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[Hasney]

Just have a big circle that says 'nerds' and it would be accurate.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Anth0ny

 

[Anth0ny]

What's the criteria here for #5years? Completely dead? No longer publicly traded? No longer on cable TV?

Keep in mind that while WCW was in a bad place, they were purchased by a competitor. There is no competitor that can purchase WWE and absorb their brand and their talent.

WWE will be fooked in 5 years. completely fooked.

That's all the criteria you need.

 

[The Elite]

It's the last day for a fellow employee and everyone is writing in a card for her.

I couldn't think of what to say so I wrote "Good luck in your future endeavours."

What's wrong with me.

 

[Striker]

WCW wasn't in a bad place until 00/01, but 96-99 they were absolutely riding high. WWE is not in 00/01 territory but they're' definitely in the 98/99 territory where ratings are serviceable, people are buying PPV's but the talent is not being used in a way to make fans happy.

Maybe '98 in terms of booking its main events but they were still in the 4's, 5's and hit 6.0 once in that year. Unreal considering how hot Austin and the WWF were doing.

Botching Sting and getting Goldberg to lose to the Kliq boys is expected bs you would expect.

 

[Heroman]

It's the last day for a fellow employee and everyone is writing in a card for her.

I couldn't think of what to say so I wrote "Good luck in your future endeavours."

What's wrong with me.

At least you didn't buried her.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I still buy into the theory that Vince did some under the table shit to make sure Bischoff's group didn't buy WCW

IIRC from The Death of WCW, it pretty much came down to Time-Warner cancelling Nitro/Thunder that killed the deal with Bischoff's group, since the investors assumed until that point that they'd still have the guaranteed TV slots after the buyout. It's also what brought Vince into the picture since he had first dibs on WCW if it ever went up for sale as a result of the settlement for the lawsuit over WCW using the Razor/Diesel characters, but he didn't put in a bid because because he didn't wanna piss of UPN/TNN by running on another network.

 

[newdayrocks]

At least everyone here is cool.

I think.

Kaladin's still here.

 

[Beefy]

Will be showing a new 2nd finisher for GWF if Seph remembers. Already to knock out Hasney with it

 

[LionPride]

Pretty much.

The wrestling business is filled with a large amount of complete scum and has been forever. Its fine to enjoy it but it is what it is too. Everyone can joke about carny trash but yeah, a lot of them are carny trash.

Like, 95% of pro wrestlers ain't shit. I learned that at a young age. So events like when I saw the video of Kevin Owens saying nigger at an indy show to gain heat, I wasn't even phased.

 

[The Elite]

Like, 95% of pro wrestlers ain't shit. I learned that at a young age. So events like when I saw the video of Kevin Owens saying nigger at an indy show to gain heat, I wasn't even phased.

Ahhh fuck.

 

[Sephzilla]

IIRC from The Death of WCW, it pretty much came down to Time-Warner cancelling Nitro/Thunder that killed the deal with Bischoff's group, since the investors assumed until that point that they'd still have the guaranteed TV slots after the buyout. It's also what brought Vince into the picture since he had first dibs on WCW if it ever went up for sale as a result of the settlement for the lawsuit over WCW using the Razor/Diesel characters, but he didn't put in a bid because because he didn't wanna piss of UPN/TNN by running on another network.

I can't source it right now but I remember Bischoff saying that at one point he would have been ok with taking WCW even without a TV deal

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I can't source it right now but I remember Bischoff saying that at one point he would have been ok with taking WCW even without a TV deal

Bischoff might have been happy with it, but the people paying for his bill sure weren't.

 

[LionPride]

Ahhh fuck.

Said that shit with a hard ass R too

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Maybe '98 in terms of booking its main events but they were still in the 4's, 5's and hit 6.0 once in that year. Unreal considering how hot Austin and the WWF were doing.

Botching Sting and getting Goldberg to lose to the Kliq boys is expected bs you would expect.

I think Mahonay has discussed how rating's comares don't work 1:1 for now and then, but yeah the nosedive in WCW was pretty drastic. Things slow dived, but then it was just a crash. I think the only reason WWE hasn't been in the same trajectory is due to competition. I think WWE die-hards will be like WCW die-hards where they'll ride the train until it crashes, but much like with WCW the casuals have jumped.

Wrestling will just never be at that scale again and try as the Titan empire might, it just wont ever be a big player as a major sport.

 

[Anth0ny]

punk remembers

 

[Tom Nook]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Gamers.

 

[Kaladin]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

Jabronies got worked because "muh historical match"

 

[Beefy]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

It was also way more boring

 

[Sephzilla]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

by having a man win the first women's MITB match?

