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they could make punk over with the mass audience pretty easy now if they had him in a quick feud with Vince after the title match.

He can cut a few promos about how Vince was always trying to keep him down and so on. Vince could hide behind some random big men (maybe the nexus turn on punk and side with vince) so punk has someone to fight week to week.

Its basically Stone cold 2.0.


its a classic formula. it would work.

but I dont think modern WWE can handle 2 big faces on one show.
 
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
Most important spoiler for next weeks show.
Match Number Two: WWE Tag Team Champions Michael McGillicutty and David Otunga defeated Vladimir Kozlov and Santino Marella when McGillicutty pinned Santino after a neck breaker.

After the match, while everyone was still in the ring, Zack Ryder came out onto the stage and said ‘Woo woo woo you know it’ and left.

Something tells me this won't make it to "live" Raw, but if it does, it would be great. Did the spoilers say
if Zack got a huge pop or not?
 
Claudio is awesome, that is all.

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Seriously the best UFO he's ever hit.
 
DominoKid said:
This.

Maybe its the Attitude Era nostalgia clouding my eyes, but I remember the whole show being worth something.

The Hardcore, Cruiserweight, Tag Team, Intercontinental and US Championship belts all had great storylines going and top talent to make it compelling. I didnt want to change the channel for fear I'd miss something. Now I could just tune in for the first 15 and last 30 minutes (everything between is kinda lame) and even that stuff isnt all that interesting.

Granted they cant push the envelope as much (the kids!!! ugh) but that's no excuse for these awful stories and angles they run these days.

Definitely nostalgia clouds. WWE's Cruiserweight division was always treated as a total joke. The Hardcore division was actually given some love until the 24/7 nonsense started. Then it turned into a comedy title. Also, as lovingly as we remember 1998, go look at the PPV cards for those shows. It's not up until the sub-main-events when you start seeing actual important matches. It wasn't until late-1999, 2000, 2001 that they were able to start fleshing out entire PPVs with top-tier talent and storylines.
 
funkystudent said:
they could make punk over with the mass audience pretty easy now if they had him in a quick feud with Vince after the title match.

He can cut a few promos about how Vince was always trying to keep him down and so on. Vince could hide behind some random big men (maybe the nexus turn on punk and side with vince) so punk has someone to fight week to week.

Its basically Stone cold 2.0.


its a classic formula. it would work.

but I dont think modern WWE can handle 2 big faces on one show.


I think they can handle 2 faces. If not is ROH still on DirecTV?
 
Transcript of awesome...
http://www.heymanhustle.com/articles/news/23-news/167221-cm-punk-promo

John Cena, while you lay there, hopefully as uncomfortable as you possibly can be, I want you to listen to me.

I want you to digest this because before I leave in 3 weeks with your WWE Championship, I have a lot of things I want to get off my chest.

I don’t hate you, John. I don’t even dislike you. I do like you. I like you a hell of a lot more than I like most people in the back.

I hate this idea that you’re the best. Because you’re not. I’m the best. I’m the best in the world. There’s one thing you’re better at than I am and that’s kissing Vince McMahon’s ass.

You’re as good as kissing Vince McMahon’s ass as Hulk Hogan was. I don’t know if you’re as good as Dwayne though. He’s a pretty good ass kisser. Always was and still is.

Whoops! I’m breaking the fourth wall! (Punk waves to the camera)

I am the best wrestler in the world.

I’ve been the best since day one when I walked into this company. And I’ve been vilified and hated since that day because Paul Heyman saw something in me that nobody else wanted to admit. That’s right, I’m a Paul Heyman guy. You know who else was a Paul Heyman guy? Brock Lesnar. And he split just like I’m splitting. But the biggest difference between me and Brock is I’m going to leave with the WWE Championship.

I’ve grabbed so many of Vincent K. McMahon’s brass rings that it’s finally dawned on me that there just that, they’re completely imaginary. The only thing that’s real is me and the fact that day in and day out, for almost six years, I have proved to everybody in the world that I am the best on this microphone, in that ring, even in commentary! Nobody can touch me!

