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[ryutaro's mama]

It not being exactly blackface is not nearly the most important point of discussion here. I know you know that.

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[Maxim726X]

When both of those phrases described the same character, ummm.. yeah.

Not sure I follow.

Are you saying that the character from the TV show is similar to who was being used as a caricature that was used in minstrel shows?

It not being exactly blackface is not nearly the most important point of discussion here. I know you know that.

Really. Because going through this thread that seems to be the predominating topic of discussion.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

If you were to ask me, I'd say Lisa Lampanelli is the biggest minstrel act on the planet. Every bit as offensive as a blackface performer. But she barely gets criticized, and why? Because she doesn't paint her face? Is that really what it takes?

"I've fucked more black men than Hurricane Katrina."

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Really. Because going through this thread that seems to be the predominating topic of discussion.

That might have something to do with you having by far the most posts in this thread.

Yes, I'm saying you're the main culprit of derailing and shitty this thread up. Not that you began the 'is it really blackface' discussion but you're doing your best to make sure that it's pushed to the forefront.

 

[Maxim726X]

That might have something to do with you having by far the most posts in this thread.

Yes, I'm saying you're the main culprit of derailing and shitty this thread up. Not that you began the 'is it really blackface' discussion but you're doing your best to make sure that it's pushed to the forefront.

There were 8 pages of replies before I even posted, but I pushed it to the forefront? Look at the first 5 fucking pages.

The entire question of 'was this offensive' is completely tied to that concept. Tough shit if you don't like that.

 

[The Adder]

That might have something to do with you having by far the most posts in this thread.

Yes, I'm saying you're the main culprit of derailing and shitty this thread up. Not that you began the 'is it really blackface' discussion but you're doing your best to make sure that it's pushed to the forefront.

I think there are literally maybe 3 gaffers in this topic who have taken offense while referring to it as blackface.

All the other uses are either people screaming DON'T BE OFFENDED IT'S NOT BLACKFACE

Or people throwing Maxim's words back in his face

The entire question of 'was this offensive' is completely tied to that concept. Tough shit if you don't like that.

No it fucking isn't

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

There were 8 pages of replies before I even posted, but I pushed it to the forefront? Look at the first 5 fucking pages.

The entire question of 'was this offensive' is completely tied to that concept. Tough shit if you don't like that.

You literally have almost double the amount of posts as the 2nd most frequent poster, so yea, just like now you're continuing to push the idea that defining blackface is the utmost important thing here. I said you didn't start it so I'm not sure why I would need to look at the pages before you got here, but you undeniably are doing the most you can to keep it going.

You even said yourself that it is offensive, but not blackface perse so nah son,even according to you it's not completely tied.

 

[Shamrock7r]

I think we need to get the definition of Blackface from Webster, dictionary.com, wikipedia, and see if one of those old 90s encyclopedia sets has it. Next, we need everyone's personal definition of blackface.

Let's lump them all together, and as a group, I am sure we can find the one true universal definition of blackface.

 

[hipbabboom]

This is a slippery slope as usual. We know she put makeup on to imitate a black person because "its Halloween". Did she "get into character" as well? Does media perpetuate the stereotypes the character may (or may not) have? Hell did time magazine darken OJ Simpson's image to make him appear more sinister? Is racial profiling even a thing? While driving by a burning church and seeing the visage of a cross in flames, does one feel unsettled?

W can argue that imagery is harmless but it its a matter of perspective in that what someone may not find harmless can be symbols of terror to another person. When a society is aware of injustices and we come across something that can be perceived as such, intent aside, do we try to identify and educate ourselves on it while taking corrective actions or do we simply dismiss it as harmless?

This isn't harmless. How many more shades before you agree it's offensive?

 

[royalan]

This is a slippery slope as usual. We know she put makeup on to imitate a black person because "its Halloween". Did she "get into character" as well? Does media perpetuate the stereotypes the character may (or may not) have? Hell did time magazine darken OJ Simpson's image to make him appear more sinister? Is racial profiling even a thing? While driving by a burning church and seeing the visage of a cross in flames, does one feel unsettled?

W can argue that imagery is harmless but it its a matter of perspective in that what someone may not find harmless can be symbols of terror to another person. When a society is aware of injustices and we come across something that can be perceived as such, intent aside, do we try to identify and educate ourselves on it while taking corrective actions or do we simply dismiss it as harmless?

This isn't harmless. How many more shades before you agree it's offensive?

With a rationale as loose as this damn near everything could potentially be seen as harmless.

 

[Shamrock7r]

This is a slippery slope as usual. We know she put makeup on to imitate a black person because "its Halloween". Did she "get into character" as well? Does media perpetuate the stereotypes the character may (or may not) have? Hell did time magazine darken OJ Simpson's image to make him appear more sinister? Is racial profiling even a thing? While driving by a burning church and seeing the visage of a cross in flames, does one feel unsettled?