 

[ReiGun]

They should have had Mella cash in and win the title so Bryan couldn't make her give the case back. If you're going to piss people off, fucking commit and go all the way, WWE.

 

[Tom Nook]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

The people were upset because of a male climbing the ladder, grabing the case, handing it to a woman in a Women's MITB match.

The finish yesterday should've been the finish on the PPV.

 

[Hasney]

by having a man win the first women's MITB match?

Pls don't disrespect muh carny TV.

 

[Raw64life]

All the ladder spots happened in slow motion and they took the safest bumps imaginable. Nobody took a bump any harder than the equivalent of falling from the middle rope.

The powerbomb Becky took with no ladders involved in the spot was the hardest bump of the match.

 

[Kaladin]

by having a man win the first women's MITB match?

The people were upset because of a male climbing the ladder, grabing the case, handing it to a woman in a Women's MITB match.

The finish yesterday should've been the finish on the PPV.

But they're heels. And there is precedent in ladder matches that if whatever is hanging falls off for whatever reason, whoever grabs it first wins.

You just have them be them and gloat about winning. They could have ran with that and made a good heel couple out of them.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Bayley debut on Raw - August 22
Bayley being the only Raw Women's Champ to win the belt via interference - February 13
Mania bad title defense in bad match - April 2
Kendo stick on a pole - June 4

Honestly impressive what they can do in 10 months

 

[Dark Ninja]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

Yes and Carmella was face for pretty much a week because of it. Bryan bullied her into tears on Smackdown and Talking Smack last week. She then stated facts that supported her win made taking it away look stupid, unfair and selfish. Now she won clean lol what a heel.

 

[Fox318]

Bayley debut on Raw - August 22
Bayley being the only Raw Women's Champ to win the belt via interference - February 13
Mania bad title defense in bad match - April 2
Kendo stick on a pole - June 4

Honestly impressive what they can do in 10 months

Diva's Revolution: Brought to you by Stephanie McMahon

 

[Beefy]

Bayley debut on Raw - August 22
Bayley being the only Raw Women's Champ to win the belt via interference - February 13
Mania bad title defense in bad match - April 2
Kendo stick on a pole - June 4

Honestly impressive what they can do in 10 months

Bayley doing slug lip after losing.

 

[Tom Nook]

But they're heels. And there is precedent in ladder matches that if whatever is hanging falls off for whatever reason, whoever grabs it first wins.

This reminds me of a TNA X Division match involving a contract suspend up high and the wrestlers have to climb up to get it. During the match, the contract fell and the match was stopped for a second in order for the refs to put it back up. It was in a Botchamania episode. LOL.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

But they're heels. And there is precedent in ladder matches that if whatever is hanging falls off for whatever reason, whoever grabs it first wins.

You just have them be them and gloat about winning. They could have ran with that and made a good heel couple out of them.

It just wasn't the right time to do that. A better heel move would have been to have Ellsworth hold someone's leg or to prevent a ladder from getting into the ring. But something about him being the one to climb the ladder, seeing Carmella move into place, etc just was tone deaf as f

 

[Heroman]

Heels can and should win clean most of the time. The ladder match finish was just pointless.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Also, did Smackdown really do another Women's MITB match only to have the same result but with a less interesting finish? I thought it was perfect the way it was done before.

It's basically that problem of wrestlers repeating spots after botching them because they don't know how to improvise, only in booking form.

 

[Anth0ny]

Full G1 Schedule!!!!

July 17 @ (July 16) 11PM PDT / 2AM EDT / 7AM BST / 3PM JST
English Commentary Available

A-Block: Bad Luck Fale vs. Togi Makabe
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. YOSHI-HASHI
A-Block: Hirooki Goto vs. Tomohiro Ishii
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. Tetsuya Naito


July 20 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST
English Commentary Available

B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Juice Robinson
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Toru Yano
B-Block: SANADA vs. EVIL
B-Block: Kenny Omega vs. Minoru Suzuki


July 21 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST
English Commentary Available

A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Tomohiro Ishii
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Hirooki Goto
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: YOSHI-HASHI vs. Tetsuya Naito


July 22 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST
English Commentary Available

B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Toru Yano
B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. EVIL
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Michael Elgin
B-Block: Kenny Omega vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: SANADA vs. Minoru Suzuki


July 23 @ 2AM PDT / 5AM EDT / 10AM BST / 6PM JST

A-Block: YOSHI-HASHI vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Tetsuya Naito vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Yuji Nagata
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. Tomohiro Ishii
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Hirooki Goto

July 25 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

B-Block: Tama Tonga vs. EVIL
B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. Minoru Suzuki
B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Michael Elgin
B-Block: Kenny Omega vs. Toru Yano
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. SANADA