And yet no matter how many times I prove it, I’m not on your lovely little collector cups. I’m not on the cover of the program. I’m barely promoted. I don't get to be in movies. I’m certainly not on any crappy show on the USA Network. I’m not on the poster of WrestleMania. I’m not on the signature that’s produced at the start of the show. I’m not on Conan O’Brian. I’m not on Jimmy Fallon. But the fact of the matter is, I should be.

This isn’t sour grapes. But the fact that Dwayne is in the main event at WrestleMania next year and I’m not makes me sick!

Oh hey, let me get something straight. Those of you who are cheering me right now, you are just as big a part of me leaving as anything else. Because you’re the ones who are sipping on those collector cups right now. You’re the ones that buy those programs that my face isn’t on the cover of. And then at five in the morning at the airport, you try to shove it in my face and get an autograph and try to sell it on Ebay because you’re too lazy to go get a real job.

I’m leaving with the WWE Championship on July 17th. And hell, who knows, maybe I’ll go defend it in New Japan Pro Wrestling. Maybe…I’ll go back to Ring of Honor.

(Punk looks at the camera and waves)

Hey, Colt Cabana, how you doing?

The reason I’m leaving is you people. Because after I’m gone, you’re still going to pour money into this company. I’m just a spoke on the wheel. The wheel is going to keep turning and I understand that. Vince McMahon is going to make money despite himself. He’s a millionaire who should be a billionaire. You know why he’s not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad-handed, non-sensical, douchebag (censored) yes men, like John Laurinaitis, who’s going to tell him everything he wants to hear, and I’d like to think that maybe this company will better after Vince McMahon is dead. But the fact is, it’s going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family.

Let me tell you a personal story about Vince McMahon alright. We do this whole (anti) bully campaign

Mic cut off.
 
dear god.....DEAR GOD!!!! I just watched the replay!!!! that punk promo was the most amazing thing ever......i dont even have any words right now.....amazing....he said what we are all thinking!!!!

also: i dont regret my decision about making Natalya my new waifu.....y'all can have Kelly Smelly....

<3 Natalya
 
EraldoCoil said:
also: i dont regret my decision about making Natalya my new waifu.....y'all can have Kelly Smelly....

<3 Natalya
Enjoy her and her inability to train two inexperienced rookies and give great advice like, "go out there and win".
 
Just got home so I decided to go ahead and watch some wrasslin to see what R Truth would do this week. What in the hell happened at the end of raw with Punk!? The flying shit did I just watch o.O
 
I'm making some ROH Best in the World .gifs. I need to find the spot in the Main where one of the guys is just stomping the other's face. When I find it, I'll post a few.

Here's one sick bump though...

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I swear everytime I order an Ippv for ROH or go to one of their shows, it is always stacked with amazing matches. IIRC, they have not put on 1 bad show since I started watching ROH.
 
Plywood said:
Enjoy her and her inability to train two inexperienced rookies and give great advice like, "go out there and win".
They gave her two turds to work with....she can try to polish them as hard as possible but they are still turds...

My waifu is the best female wrestler (and hottest) in the WWE....she could have much better success taking Rima under her wing....at least she can work with that.
 
Come the fuck on guys. No one says anything on Raw without Vince being ok with it. If Punk had they would have cut his mic off straight away. And I don't mean "cut it off" like what happened on Raw where Punk was playing it up. It was surprising though how much he got to say. Particularly Vince not really being a billionaire.
 
Well this was certainly an interesting episode of Raw to wake up to, seeing everyone up in arms here is definitely something we should see more often.
A very enjoyable promo from Punk, i'm a sucker for MITB ladder matches so consider me looking forward to the next WWE ppv, they don't have to do much to outshine those last 2 events that's for sure.
 
remnant said:
Who is going to return? The people who stopped watching wrestling because of John Cena and all that crap are not going to return to watch John Cena hunt down the title.

