Perspicacity
Banned
Sorry I was going for a run then took a shower. Also, posting that sort of nonsense isn't in my contract brother...
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July Wrasslin |OT| The Game, The Kane, The Pain, and The Insane (AJ)
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Sorry I was going for a run then took a shower. Also, posting that sort of nonsense isn't in my contract brother...
But fine...
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And now I need another shower
So fucking hot. You're a man of your word, Persp.
Conrad Link
Member
The shoots were cool but yea him not doing that wasn't the problem, its the complete character flip in the space of a couple of months.
They could have done so much with a rebel CM Punk that was as hot as anything, he doesn't have to shoot to keep that going. It actually got the point where I didn't like him mentioning pipe bomb etc cause it seemed really "HEY REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME I SAID SOME CONTROVERSIAL STUFF, I MIGHT DO IT AGAIN SO WATCH OUT LOL" forced like.
Imagine if they formed the NWO at Bash at the Beach, the audience was captivated by the chaos and tuned in excitedly to see what was gonna happen!..... and then a few months later by Halloween Havoc, Hogan and Lex Luger had put aside their differences, for no reason Hogan was suddenly over the issues he had with todays WCW and the fans and all that stuff and they were tag teaming against Meng and The Barbarian. :\
How did they stuff it up so badly?
They rushed him back before any real anticipation over it could build as their first mistake, but they went on and follow it up with several other stuff ups.
Completely ruined anything THAT Punk had started, the chance to run with something that could have been awesome, but no they blew their load on nothing all so HHH could squash him but for some reason the fans like you now so be a good boy and sell merchandise and you'll be rewarded with the longest title reign in TNA history while Cena is fighting the Rock!
F**k it, as cool as it might have been (a proper go at SES/Nexus or whatever) it didn't need to be a Punk stable of bad guys, don't even need heel Punk, why couldn't he just be the guy that hated smiling crappy Cena but still hated Vince and HHH etc too, he just ran his own race?
He'd still be over with the fans as much as he is, he'd still be a 'good guy'. Its like they need to shoehorn in the fact that hay everyone dis cool Punk guy is team with Cena so Cena must be cool too!
Punk has been my 2nd fav current day wrestler for ages, I'm extremely happy for his current success, its nice to see it happen to someone deserving. But it doesn't disregard the fact that they completely botched a golden opportunity to make something amazing. Something possibly the kids could cheer for AND still be enjoyable to people with brains to watch each week.
RANT!
Of course she doesn't mind. They're chanting her name, she's the focus of both shows and is the first diva in years to manage that.
I reckon the girl is doing backflips.
You could do this same rant for so many wrestlers it's really disheartening.
I mean, Kane was tagging with Cena of all people.
Remember, the same Kane that only 6 months ago broke every bone in his "best friend's" body to make him embrace the hate and now he's happily extending his hand to tag in.
He should've been like Bryan. You know, fuck you, go die by means of Codebreaker or WMD, screw you Kane!
I remember during the Punk/Cena feud, they were getting prime time mentions during ESPN shows, and I thought that this might actually lead to a resurgence of wrestling in popularity. How they managed to fuck it up completely, even turning Punk into a bit of a ratings killer is amazing to me. I mean, the man jobbed to HHH for no reason. None. At the one point when HHH should have put over Punk, he beat him. Since then, Punk has just been another guy. The man hasn't delivered a good promo in months. He hasn't even been interesting in months. AJ is carrying this feud, not him. The sad thing is that you know that he could be hugely popular, but they just don't know how to book him.
WWE in a nutshell.
Conrad Link
Member
So many people got back into wrestling because of that story. The possibilities were that good, when he won and f**king ran out of the arena through the crowd it felt like a big deal. Where the hell are they gonna go with this???? *excited*
Vince angry on the headset trying to get his company in order, everyone looking around in shock, such an awesome moment.
Sigh, having last years MitB flashbacks because of this weekend's event.
SAVE US WWE CHAMPION DANIEL BRYAN
Vince angry on the headset trying to get his company in order, everyone looking around in shock, such an awesome moment.
Sigh, having last years MitB flashbacks because of this weekend's event.
SAVE US WWE CHAMPION DANIEL BRYAN
I'm still holding on to hope that Bryan gets at least 3 months with the title and a high profile feud (I guess with Cena).
Ideally he wins the belt either this weekend or at Summerslam and keeps it to Survivor Series.