W can argue that imagery is harmless but it its a matter of perspective in that what someone may not find harmless can be symbols of terror to another person. When a society is aware of injustices and we come across something that can be perceived as such, intent aside, do we try to identify and educate ourselves on it while taking corrective actions or do we simply dismiss it as harmless?

This isn't harmless. How many more shades before you agree it's offensive?

The subject of sensitivity and what is or isn't "offensive" is always going to be tough, and sometime it is going to have to be an objective judgement call from a reasonable point of view. I think you get into a dangerous line of thinking when we try to take "corrective actions" on every instance of a person or a group of people being offended.

 

[hipbabboom]

With a rationale as loose as this damn near everything could potentially be seen as harmless.

How loose is it? I fear for the resolve for all that are taking the hardline that there's nothing to see here. I mean, when does this become offensive? She doesn't have to be racist for this to be offensive. It's offensive because you have a firm basis of what is socially acceptable and unacceptable. From that perspective, her views on race may or may not offer an explanation but that's after the fact. Also having a clear stance on what is acceptable doesn't leave you into strange waters such as "Well if it was 2 or three shades darker then I'd find it offensive."

I'm actually more shocked that people don't understand how a group of people can be offended by this given our nations history.

Hell perhaps if the gentleman on Facebook with the Trayvon Martin blackface was wearing a non-bloodstained t-shirt but instead with print "Trayvon Lives!" (blackface and all), I'm sure we would all find it ok because it's a "happy message"... give me a break!

 

[royalan]

How loose is it? I fear for the resolve for all that are taking the hardline that there's nothing to see here. I mean, when does this become offensive? She doesn't have to be racist for this to be offensive. It's offensive because you have a firm basis of what is socially acceptable and unacceptable. From that perspective, her views on race may or may not offer an explanation but that's after the fact. Also having a clear stance on what is acceptable doesn't leave you into strange waters such as "Well if it was 2 or three shades darker then I'd find it offensive."

I think the fact that this thread has persisted for as long as it has proves that we don't have a firm basis of this.

I'm not arguing that nobody has the "right" to find this offensive. I'm just wishing that the people who view this as offensive and are asking others to consider the context of what it means when a white person color their skin dark took their own advice, and considered the context of what made blackface actually offensive.

 

[Shamrock7r]

How loose is it? I fear for the resolve for all that are taking the hardline that there's nothing to see here. I mean, when does this become offensive? She doesn't have to be racist for this to be offensive. It's offensive because you have a firm basis of what is socially acceptable and unacceptable. From that perspective, her views on race may or may not offer an explanation but that's after the fact. Also having a clear stance on what is acceptable doesn't leave you into strange waters such as "Well if it was 2 or three shades darker then I'd find it offensive."

I'm actually more shocked that people don't understand how a group of people can be offended by this given our nations history.

Hell perhaps if the gentleman on Facebook with the Trayvon Martin blackface was wearing a non-bloodstained t-shirt but instead with print "Trayvon Lives!" (blackface and all), I'm sure we would all find it ok because it's a "happy message"... give me a break!

See now you are just taking some radical leaps in assumptions

 

[hipbabboom]

See now you are just taking some radical leaps in assumptions

That, my friend is called sarcasm.

I think the fact that this thread has persisted for as long as it has proves that we don't have a firm basis of this.

I'm not arguing that nobody has the "right" to find this offensive. I'm just wishing that the people who view this as offensive and are asking others to consider the context of what it means when a white person color their skin dark took their own advice, and considered the context of what made blackface actually offensive.

I think this thread is part of the type of solution that's needed: dialog. The half that's missing and is missing from many debates that divides the hearts of people for ages is empathy. For example, whether or not I see anime depicting black people in an unflattering manner because they've chosen to have little to no exposure about subject matter, see a Korean entertainer dawn black face on TV because its entertainment meant for domestic viewers and the outside world shouldn't have been watching in the first place, a quaint fellow on Facebook chose to show their familiarity with current events by making light of a tragic mishandling of justice or simply because Our Gang was a hoot with Buckwheat (back then), I can totally empathize and I also have perspective on the matter as to the experience of racial imagery and the sort of expectations they create. Having such sensitivity is not being overly sensitive or predisposition to point to everything and go "That's racist" like a 5 year old. It simply means I have a certain perspective. My goal is to help make others in this thread aware of it if only a little.

Ultimately, we human beings have pride and bring our own baggage to the table in everything. It makes it hard to empathize sometimes though I do appreciate the various perspective here.

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I wonder how the Gaffer who posted a few month ago about taking his kids to recreational even and was subjected to all manners of racial slurs and bigotry by a group of minorities would interpret this story. I make no preconceptions about this but wonder if his past experience would affect his feelings?

 

[Spinluck]

OK MAXIM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blackface?s=t

GTFOOH

Haha

 

[roosters93]

I hope the irony of misapplying a dictionary definition isn't lost on y'all