Let's say Punk wins? People will still bitch about 90% of the show and eventually wait for someone they enjoy to watch, like Punk showing up. Then his segment will end and people will bitch again. Punk doesn't = ratings.
You take a dump on every that lead to Cena and/or Orton decimating their opposition.
According to you, NOBODY but them = ratings. (Heard the same nonsense about Christian getting anything more than 2 days with the belt.)
You either get your kicks trolling the IWC, you're a perpetual cynic or you're on the WWE payroll.

The real problem (and the reason people bitch) has nothing to do with the talent and everything to do with Creative.

And the only reason the CM Punk departure angle has anything going for it is entirely due to Punk & Cena being creatively invested in it and Vince not shooting it down like he does for 95% of anything else that isn't the status quo. And technically, this WILL still be a reset button program once Cena retains and Punk goes bye bye.

And seeing how he doesn't = ratings you won't miss him when he's gone.

Bootaaay said:
Claudio is awesome, that is all.

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Seriously the best UFO he's ever hit.
Securing the Kings of Wrestling should be a priority for ROH with their impending TV run but if Hero and Castagnoli bolt for the WWE, Claudio really needs to unleash this on the big stage for people to scope out.
 
From Mike McGuillicutty's Twitter:

Big props to @CMPunk tonight! One of the beat promos ive seen. Maybe I need to take some tips from him...

And the Genesis of McGuillicutty begins anew!

From Zach Gowen's Twitter (remember him?!)

WWE shoulda gave @CMPunk the ball a long time ago. Dude connects with people on a whole other level. Mad love for punk. Outta this world.
 
Another great thing about this is TNA will try to do something similar and it will come off almost as good. Almost, as in.....terrible.
 
My girlfriend and I have downloaded every RAW, Smackdown and PPV from 1997 - 2004. We've currently just reached Canadian Stampede (July 97) and boy is it great.

Everything is just as exciting, edgy and dramatic as it was 15 years ago. I'm loving revisiting it all. When you see HBK, Stone Cold, Bret Hart etc all cutting these passionate and boundary pushing promos it reminds you why in the late 90s wrestling was so damn good.

I thought maybe I just had too much nostalgia for the Attitude era, but it was simply that special. It's probably going to take us a year or two to work through all of this (if not more) but man it's going to be a great ride. I would suggest that anyone who is still watching current WWE in its absolutely dire state stops and goes to your favourite Wrestling torrent site to do the same. Pretty much every RAW so far has been as perfect quality as one could expect from old VCRs.
 
WK BLOG 6/28: Why C.M. Punk's promo was brilliant on multiple levels, yet can the follow-up live up to expectations?
By Wade Keller, PWTorch Editor

Last night's C.M. Punk promo at the end of Raw was brilliant for multiple reasons. The main reason is that it works on roughly three categories of fans:

-Those who totally believe almost everything is real (these are mostly quite young fans).

-Those who don't get every reference he made, but get a sense he went places he wasn't supposed to and wonder where he crossed the line and how upset Vince McMahon is.

-Those who get that everything he said was fine with Vince McMahon, why everything he said was "safe shooting" and never crossed any real lines, but enjoy seeing the spectacle because Punk executed it so well.

As I talked about in detail in my VIP Keller Hotline for over 40 minutes last night, Punk's promo was a work - start to finish. Everything about that promo was aimed at getting people to order Money in the Bank to see him wrestle John Cena in what may or may not be his last match in WWE for a while.

Sure, he mentioned Paul Heyman and ROH and the "son-in-law" and John Laurinaitis and all that, but those are all considered "smart-mark" button-pushing subjects behind the scenes. They don't really do any damage to WWE; they just get a certain segment of fans worked into a lather with excitement, and McMahon and his cronies just chuckle backstage as how they turned the "smart Internet geeks" (i.e. Daniel Bryan fans) into "marks" for at least one more night.