But we all know what will happen. Punk will win, Punk vs. Cena, Cena wins the belt at SS or Night of Champions.
Lets hope we can at least get AJ and Bryan and a good Bryan - Jericho feud.
Ideally he wins the belt either this weekend or at Summerslam and keeps it to Survivor Series.
But we all know what will happen. Punk will win, Punk vs. Cena, Cena wins the belt at SS or Night of Champions.
Lets hope we can at least get AJ and Bryan and a good Bryan - Jericho feud.
That is probably true and you, along with everyone else will be right back here Sunday night.
To be quite honest, yes, the go-home show was awful, maybe the worst show of the year top to bottom. But the weeks before that, I enjoyed those shows. They had decent wrestling matches, nice build-ups, stuff like Kidd getting a spot in MitB and the AJ-storyline minus the marriage proposels.
Stuff like AJ's and Bryan's YES-off, Bryan's and Jericho's YES/EVVVVEEEER AAAGAAAIN!-off, that was funny as hell.
Wait, I'm noticing a pattern here.
Stuff like AJ's and Bryan's YES-off, Bryan's and Jericho's YES/EVVVVEEEER AAAGAAAIN!-off, that was funny as hell.
Wait, I'm noticing a pattern here.
I dont get how Del Rio isnt over.
Jbl - same character / gimmick - mega over
Rooode - same character / gimmick - mega over
Dibase - same character / gimmick - mega over
I think its the comedic aspect they added to him being a millionaire , and that stupid smirk he does which comes of like hes joking around.
If WWE just made him seem more legit and serious with his money instead of just coming out in a hire car each week it would add something to his character.
Id make him run a promo like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behBcBCXGAU
Jbl - same character / gimmick - mega over
Rooode - same character / gimmick - mega over
Dibase - same character / gimmick - mega over
I think its the comedic aspect they added to him being a millionaire , and that stupid smirk he does which comes of like hes joking around.
If WWE just made him seem more legit and serious with his money instead of just coming out in a hire car each week it would add something to his character.
Id make him run a promo like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behBcBCXGAU
i think you hit the nail on the head. He comes off as a playboy at best
Nocturnowl
Member
GHON SEEEEEEENA!
Nocturnowl
Member
Pony Punk's stunned face is kind of amusing though. Took me long enough to figure out AJ styles in that pic.
Conrad Link
Member
Did anyone actually see that movie Orton was in?
I really want to know if he ended up getting to the papers because he needed to or not.
I really want to know if he ended up getting to the papers because he needed to or not.
How 'bout never involving Triple H in the first place? Why was it suddenly for him to prompt himself on my television and enter a feud he had absolutely no involvement in beforehand. It was all about CM Punk and Vince, and that's it. Triple H entering was the beginning of the end. Or if he does put his big nose in it, why not turn heel?!
"Move on"
When the show hits 2's once NFL starts, I'm sure that's what people will do. I mean, they have done it quite often since WM. You have your spots in the 3's or whatnot, although more often than not it is fairly low for WWE standards.
As for soap operas, I do agree storylines are the most engaging aspect of pro wrestling. However, look at the last three "big time" angles the WWE has ran:
2010: Nexus debuting, after months of repeating the same beatdowns, Cena groups up Super Friends and we see the crinkle in the stable, and eventually the entire group jobs, and Barrett is literally buried in his finale versus Cena. Great work there.
2011: CM Punk capturing the title and leaving, angering Vince. This last what, a week? I LOVE YOU POP. What a joke.
2012: Brock Lesnar coming back, F5'ing John Cena, getting people excited. Weeks go by, PPV comes. Lesnar destroys Cena most of the match, ends with Lesnar jobbing, Cena saying he'll be gone a while, so... Come Monday, Lesnar is gone for several months, Cena is back and smiling like he just wrestled a match versus Jack Swagger. Again, superb work! You must be impressed by this majestic work!
Net_Wrecker
Member
Ahhh, good ol rants. Haven't seen one like this is a while. CM Punk was a MASSIVE missed opportunity. His promo, title win, then leaving the company with the title should've been the catalyst for revolution within the WWE. The very next week should've shown signs of lower card guys who've been held back forming a clique regardless of heel and face standings.. Then mid card card wrestlers would get brought in one by one. Then two opposing higher card guys like Barrett and Christian eventually join leading to a rift within the group as lower ranking wrestlers choose who they really want to follow. Eventually a brawl would ensue between the two factions before CM Punk's music hits and everyone stands wide eyed and gawking as the Voice of The Voiceless returns to reunite his revolutionaries against common enemies: John Cena, the remaining golden boys, Vince McMahon, and the system.
