Not everyone has to like the same people. I just think it's the cool thing to turn and hate on some guys. I'm not saying that's why people do it/have done it, but it's sort of like how it's cool to hate on Cena. (which it sort of is, and the fucker deserves it)
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June Wrasslin' |OT-2| Money In The Bank, None In The Stock
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Not everyone has to like the same people. I just think it's the cool thing to turn and hate on some guys. I'm not saying that's why people do it/have done it, but it's sort of like how it's cool to hate on Cena. (which it sort of is, and the fucker deserves it)
I believe it's the overexposure of the product is what's making people turn on wrestlers.
Basically WWE is turning everyone into the same old shit within months after getting a push, so obviously people will sour on certain wrestlers due to not being entertained enough by them.
I personally think a lot of it is due to how over-exposed the same guys are every week with so many hours of TV. I think that's why it's rarer to see people turn on the good NXT mainstays since they're not on every single week.
Do we think that if they cut Raw down to 2 hours, and say dumped one (or both) of Superstars and Main Event, that the product would improve?
Probably not...
Nah, it'd just be the same guys doing the same thing every week still. I haven't watched Raw, but I saw what the main event tag match was and I don't think i would have stuck around watching it.
I can buy the overexposure argument. When you think about Hogan in the early 90s, he was basically the same character for over half a decade. However, people didn't notice as much because:
1. There was no Internet for people to bitch about it.
2. There was only Superstars and Saturday Night's Main Event...and Hogan almost never actually wrestled on those shows. He just cut a 2-minute backstage promo here and there, and only wrestled PPVS and some house shows.
Today, we've got a guy like Bray potentially having to cut three original TV promos per week. That's really hard to do and to keep each promo fresh.
1. There was no Internet for people to bitch about it.
2. There was only Superstars and Saturday Night's Main Event...and Hogan almost never actually wrestled on those shows. He just cut a 2-minute backstage promo here and there, and only wrestled PPVS and some house shows.
Today, we've got a guy like Bray potentially having to cut three original TV promos per week. That's really hard to do and to keep each promo fresh.
Yeah, that's basically how I feel with ROH. Just 50 minutes a week, which I actually look forward to.
Raw and Smackdown feel like I'm doing homework. Although I will admit that reading GAF while watching makes me more smarky and critical of the product when it's on. I think we should all try watching 2-3 weeks of Raw without reading online reactions. We'd probably enjoy it more.
Well yeah.
Look at the matchlists from Raw last Monday and from last week's and this week's Main Event and Smackdown last Friday:
Main Event 17/6:
Rusev vs. Santino
Naomi vs. Paige
Wyatt Family vs. Sheamus and Uso's
Smackdown
Rollins vs. Kingston
BNB vs. Ziggler
Adam Rose vs. Titus
Kane vs. Ambrose
Big E vs. Swagger
Bo vs. Fandango
Cena, Sheamus & Reigns vs. Orton, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro & Del Rio
Raw:
Harper vs. Jimmy Uso
Rowan vs. Jey Uso
Naomi vs. Alicia Fox
Bo Dallas vs. Titus
Seth Rollins vs. RVD
BNB vs. Ziggler
Swagger vs. Kingston
Big E vs. Sandow
Cena, Sheamus & Reigns vs. Orton, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro & Del Rio
Main Event 24/6:
Rollins, Swagger and BNB vs. Ziggler, RVD & Kingston
Bo vs. Fandango
Rybaxel vs R-Truth & Xavier Woods
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So lets look at this card. You can see they did several matches more than once in one week time. Due to WWE style, pretty much every match that's the same people end up in the same structure, only the finishes are different. Both Smackdown and Raw had the exact same Main Event. Bo vs. Fandango happened twice for some reason. Bray Wyatt was in matches with Sheamus on 3 out of these four shows. Harper and Rowan have been in matches with The Uso's several times. Not to mention the many interchangable people that just switch back and forth with opponents, like Ziggler, Kofi, Swagger, BNB, they'll face off one way this week, another way the next and then back the week after that. If you go further back, you will notice even more rematches and patterns like this.
What's even worse, all these pairing. ALL THESE PAIRINGS will end up on the PPV facing eachother again. Yep, we got Uso's vs. Wyatt's on two shows over the past week and it will happen again this Sunday. Who even cares at that point? What, I'm supposed to pop for the Uso's over the top-rope suicide dives for the FIFTEENTH TIME in the past month? No, of course not, I'm gonna not care two shits about the Uso's, because I've already seen that spot so many times before. Hell, they did one where an Uso ran up a ladder a few weeks ago. No ladder, fuck you Uso's, you suck!
Look at a guy like Titus above too, he faces Adam Rose first and Bo Dallas next, sure it's a different match but it boils down to the same thing. Midcard new guy squashes big black man that's going nowhere. Who fucking cares?