The fact is, if you enjoyed that promo, you're not a "mark" in the negative sense of the word (a "gullible fool"). You're a customer. A satisfied customer. No matter what you thought of it at the time or think of it now, whether you understood every reference or not, and whether you understood why certain subjects were included and others weren't, you're not a mark. If you enjoyed it, your time was well spent. You got something out of it. You were entertained and intrigued. You might feel foolish for believing something was off-script that turns out to be scripted, but don't. Just enjoy an excellent execution of something that is very, very easy to get wrong.

TNA - mostly Vince Russo, but sometimes Hulk Hogan, Jeff Jarrett, and Eric BIschoff - over the last nine years have tried to pull off what Punk and WWE did last night dozens of time. They've never made it work as well as Punk and WWE did last night. WWE had their eye on a match they want to make money on - presumably at Money in the Bank, but perhaps Punk will be pulled from that match, and there's an even bigger plan in the works for even further down the line at a bigger PPV. This can go many directions, and we have a week to discuss those.

But first, here's why the supposed controversial subjects Punk touched on aren't really controversial at all:

-PAUL HEYMAN: Anything having anything to do with Paul Heyman and ECW was co-opted by WWE many years ago. Vince McMahon owns the equity that comes with any usage of Heyman's name at this point. Heyman is no threat to WWE. Mentioning him is considered (accurately) a way to get the ears of a certain portion of the fanbase to perk up. Because he was so at odds with Stephanie behind the scenes, it seems anti-authority to mention his name.

-JOHN CENA'S AN ASS-KISSER: Well, yeah. He's obviously the Corporate Guy. That's why half the crowd boos him. Cena and Vince McMahon long ago stopped caring that half the fans hate Cena. They learned to appreciate that they were willing to pay to see Cena. Some would argue many who hate Cena stopped supporting WWE because of him rather than joining in the fun in booing him, but McMahon made the choice to stay the course and it's worked out pretty well.

-USA NETWORK'S CRAPPY SHOWS: Punk is a heel. Heels, by definition, are bitter liars. There's harm in Cena saying USA Network shows are lame. But a ranting and raving heel ripping on them, in a very broad generic sense? No harm done.

-NEW JAPAN AND ROH: ROH isn't big enough to be a threat to Vince McMahon. Even while Heyman was still frothing at the mouth cutting promos to rile up the ECW faithful that he hated the WWF and all it stood for, Heyman was cashing checks from Vince McMahon to keep ECW afloat. McMahon knew a company as small as ECW wasn't going to hurt him, and there was a benefit to making Heyman beholden to him by keeping ECW alive. It satisfied McMahon that he took essential ownership of the insults being thrown at him from South Philly. He laughed at the bullets bouncing off of his chest, especially knowing he bought the bullets. So for all we know, ROH is being funded by McMahon, or there's a loose relationship. Or not. It doesn't really matter either way. ROH isn't even a gnat annoying McMahon at this point. It's a feeder system he doesn't have to pay for or run or oversee. As for New Japan, obviously that means nothing, but to many fans, Punk saying "New Japan" and "ROH" just authenticated him as an outsider who had invaded WWE and was now so disgusted with what he's seen, he was leaving.

-JOHN LAURINAITIS: John isn't unaware that he is a McMahon Lackey. Vince and Stephanie aren't unaware that Laurinaitis is aware that he's a lackey for them. He plays a valuable role. He does what they need done, and he does it without ever looking like he's doubting their decisions. He's getting paid very well to fill a role and he does it without rocking the boat. That's what McMahon wants. Laurinaitis is aware of how he is perceived by many. He doesn't care. He's the "bad cop" whom the McMahons have hired to fire people, among other dirty work. He's got a very good paying job many ex-wrestlers want. He's a winner for getting the job and keeping it this long. His name being brought up by a heel ripping on him is amusing to him, not hurtful.