Could've been a new NWO vs. WCW situation and the angle could've been spread out over MONTHS, maybe a full year, possibly a year 1/2. Tons of lower card wrestlers could've been used, and every single match on every show could've had high stakes behind it.
But alas, we got HHH, Johnny Ace, and Kevin Nash as the angle faded away like ripples from a pebble dropped in the WWE ocean.
I've said it a load of times, but CM Punk should have been the next Stone Cold Steve Austin. That's how big that angle could have been.
Instead it's like if after WM 13, they neutered Steve Austin, gave him a cookie cutter face character with none of his previous venom and menace, then had him job to a top level guy instead of being put over (like if he just lost to HBK at WM 14 instead).
I don't know if it was Vince, HHH, someone else, whoever caused them to go the direction they did with Punk's story, but I'd love to kick them in the balls and show them a pile of hundreds of millions of dollars in a pile, on fire, that they missed out on owning.
It still annoys me whenever I hear only kids chanting for Punk instead of those gigantic Attitude Era pops he was getting a year ago.
Instead it's like if after WM 13, they neutered Steve Austin, gave him a cookie cutter face character with none of his previous venom and menace, then had him job to a top level guy instead of being put over (like if he just lost to HBK at WM 14 instead).
I don't know if it was Vince, HHH, someone else, whoever caused them to go the direction they did with Punk's story, but I'd love to kick them in the balls and show them a pile of hundreds of millions of dollars in a pile, on fire, that they missed out on owning.
It still annoys me whenever I hear only kids chanting for Punk instead of those gigantic Attitude Era pops he was getting a year ago.
None of the above. Stephanie is responsible for the creative direction of this company.
Also didn't help that Vince doesn't wan't to be on air as much anymore, they tried to find a replacement for him, but none of the people were a good counterbalance to Punk. HHH inserting himself into the feud didn't help. Nash getting inserted also didn't help. But above all, Stephanie should not be head of creative. Simple as that, she doesn't have a feel for the audience, wether it's her age, the fact she's female or simply because she doesn't have enough power/control over the team and Vince. It's just not working.
Trips himself is doing a better job as head of talent then Johnny Ace was doing, and I hope (and suspect) he's getting alot of help from JR in his role. There's a reason Trips is in charge of NXT and JR being around for all the tapings, it is not a coincidence.
Well thankfully HHH doesn't seem to have a problem with JR like Vince does.
The Punk angle was dead well before Nash came in. The awful, awful tournament they did for a *new* WWE title, which was, what, not even a week after the PPV? Why? That instantly killed the angle for me. Then SummerSlam (Triple H's involvement, Cena's foot on the rope charade) basically buried it shut.
No, that was perfect. The guy that won the title quit the company, if you want to make it seem legit you immediatly declare the title vacant and put it on someone else.
That's one of the few things they actually got right. Like Punk showing up at Comic-Con. Should've let him work the indies for two months, throw the WWE Belt in the trash at ROH, etc.
Also, never should've made Punk an actual face. People were cheering his heel character, didn't make the guy a face.
Agreed 100%. However, I don't think you'll get those Attitude Era pops unless he's in Chicago. The fact that he came back so quick, wrestled Cena with a fake title, then challenged the "boss" in Mr. Hs, got coupled with Nash, killed all his momentum. He needs his original theme music back ..
Officerrob
Banned
I think this would be a good first step. Problem is I think Punk hated his old theme and wanted his current one. I really like what they had Eve say to Punk on RAW Monday. I wish it would slowly lead to Punk's character realizing that he has gone soft and that Eve was right, that even as champion, Punk is nowhere near the focus of the show. In reality though, it will probably just lead to nothing.
To me it killed the story. It's like, "Hey, a guy just won our title, and LEFT with it. And he might not be coming back!" Getting Punk, then, on shows like Fallon, Letterman, some Comc-Con appearance, whatever. He has the belt, he's off television, and he's promoting the story. Once the fake belt came in, that was never possible.
Punk going face was fully materialized once HHH came in, and didn't do anything substantial himself. He's the one who should've been a dickhead heel.
Not a single person would buy that he really quit the company if they did what you suggest though.
