June Wrasslin |OT| MADNESS

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The Cena/Vince thing is fucking great besides the Cena stipulation, making this Cena's shine rather than Punk's. I like that Cena brought up the replacable thing. Too bad this isn't going to be live.
 
Cena's promo is hilarious because supposedly one of Vince's pet peeves that sends him into a rage is when people call the titles "belts" or "straps".
 
God at that Punk promo. It just shows how poorly the WWE has treated him. He's leaving and now they let him cut a real promo and are finally using him well. Well other then the whole feeding him to John Cena thing. I really hope he doesn't stay away from wrestling for long. I don't care where he ends up. I just wanna see him actually be able to do what he does best without censors and crappy writers.
 
PsychoRaven said:
God at that Punk promo. It just shows how poorly the WWE has treated him. He's leaving and now they let him cut a real promo and are finally using him well. Well other then the whole feeding him to John Cena thing. I really hope he doesn't stay away from wrestling for long. I don't care where he ends up. I just wanna see him actually be able to do what he does best without censors and crappy writers.
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They've been using him well for years. Since his arrival, basically.
 
HarryDemeanor said:
So pretty much Cena wins at the PPV. Shock and awe. Of course they could let Punk win but Cena will just show up on Monday anyway.
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They can't do anything about it if he buys a ticket!
 
Azuran said:
That's what happens when you target the internet fans. Kinda sad.
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No way. That promo was scorching hot, regardless if people picked up on any of the supposed "kayfabe/shoot" stuff or not.

He worked all different levels of "shoot" stuff. The most basic was calling the Rock "Dwayne" which everybody, knows, (even little kids) and the stuff about HHH and Steph. The only "insider" internet wrestling geek stuff was him quickly name-dropping NJPW, ROH, Colt Cabana and John Laurinaitis.

The rest was just straight-up good promo skills. And he even mentioned the exact date of the match like three times. I know every time he did that, Dusty and Cornette were both back home smiling their asses off.
 
HarryDemeanor said:
So pretty much Cena wins at the PPV. Shock and awe. Of course they could let Punk win but Cena will just show up on Monday anyway.
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Hence why this is meaningless.

But I bet you will still watch.
 
mooooose said:
They've been using him well for years. Since his arrival, basically.
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Debatable. Lacklustre title runs, being fed to John Cena and Randy Orton and being used to prop up two pathetically booked stables isn't my idea of using a guy like Punk well. But then again I despise WWE's singular vision of what a heel should be.
 
Bootaaay said:
Debatable. Lacklustre title runs, being fed to John Cena and Randy Orton and being used to prop up two pathetically booked stables isn't my idea of using a guy like Punk well. But then again I despise WWE's singular vision of what a heel should be.
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Exactly. Anyone that thinks that's he has been used well is delusional. Despite how badly they have used him he has done as well as he could. He's actually made their very awful use of him watchable.
 
so they basically announced punk will lose at the PPV. Well at least the MITB winner will probably cash in to send the crowd home happy I guess?
 
Pristine_Condition said:
No way. That promo was scorching hot, regardless if people picked up on any of the supposed "kayfabe/shoot" stuff or not.

He worked all different levels of "shoot" stuff. The most basic was calling the Rock "Dwayne" which everybody, knows, (even little kids) and the stuff about HHH and Steph. The only "insider" internet wrestling geek stuff was him quickly name-dropping NJPW, ROH, Colt Cabana and John Laurinaitis.

The rest was just straight-up good promo skills. And he even mentioned the exact date of the match like three times. I know every time he did that, Dusty and Cornette were both back home smiling their asses off.
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Seriously. Whether or not people know the names he mentioned is irrelevant. The mere fact that it felt REAL and CM Punk was saying stuff he "wasn't supposed to be saying" is EXACTLY HOW the WWF took over in 97-98. Everyone loves a "real" feud, and getting to peek behind the curtains. If that promo didn't captivate even the marks of this generation, they are some idiotic fans who I'd be ashamed to have as my audience.
 
