Joss Whedon did not like the way The Empire Strikes Back ended.
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The scene with the Thanos reveal could have been removed from the movie and absolutely nothing would be lost. That tells you all you need to know about the character's relevance to the story. All you need to know about Loki's backers is what you're told during the story. That they're powerful, and no one knows much about them.
sure, go ahead and ignore the rest of what i posted.
Arkos
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Damn I was wondering what you meant lol. Okay that makes more sense (although you did use a cooler weapon than in MW1)
peteykirch
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So I take it he absolutely despises the BTTF trilogy?
Hot Coldman
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The Thanos scene technically isn't even in the film. It's in the middle of the credits.
Fine. You really found the comment about French cinema having more open ended narratives outrageous?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The whole movie built up to Luke's showdown with Vader, which he had.
There was then the added bonus of an escape scene and an epilogue.
I don't know what he thought he saw.
Does he think that Rocky didn't have an ending because Rocky lost?
There was then the added bonus of an escape scene and an epilogue.
I don't know what he thought he saw.
Does he think that Rocky didn't have an ending because Rocky lost?
I wasn't saying that you could remove the Other. I said you could remove the Thanos reveal, and nothing would be lost. I didn't realize you meant both when you referred to Thanos.
Escape Goat
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All those movies had a resolution. Marty got back to 1985 and made his parents fall in love, Marty got the book back and set things right again and Marty rescued Doc and destroyed the time machine.
ESB has no resolution. The bad guys get their asses handed to them. The Empire is still in control and no major victories have been won.
IGotBillySoSpooked
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Empire's ending made me want to see Return of the Jedi more than anything.
Then I watched RotJ and was completely underwhelmed.
Then I watched RotJ and was completely underwhelmed.
onadesertedisland
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Not enough quippy dialogue, or strong female protagonist, or nerdy submissive beta males.
Count Dookkake
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Shit, even TPM is better.
Gentleman Jack
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Uh, what?
Now that I'm thinking about it, I think Han Solo is the only interesting character in all of Star Wars. The only one.
Kitschkraft
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I understand where he's coming from....but I really love the idea of the the bad guys getting a flawless victory. Luke gets owned. Han is captured. The Falcon gets away but the protagonists are left wondering just what the fuck happened. Wonderful.
Robot Pants
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Fuckin Ewoks.
peteykirch
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The FINAL one had a resolution....
ProfessorLobo
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the fuck? no.
Count Dookkake
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But 10 out 10 truths.
yeah, that's what i wrote. congratulations - you can read.
Femmeworth
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WyndhamPrice
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He's the only one that behaves like a real person and isn't just an archetype.
Lionel Mandrake
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The movies were supposed to play out like space opera serials. ESB ends like a space opera serial. I don't see a problem.
Absolutely nothing in Star Wars comes close to something like the Buffy episode "The Body", or "Restless". Buffy and Angel are just leagues better.
...this is when you tell me why you find it outrageous.
Mr. Luchador
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Whedon loves strong endings; which is good for him as networks usually end his shows pretty strongly.
Escape Goat
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What if you're a fan of both?
TV series is not a movie. And Angel was suddenly canceled.
I guess I can see where he's coming from, but I don't really agree. In the context of being part of a trilogy on top of being inspired by sci-fi serials, ESB's ending works fine. The bad guys win and you're left wondering what comes next, which sets up RotJ.
Damn. lol
Arkos
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Referee I'd say
Kids say the cutest things.
Buffy was a shit tv show, Empire is one of the best movies EVER made. He was right, it's no contest.
Escape Goat
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Buffy was a more compelling hero than Luke.
Willow was a better sidekick than the droids.
The Mayor was a more entertaining villain than the Emperor.
Angelus was a more menacing villain than Vader.
Jack Scofield
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MW2's ending is even better than COD4. Is your only issue that Makarov's is still alive, even though the "big bad" is killed? Or is it because of the throwaway line, "da, I know a place," and we don't see what that place is?
Seriously, MW2 was great.
lol
Escape Goat
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I think he meant season 7 of Buffy is a shit show. They had some weak story arcs in the show but Season 7 didn't even follow its own internal logic.
WrenchNinja
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It did have an ending. Luke fucked up, his friend gets captured and the galaxy is in terror again by the Empire. But theres still hope because Luke is reunited with Leia and the others and can regroup. Wtf are you smoking Whedon.
Escape Goat
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If by ending you mean the film stopped at some point then you are correct.
Sorry. I loved how it ended. I hated it when it happened, sure....but I love it now. It's how that series should end. Angel's internal battle is ongoing, and neverending. It's fitting that the last scene of our heroes should be them running head on into the biggest battle of their lives, just like they always have, and always will. Angel was a story of eternal struggle, and it shouldn't have ended with a conclusion.....so the way it ended, while people hated it, was perfect.
He honestly did the best he could with his sudden cancellation.
KittenMaster
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I always felt that it cut to the credits a bit too quickly, I wanted to stare out into space a little longer wondering what was to come.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. Honestly, I've always felt Star Wars was overrated anyway. Almost all of Whedon's work is significantly more interesting and compelling than anything Star Wars has to offer.
Season 7 is bad by Buffy standards, but I'll take it over 75% of other TV. I like it more than season 4.
Hahahahaha right? He has no reason to talk dammit.
TrumanBurbank
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I would like to ask, I saw Angel seasons 2-5 and loved it.
Never seen Buffy though. What seasons are the best and are must watch?
Never seen Buffy though. What seasons are the best and are must watch?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That doesn't mean he doesn't have a valid point.
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