He quit, he's no longer part of the company. The title should've been vacated, but instead of bringing Punk back because they needed a main event, they should've had the WWE Title Tourney culminate there. Maybe start it the Monday after MitB and have every single person in the company fight for it building up to the final 8 surviving entrants fight at SummerSlam.
He quit, he's no longer part of the company. The title should've been vacated, but instead of bringing Punk back because they needed a main event, they should've had the WWE Title Tourney culminate there. Maybe start it the Monday after MitB and have every single person in the company fight for it building up to the final 8 surviving entrants fight at SummerSlam.
Nocturnowl
Member
I like how the storyline that came out of that foot on rope situation was Cena being angry at Del Rio for daring to cash in the briefcase on a champion and he would rectify this wrong by having Del Rio job.
Officerrob
Banned
This is a great idea. It instantly gets everyone involved, gives you a chance to elevate a guy or two, and prolongs the story while Punk is off causing havoc with the real WWE title. They really could have done numerous things that could have been fantastic, but of course they settled on the worst possible thing.
It's not just the fake belt thing, but the guy who ended up being the "fake" champion was the guy Punk beat for the belt in the first place (Cena).
It'd be like if HBK feuded with Jannetty for the IC title after returning from his suspension instead of Razor Ramon.
The "undisputed champion" angle doesn't work if you book it as follows:
1. Guy X beats Guy Y for the title
2. Guy X gets fired/suspended/injured
3. Guy Y wins vacated title
4. Guy X returns, both Guy X and Y claim to be the "real" champion.
It doesn't work that way, because guy Y already lost to guy X. You need a guy Z to replace guy Y in steps 3 and 4 of this program.
This is a nasty little habit the WWE have fallen into. They have the talent and resources to produce genuinely interesting, exciting storylines, but will inevitably just fall back on obvious, tedious results involving Cena winning or HHH getting involved. The Nexus angle was the first time I became genuinely angry with their unbelievable inability to write a compelling story that doesn't involve Cena shitting all over exciting talent. It seems to have happened alot since then. :/
How did you feel about Horn Swaggle being GM?
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
Yeah. Ever since Punk left with the title, Vince basically summoned a title zombie and fucked it raw dog style in front of the fans. Then Trips wanted sloppy seconds. They fucked that storyline so thoroughly and completely, it was a quivering mess by the end.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
the biggest fuck you was Cena winning the replacement title in the first place. He beat a man that just won the title 90 minutes before hand. Then later on in the year, Cena chastised Del Rio because Del Rio cashed in his MitB contract which he won legally in a ladder match giving him the right to a title shot. Cena just walked up to Rey and was like "lol I don't care if you just had a match, I'm fighting you because I want to"
Cena has been a heel this entire time and we never saw it because he salutes the military and kisses sick kids. Oh Vince you sly devil!
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
At least it gave us the "Rey getting bathed in semen" gif.
This was fucking annoying. Why the hell was anyone cheering him for abusing Del Rio? Del Rio won his totle in one of the least controversial MitB cash-ins I've ever seen. And this year he wants the to win the very same opportunity? And the same people will cheer him? Fucking idiots.
The best thing Hogan ever did was turn heel when people starting get sick of his one-dimensional American Hero gimmick.
And he sold even more merchandise after his heel turn.
Why WWE is so afraid to pull the trigger is beyond me. Literally nobody outside of wrestling is picking up on this "look at Cena being a good Make-A-Wish guy, what an amazing company he must work for" angle they're playing at.
And he sold even more merchandise after his heel turn.
Why WWE is so afraid to pull the trigger is beyond me. Literally nobody outside of wrestling is picking up on this "look at Cena being a good Make-A-Wish guy, what an amazing company he must work for" angle they're playing at.
Dude. Nobody inside wrestling believes it either. The ridiculous OTT patriot make-a-wish promos are purely for the moronic Cenation to masturbate over and use to convince their friends that he's awesome. I can't understand it at all.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Question, Wrassle-GAF. If, say two months before Rock came back to WWE, someone told you that he hadn't been WWE Champion for the last time, what would you have said?
Officerrob
Banned
The thing is, it took going to WCW to turn Hogan heel. I firmly believe Vince would have never turned him heel because he just doesn't feel that a heel can sell as much merchandise as a babyface.
At least we are talking wrestling. Perhaps we should be be breaking down the finer points of RAW this week?