Mighty Chin
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Cap is awesome! I'm not sure why Thor has to redeem himself. I'm still confused how he became unworthy.
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Jonathan Hickmans New Avengers / Avengers |OT| Thanos is in this (Spoilers)
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They still haven't revealed that nugget. I imagine it'll come out in the she-Thor comics.
No one agrees with my theory?
Is the next issue of Avengers the one with the Ultimates #1 cover?
No one agrees with my theory?
Is the next issue of Avengers the one with the Ultimates #1 cover?
Yes, that'll be out next week.
As for your theory, whoever Alal is he has to powerful enough to fight off all the Ivory Kings which as Manmademan said is utterly bonkers.
I also agree with Loke, it can't be a Franklin because even at his most powerful depiction he'd be outclassed by the totality of the Ivory Kings, which is assuming he could even hold off one of them when he struggled against 3 mad Celestials.
Yes, I was only kidding about Magician because of how dumb that arc was.
Any theories yourself? I wonder if Rabum Al will relate to Hickman's Ultimate Universe work. I'm only just starting to catch up on the UU post-Ultimatum so I should get to Hickman soon.
We know Miles plays a part in Secret Wars at least.
Gambit 1138
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Knowing Hickman it's gonna be
Reed Richards aka the Walter White of the Marvel Multiverse
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Considering Rabum Alal and Molecule Man apparently originated on the same world, and considering Molecule Man's origin story led to the appearance of the Beyonder, it's still possible Rabum Alal is this particular Beyonder, a Beyonder gone rogue and possibly more powerful than the others.
Anyway, it's very likely MM's backstory is getting retconned/expanded one way or the other.
Edit: it's mentionned a bit off-handedly and the art doesn't help but the catalyst could be these domes appearing at incursion sites. These domes gave me a Hickman Ultimates vibe.
Anyway, it's very likely MM's backstory is getting retconned/expanded one way or the other.
Edit: it's mentionned a bit off-handedly and the art doesn't help but the catalyst could be these domes appearing at incursion sites. These domes gave me a Hickman Ultimates vibe.
Gambit 1138
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Oh ok but why does
Secret Wars Beyonder look like a human 80s dude and these guys look like generic aliens? Also, it was already established that their is a race of beyonders or is that something Hickman created?
We have no idea, they've shown up for 1 panel.
I think it's going to be something or someone new. I'm not really sure about how the Ultimates stuff fits in. Someone remind me.
Speaking of Beyonders, ya'll remember that one time Hickman had Sheriff Sue Storm gunfight one?
Palette Swap
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I wouldn't mind them at all if I liked all the rotating artists but I really didn't like this week's guy.
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Same, this week and a few other issues have had less than stellar art. I also mind it much less if the art changes after a small arc rather than every other issue.
Manmademan
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he's not actually. at least last time I checked.
Post-retcon beyonder (let's not talk about Pre-retcon), was actually only a fraction of the power that usually goes into a cosmic cube. That power was drawn in from an extradimensional source, but wasn't properly contained as cubes usually are- part of it went into molecule man, the other part became self aware and eventually called itself "the beyonder." The BeyonderS are extradimensional beings that ALLOW the creation of cosmic cubes in the first place. Beyonder (singular) is only a fraction of a fraction as strong as the true BeyonderS, who have never actually been shown on panel before.
Well shit, that's even worse.
Manmademan
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yup. I don't even have an analogy for how strong those things are implied to be. I'm actually at a complete loss as to what rabum alal even is, if it can actually oppose one of those, let alone more than one.
PhoncipleBone
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Rabum Alal will be The One Above All
Manmademan
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can't be. rabum alal's "birth" was the event that caused the destruction of the "wrong" earth and started the incursions.
TOAA has been established to have been around for much, much longer than that. Whatever it is, is new.
PhoncipleBone
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I was half joking. Maybe One Above All became a woman and had a bastard child with Franklin Richards.
I am still joking.
Maybe it has something to do with that universe Doom created in FF? Or Valeria taking over the Council of Reed's multiversal work space. Considering where she is it's odd we haven't seen her at all yet.
Manmademan
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What, Valeria? we've seen her plenty of times. She's hanging out in Latveria with Doom, and had a couple amusing issues of Avengers World (mostly) to herself.
Future Valeria took over the space the Council of Reeds was working out of at the end of Hickman FF run. Future Franklin's shown up a few times now, it's odd she hasn't considering her new base would probably give her a pretty good view of the collapse.
Manmademan
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oh, the future one. Good question, no idea.
Possible, but too much like Monitor, Anti-Monitor relationship.
Gambit 1138
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Maybe Rabum Alal is Ultimate Universe Beyonder
Given that everything in the Ultimate universe is full of fucking fail I'm going to go ahead and say no.
The Silver
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obviously pre-retcon Beyonder has returned
Napoleonthechimp
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I thought the beyonder was singular, not one of many weird looking pan-dimensional aliens. This stuff is so confusing.
Eh it seem's more like post-retcon has returned or just the race themselves have returned. There is no evidence that pre-retcon is even back in this new sw or will be used at all.