July 26 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

A-Block: Zack Sabre Jr vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: YOSHI-HASHI vs. Tomohiro Ishii
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Tetsuya Naito
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Kota Ibushi
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Hirooki Goto

July 27 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Toru Yano vs. SANADA
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Satoshi Kojima
B-Block: EVIL vs. Minoru Suzuki
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. Kenny Omega

July 29 @ 2AM PDT / 5AM EDT / 10AM BST / 6PM JST

A-Block: Hirooki Goto vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Yuji Nagata
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. YOSHI-HASHI
A-Block: Tomohiro Ishii vs. Tetsuya Naito

July 30 @ 12:30AM PDT / 3:30AM EDT / 8:30AM BST / 4:30PM JST

B-Block: Minoru Suzuki vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Toru Yano vs. EVIL
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. SANADA
B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Kenny Omega
B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. Kazuchika Okada

August 1 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

A-Block: YOSHI-HASHI vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Hirooki Goto vs. Tetsuya Naito
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Tomohiro Ishii
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kota Ibushi

August 2 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. Toru Yano
B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. SANADA
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Minoru Suzuki
B-Block: Kenny Omega vs. EVIL

August 4 @ 3AM PDT / 6AM EDT / 11AM BST / 7PM JST

A-Block: Tomohiro Ishii vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Hirooki Goto vs. YOSHI-HASHI
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Kota Ibushi
A-Block: Tetsuya Naito vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Togi Makabe

August 5 @ 1AM PDT / 4AM EDT / 9AM BST / 5PM JST

B-Block: Toru Yano vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. Kenny Omega
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. Minoru Suzuki
B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. SANADA
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. EVIL

August 6 @ 12AM PDT / 3AM EDT / 8AM BST / 4PM JST

A-Block: Hirooki Goto vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. YOSHI-HASHI
A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. Tetsuya Naito
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tomohiro Ishii

August 8 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST

B-Block: Juice Robinson vs. Toru Yano
B-Block: Satoshi Kojima vs. Tama Tonga
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. EVIL
B-Block: Kenny Omega vs. SANADA
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Minoru Suzuki

August 11 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST
English Commentary Available

A-Block: Yuji Nagata vs. Bad Luck Fale
A-Block: Togi Makabe vs. YOSHI-HASHI
A-Block: Tomohiro Ishii vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
A-Block: Kota Ibushi vs. Hirooki Goto
A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito

August 12 @ 2:30AM PDT / 5:30AM EDT / 10:30AM BST / 6:30PM JST
English Commentary Available

B-Block: Tama Tonga vs. SANADA
B-Block: Michael Elgin vs. Juice Robinson
B-Block: EVIL vs. Satoshi Kojima
B-Block: Toru Yano vs. Minoru Suzuki
B-Block: Kazuchika Okada vs. Kenny Omega

August 13 @ (August 12) 11PM PDT / 2AM EDT / 7AM BST / 3PM JST
English Commentary Available

A-Block Winner vs. B-Block Winner

 

[Sephzilla]

Ellsworth being the one to climb the ladder and grab the briefcase was on the same level of tone-deaf as Santino in drag being named Miss Wrestlemania

 

[SallyIsNow]

Heels can and should win clean most of the time. The ladder match finish was just pointless.

HeRoman.txt

Full G1 Schedule!!!!

I'm watching all of it.

 

[Tom Nook]

Full G1 Schedule!!!!

Where can I watch this?

 

[Heroman]

Where can I watch this?

NJPW world!!!!!!!

 

[FallingEdge]

Where can I watch this?

http://njpwworld.com/

 

[slightconfuse]

YOOOOOOOOO

A-Block: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Zack Sabre Jr.

A-Block: Tomohiro Ishii vs. Zack Sabre Jr.

 

[RecRoulette]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Gamers by far

 

[Sephzilla]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Gamers, but wrestling fans aren't much better

 

[blackaroni]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Wrestling fans.

 

[Heroman]

9 Kota Ibushi single matches!!!!

 

[Kaladin]

Gamers, I don't think there is a wrestling fan version of gamergate.

 

[LionPride]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Both comprised of entitled fucks who believe they deserve everything they want and believe they have a full grasp of how the business works while being annoying asswipes who are often bigots and fuckboys.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Worse people?

Gamers? or Wrestling Fans?

Gamers, but wrestling fans ain't extremely better

 

[blackaroni]

Both comprised of entitled fucks who believe they deserve everything they want and believe they have a full grasp of how the business works while being annoying asswipes who are often bigots and fuckboys.

Best answer.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

People can be shit. That they are gamers or wrestling fans (or NBAGAF) is incidental.