It looks scarier when you write it down like that... I have no problem with rematches when it's reasonable; and we all love a thrown together tag match playa (a good way to build towards PPV) - but seeing it like that just takes the piss.
The Triple H era.
It's not a good thing when you get a PPV-length show every week plus 2 hours of Smackdown and an hour each of Superstars and Main Event. Otherwise, I think most fans want a mix of story and character, as well as in-ring action.
But enough negativity, lets rejoice in the greatest thing June has brought us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp6t40wbBFY
Nocturnowl
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Hey guys, what's going on this morn-
BALONEY, FUDGE N' MUSTARD!
THERE IS NO POWER OF JUNE, NO JUSTICE, NO HOPE!
The winds of change have been taken out of my sails, who do I root for now in these times of uncertainty and shitty product?
BALONEY, FUDGE N' MUSTARD!
THERE IS NO POWER OF JUNE, NO JUSTICE, NO HOPE!
The winds of change have been taken out of my sails, who do I root for now in these times of uncertainty and shitty product?
Nocturnowl
Member
So him being a jerk and getting into brawls is in fact very much in character, except the only thing getting hit of of nowhere is Sheamus himself.
FlammableD
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Fucks sake, almost every image host is blocked, imgur, minus, abload. Guess I'll have to work.
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Mr. Luchador
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Sheamus' new Character should be he's a loud mouth bully that gets the crap beaten out of him by smaller guys. B-A-Star!
British Monsoon
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Working on the G1 thread, how's this look?
Got all the info typed up, I just need to gather the gifs and write bios for the entrants. The hardest part of doing the preview last year was trying to sound enthused about Shelton Benjamin matches.
Got all the info typed up, I just need to gather the gifs and write bios for the entrants. The hardest part of doing the preview last year was trying to sound enthused about Shelton Benjamin matches.
Nocturnowl
Member
^ I don't know much about G1 stuff so on that note that format looks like a solid way to introduce each participant if that's what you're going for.
I'm just working from the character WWE has presented me with on TV for Sheamus and joining the dots accordingly.
Unless you're saying that there's too many lies, too many lies?!
I'm just working from the character WWE has presented me with on TV for Sheamus and joining the dots accordingly.
Unless you're saying that there's too many lies, too many lies?!
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Sin cara throwing Katate kid style sweeps amuses me.
Looks good - looking forward to reading it!
Ok GAF, how about - the first match you remember watching? Mine would be Vader squashing a young Marcus Alexander Bagwell, with a save by Surfer Sting. The clip opens with Ventura looking boss, so there's always that...
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Deleted member 47027
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Pretty darned good.
British Monsoon
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I've actually got no idea...it might have been Hogan vs Macho Man on the UK Rampage show in '89, or the Royal Rumble '90 PPV. I definitely remember watching old World of Sport wrestling before that, though I can't recall any specific matches.
Vince McMahon said:
Thanks man, I'll chuck it up on legitshook as a G1 preview when I'm done.
avengers23
Banned
How is Swagger still employed? He seems sloppy and prone to injuring the other wrestlers.
First moment of wrestling I can remember was Pillman running around the ring ropes against someone on Saturday night.
First full match I can remember was High Energy V The Headshrinkers. It wasn't a bad match at all... However, Boss Man V Nailz soon took the shine off the event.
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For what ever reason my easit match I can remember is the Halloween Havoc 91 chamber of Horrors match.
Arrowgigantic
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Bo's Buds: https://vine.co/v/MtvJjxOBaZ3/embed
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Deleted member 47027
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First match I remember seeing was Tito Santana vs a jobber. A sad beginning, even though Tito's dope. He was...El Matador at the time.
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Something with Benoit on Heat, funnily enough. First full match I remember is Hardyz vs Dudleyz on my first PPV, Royal Rumble 2000. Some flashes of WCW Worldwide UK Batman censoring in there as well.
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Correction on mine, I remember the Road Warriors putting out Dusty Rhodes' eye before Santana.
He's a Hoss.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Can't comprehend how Jack Swagger is still employed at this point. And wow at that anti Drew McIntyre debate.
Barrett was not being booked to win the title brahs. I don't know how anyone thought that was even a possibility.....
Barrett was not being booked to win the title brahs. I don't know how anyone thought that was even a possibility.....
Sweeney Tom
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He was in the match for the briefcase, not the belt.
People have won the briefcase and not the belt before. Look at Sandow :[
Rafa=FedKilla
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My mistake.
It wasn't an anti Drew debate, but an anti How WWE booked Drew to be worth jack shit debate.
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Drew is a case of why you don't mix work and personal life. .
He insists that whole situation was overblown, but no doubt..it didn't help.