They tried to tie-in cosmic cube beyonder (this is retconned/post-retcon beyonder) to the beyonders (the race) in one of ff issues after the retcon, originally pre-retcon had nothing to do with them at all aside from having a fairly similar name (very similar), not to mention he was a very different character power wise than any of the retcons (and idea wise).
Still possible hickman might use his own twist and take on these 2 character's/stories and we might see some form of that actual beyonder we know of, i guess we'll just have to wait and see in the coming month's...and it's not like he has to stick to any particular retcon.
fallengorn
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Christopher Lloyd as Maximus?
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It would actually make sense that Ultimate Reed would lead the Cabal or be part of it.
Thematically, having a Reed vs Reed thing going on would tie 3 Hickman runs in one stroke.
Just give me Leonardo or MichelAngelo to tie S.H.I.E.L.D. too.
Thematically, having a Reed vs Reed thing going on would tie 3 Hickman runs in one stroke.
Just give me Leonardo or MichelAngelo to tie S.H.I.E.L.D. too.
Well, that's turned out badly...
No that's just a symbol used he created for himself and The City after he went bad.
Also:
Memento Mori
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When I re-read FF recently that whole scene with Valeria implied to me she was involved with the creation of the Black Swans in some way. The Council of Reeds' base is somewhat similar to the Black Swans'.
That is theory that is going around on the internet. I also think Black Swan herself is some kind of Valeria
So I just had a thought, maybe this has been covered, but what if Rabum Alal is Abraxas?
For those who don't know, Abraxas is the multiversal embodiment of destruction, he is the destruction of the multiverse made manifest, and he is kept contained by Galactus. When Galactus is killed Abraxas emerges.
Well from Hickman's own Fantastic Four run...
... Galactus from another universe is killed and his body's energy is harvested. So in theory in the universe that Galactus was pulled from, Abraxas should have emerged.
Eh? Plausible no?
For those who don't know, Abraxas is the multiversal embodiment of destruction, he is the destruction of the multiverse made manifest, and he is kept contained by Galactus. When Galactus is killed Abraxas emerges.
Well from Hickman's own Fantastic Four run...
... Galactus from another universe is killed and his body's energy is harvested. So in theory in the universe that Galactus was pulled from, Abraxas should have emerged.
Eh? Plausible no?
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Technically this one dead Galactus is not from an alternate universe but from the/a future, while we know Rabum Alal originated in a particular parallel universe.So I just had a thought, maybe this has been covered, but what if Rabum Alal is Abraxas?
For those who don't know, Abraxas is the multiversal embodiment of destruction, he is the destruction of the multiverse made manifest, and he is kept contained by Galactus. When Galactus is killed Abraxas emerges.
Well from Hickman's own Fantastic Four run...
... Galactus from another universe is killed and his body's energy is harvested. So in theory in the universe that Galactus was pulled from, Abraxas should have emerged.
Eh? Plausible no?
Still, I can't remember if it's shown or mentioned but I'm pretty sure the council of Reeds have gotten rid of Galactuses in several universes.
So I just had a thought, maybe this has been covered, but what if Rabum Alal is Abraxas?
For those who don't know, Abraxas is the multiversal embodiment of destruction, he is the destruction of the multiverse made manifest, and he is kept contained by Galactus. When Galactus is killed Abraxas emerges.
Well from Hickman's own Fantastic Four run...
... Galactus from another universe is killed and his body's energy is harvested. So in theory in the universe that Galactus was pulled from, Abraxas should have emerged.
Eh? Plausible no?
That seems a bit random given all this build up. Abraxas was like a one time thing in a 15 year old Jeff Loeb run on Fantastic Four. I think Rabum Alal will either tie into Hickman's own Marvel work, or something more significant. Also, Hickman's story seems to be wiping out a lot of the cosmic entities.
Manmademan
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Pretty sure that one is a dead end. Abraxas himself killed numerous alternate galactuses, and they didn't spawn more Abraxases. (Abraxi?)
There should only be one of him. There's supposedly only one ultimate nullifier, and one "prime" galactus more important than the alternates. That one is in 616, and that's the one keeping Abraxas contained.
Hey guys I followd the reading order guide someone posted on here and have currently finished up to issue 7 of new avengers and currently on issue 8 of avengers.
Did I miss something? These feel like two completely different events going on in different times. I don't see the connection so far.
In new avengers cap has his old outfit and ironman is busy doing stuff in wakanda but in avengers, cap is in his new outfit and tony stark is there.
Did I miss something? These feel like two completely different events going on in different times. I don't see the connection so far.
In new avengers cap has his old outfit and ironman is busy doing stuff in wakanda but in avengers, cap is in his new outfit and tony stark is there.
It'll come together soon enough. I don't think you're following the reading order though because you're supposed to start Avengers after Cap gets the boot from New Avengers.
Once you get through Infinity it'll start to sync up.
I followed this reading order to the T.
Quite confusing so far as they don't seem to happening at the same time.
But anyways as long as I'm in the right path it's fine.
Thanks for the help!
You're following the chart wrong, you should have read Avengers up to issue 13 before reading NA 7.