative? Isn't it essentially impossible to prove he didn't abuse her.
All the "Evidence" in this case is circumstantial which to me means Depp should win easily but I don't think that's how it's going to go sadly.
All the "Evidence" in this case is circumstantial which to me means Depp should win easily but I don't think that's how it's going to go sadly.
Dis
Member
Is she going to be cross examined today?
Her story is a mockery of what real DV survivors go through
Comes off as fabricated
Victims are love bombed/discard.
She tells how he was so generous and then dissapeared. To make sure her story satisfies those talking points.
I also saw a yt video or article about ppl who tell a truthful story talk about details
Thats why she talks about carpet, breath on the window. To make sure she ticks off that box.
Her story is a mockery of what real DV survivors go through
Comes off as fabricated
Victims are love bombed/discard.
She tells how he was so generous and then dissapeared. To make sure her story satisfies those talking points.
I also saw a yt video or article about ppl who tell a truthful story talk about details
Thats why she talks about carpet, breath on the window. To make sure she ticks off that box.
Hardensoul
Member
Doubt it, most of her testimony today has about abuse during the dating phase. It looks like there’s going to be more of it. The UK trial she was on for 4 days and wasn’t getting cross examination.
There’s also a break, which could be really bad fore her. Especially if Plaintifss find out about these Movie/tv lines or she forget the lies she’s been saying on the stand.
Edit: Johnny’s lawyers will have a week to prepare for the cross. Because Judge is going on a conference, so no hearings next week.
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Hardensoul
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You just need to realize, for Johnny to win he needs a unanimous decision which means all 7 needs to rule in his favor.
Jurors are insulated, if they follow the rules. They can’t watch or read about the trial. They don’t get all the commentary like us viewers do. They can only rule on what they see in court.
When I was a Juror, it was hard to remember all that was presented and said, thankfully we were given note pads after first day. But I’m not sure if that is allowed in this trial.
It really does come to Jury selection and The closing augments are huge too. Both sides agreed on theses Jurors.
The trial I was part of, in closing arguments the prosecutors highlighted some key evidence that a lot of us Jurors missed. Which helped jog our memories.
This will be a long trial, who knows how these Jurors will rule. But the system is not broken if their ruling is what we perceived wrong.
Edit: Defamation is a tough case to win. But I hope Johnny Depp wins!
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ManaByte
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He won’t win back Disney.
DeepEnigma
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DeepEnigma
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Ofc it looks like a Motorola Razr circa 2005 potato cam even though it's an iPhone. Ofc it does.
That looks like the bruise I got when I got the Yellow Fever vaccine. This bitch lying
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