And as usual they fuck up the angle as it reaches its peak. Now we have an unnecessary stipulation that won't affect anything in the long run. Cena won't be fire for long if he loses.
 
funkystudent said:
so they basically announced punk will lose at the PPV. Well at least the MITB winner will probably cash in to send the crowd home happy I guess?
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Cena loses the title to then win MITB to then win the title back to send the fans home happy?
 
Considering that Punk posted on Twitter the exact same message (with the date changed) he posted on his LiveJournal in 2005 about leaving Ring of Honor, only to actually win his "final" match and stick around, it does make me wonder if the exact same thing will happen.

I remember Punk signing his WWE contract on the RoH Title that he won on his "final" night. I know this is probably just pipe dreams, but how incredible would it be if Punk actually won the belt and took it to Ring of Honor? Punk vs. Cena for the WWE Title at a Ring of Honor PPV? I know that's crazy talk, but...is it really that crazy?
 
That promo is exactly what I've been waiting for since I got back into wrestling shortly before Wrestlemania. Like JR tweeted - it reminded me of the Attitude era. There was some actual heart and intensity in that promo. You could tell that this wasn't some scripted BS that the wrestlers have been fed as of late.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
Considering that Punk posted on Twitter the exact same message (with the date changed) he posted on his LiveJournal in 2005 about leaving Ring of Honor, only to actually win his "final" match and stick around, it does make me wonder if the exact same thing will happen.

I remember Punk signing his WWE contract on the RoH Title that he won on his "final" night. I know this is probably just pipe dreams, but how incredible would it be if Punk actually won the belt and took it to Ring of Honor? Punk vs. Cena for the WWE Title at a Ring of Honor PPV? I know that's crazy talk, but...is it really that crazy?
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The buzz they could create if CM Punk won the title, then went parading around the indy scene with it could be huge. If they send camera men out there, post the vids on Youtube, and have John Cena MENTION on Raw to Vince that "Look at the videos on Youtube, he's out there with MY WWE Title, he won't face me again, and you're not doing anything about it" etc. etc. etc. People WILL get on their phones, or get home and LOOK for those videos of Punk with the WWE Title at some different wrestling company.

Either that, or start a revolution within the company, if he leaves, based on people treating him as the "savior." They can't let this heat slip away.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
Considering that Punk posted on Twitter the exact same message (with the date changed) he posted on his LiveJournal in 2005 about leaving Ring of Honor, only to actually win his "final" match and stick around, it does make me wonder if the exact same thing will happen.

I remember Punk signing his WWE contract on the RoH Title that he won on his "final" night. I know this is probably just pipe dreams, but how incredible would it be if Punk actually won the belt and took it to Ring of Honor? Punk vs. Cena for the WWE Title at a Ring of Honor PPV? I know that's crazy talk, but...is it really that crazy?
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Yes it's crazy.

Net_Wrecker said:
The buzz they could create if CM Punk won the title, then went parading around the indy scene with it could be huge. If they send camera men out there, post the vids on Youtube, and have John Cena MENTION on Raw to Vince that "Look at the videos on Youtube, he's out there with MY WWE Title, he won't face me again, and you're not doing anything about it" etc. etc. etc. People WILL get on their phones, or get home and LOOK for those videos of Punk with the WWE Title at some different wrestling company.
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Ad PPV rates will still fall.
 
remnant said:
Ad PPV rates will still fall.
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Well when the rest of the card is RKO out of nowhere, a Christian heel run nobody wanted, John Cena winning again, Kofi/Ziggler match #67, etc. etc., of course nobody would buy the PPV.

But it might get people watching the show right? Higher TV ratings are still higher TV ratings.
 
The possibilities are endless, all signs though point to Cena winning and that being that. If somehow punk were to win I'd be tuning in to see what happens.

Also its a near guarantee a lot of casual fans watching ended up looking up ROH, NJPW, and John Laurinaitis. Do not forget, back in 97 when ECW was preparing for its first PPV they had some cross promotion with the WWF. I know its fantasizing right now but what if ROH and WWE had some cross promotion?
 
DavieC726 said:
The possibilities are endless, all signs though point to Cena winning and that being that. If somehow punk were to win I'd be tuning in to see what happens.

Also its a near guarantee a lot of casual fans watching ended up looking up ROH, NJPW, and John Laurinaitis. Do not forget, back in 97 when ECW was preparing for its first PPV they had some cross promotion with the WWF. I know its fantasizing right now but what if ROH and WWE had some cross promotion?
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WWE guys would bury the ROH wrestlers :lol

(While at the same time, the ROH wrestlers would make the WWE guys look silly)
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Well when the rest of the card is RKO out of nowhere, a Christian heel run nobody wanted, John Cena winning again, Kofi/Ziggler match #67, etc. etc., of course nobody would buy the PPV.

But it might get people watching the show right? Higher TV ratings are still higher TV ratings.
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Who is going to return? The people who stopped watching wrestling because of John Cena and all that crap are not going to return to watch John Cena hunt down the title.

Let's say Punk wins? People will still bitch about 90% of the show and eventually wait for someone they enjoy to watch, like Punk showing up. Then his segment will end and people will bitch again. Punk doesn't = ratings.
 
I was looking at the WWE page and noticed that CM Punk is under the Superstars section, they should do a Wrestlers section with him being the only person in there...
 
Keyser Soze said:
The comments section of that site makes Youtube commenters look like geniuses
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I saw this exact same comment except people were talking about Yahoo commenters instead of WSHH.
 
remnant said:
Who is going to return? The people who stopped watching wrestling because of John Cena and all that crap are not going to return to watch John Cena hunt down the title.

Let's say Punk wins? People will still bitch about 90% of the show and eventually wait for someone they enjoy to watch, like Punk showing up. Then his segment will end and people will bitch again.
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I've already said multiple times that the WHOLE show needs to be high quality for any kind of return to form, but any bump past their typical 3.0-3.5 due to this angle is only a good thing.

Even IF this doesn't boost business past where it is currently, is it that wrong to hope for quality programming despite the ratings? You keep making good stuff with the financial backing to sustain any lulls, and the word will get out eventually.
 
Most important spoiler for next weeks show.
Match Number Two: WWE Tag Team Champions Michael McGillicutty and David Otunga defeated Vladimir Kozlov and Santino Marella when McGillicutty pinned Santino after a neck breaker.

After the match, while everyone was still in the ring, Zack Ryder came out onto the stage and said ‘Woo woo woo you know it’ and left.
 
Am I the only one hoping that to top off this angle he'll use the Pepsi Plunge (top rope pedigree) since Triple H didn't want him to use it when he came in?

There is really so much they can do with this Angle, even after the spoilers, but sadly they won't. I would love for CM Punk's music to hit at the PPV and him not coming out, then suddenly the lights dim and they play his ROH Theme "Miseria Cantare" By AFI and he comes out wearing and ROH shirt, not to promote them as much as it is to keep the Anti-WWE Anti-Vince McMahon angle going.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
I've already said multiple times that the WHOLE shows needs to be high quality for any kind of return to form, but any bump past their typical 3.0-3.5 due to this angle is only a good thing.
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This.

Maybe its the Attitude Era nostalgia clouding my eyes, but I remember the whole show being worth something.

The Hardcore, Cruiserweight, Tag Team, Intercontinental and US Championship belts all had great storylines going and top talent to make it compelling. I didnt want to change the channel for fear I'd miss something. Now I could just tune in for the first 15 and last 30 minutes (everything between is kinda lame) and even that stuff isnt all that interesting.

Granted they cant push the envelope as much (the kids!!! ugh) but that's no excuse for these awful stories and angles they run these days.
 
DavieC726 said:
Am I the only one hoping that to top off this angle he'll use the Pepsi Plunge (top rope pedigree) since Triple H didn't want him to use it when he came in?

There is really so much they can do with this Angle, even after the spoilers, but sadly they won't. I would love for CM Punk's music to hit at the PPV and him not coming out, then suddenly the lights dim and they play his ROH Theme "Miseria Cantare" By AFI and he comes out wearing and ROH shirt, not to promote them as much as it is to keep the Anti-WWE Anti-Vince McMahon angle going.
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If Punk came out to Miseria Cantare...I might have a heart attack from marking so hard.
 
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