-HULK HOGAN: The fact that he said Hogan's name is actually a pretty big insult to Hogan right now in the sense that McMahon has so little fear of Hogan's ability to make a difference in TNA that he doesn't even mind co-opting his name for his own angle. He has more to gain from using the Hogan name based on WWE fans knowing what he did in WWE and WCW over the years - brands he owns - than he has to lose by drawing attention to Hogan who now works for a competitor.

If the thrasonical Punk was really shooting, he could have made fun of Cena's punches looking fake... He could have said WWE is so bad, fans should just tune in to TNA Impact on Spike TV instead... He could have said one of these weeks he'll show up at the Impact Zone so watch for him... He could have plugged UFC's PPV and said he'll be on the next PPV coming up July 2... He could made references to something scandalous between Stephanie McMahon and Randy Savage or brought up abortions some women in the company have had after being knocked up by certain wrestlers... He could have made fun of the holes in the supposed Wellness Policy... He could have said he's seen Ezekiel Jackson or Mason Ryan get bigger pushes than him lately because of the needle marks in their asses... He could have NOT plugged the PPV that Vince McMahon is going to profit from in a few weeks... He could have ripped on K-Mart and Walmart - WWE sponsors - for being non-union, trashy stores selling imported goods that are only cheap due to child labor while failing to pay their employees sustainable wages or decent medical insurance while promoting men instead of women...

Had he really wanted to shoot and really made a name for himself, he could have gone places that would have caused problems. He didn't. He hit the "smart-mark" hot-button categories: Heyman, Corporate Cena, John Laurinaitis, the Son-in-Law, the "alternative" ROH promotion that he came from, etc. He stayed right in the safe zone where he stepped out of the usual boundaries of the world WWE creates, but not into any areas that would actually hurt WWE by bringing up on live TV.

That's not to take anything away from what Punk did. On the contrary, it's why the promo was so good. He managed to get exactly the reaction he wanted, in three different ways from three different groups of fans - those who believe he was totally shooting even if they don't know exactly what ROH is or why they're supposed to love Heyman and hate Laurinaitis; those who think he probably crossed some lines and really upset Vince and just aren't sure at what point that happened; and those who get that it was a beautifully executed 100 percent work that will rile up the previous two categories in an entertaining way that has a chance to make money for everyone.

He did manage to give even "skeptics" who thought he was pushing it and going off script that "Uh oh, now he really went too far!" moment by cutting him off once he got to "a personal story about Vince McMahon." Those who thought Punk was testing McMahon's patience, but McMahon was too scared to pull the plug because that would make Punk a hero to millions, might have thought Punk finally went "far enough off script" with the personal story that McMahon had no choice but to cut him off and then go to black. It was a great touch, timed just right.

What might happen next? I'll blog about that later, and there's a lot of fun directions this could go, and some awful directions too.

For now, I'll just say that few wrestlers had the background, the talent, the IQ, and the credibility to pull that off. Punk was the perfect person in the perfect place.

Was Punk working his wrestling media friends in saying he was thinking of leaving? Is Punk actually going to leave? Was he ever? If he came to terms, is this just taking advantage of the reports to parlay it into a storyline that could draw?

In any case, this was planned for a while in that Punk needed to score some big wins recently in order to have the storyline credibility to call himself the best. By dropping the word "wrestling" into his promo last week and by shooting a little bit on Shawn Michaels (referencing his past drug abuse), it laid the foundation for what was to come.

It wasn't just what Punk said or how he said it that made this work. It was also the pieces of the foundation that were laid in the Internet wrestling media and in his big wins and borderline crossing-the-line against-policy comments in recent weeks. It was also that WWE hasn't been trying to pull off something like this every three months. In fact, what made this work better than other attempts by others in the past is that the goal here to was to make money, not fool anyone. Fooling some percentage of the fans is inherent in making money off of this, but that's not the end game. The End Game here is making money from a worked match on PPV, not laughing at their customers for being fools.

This isn't entirely different than what John Cena and Rock engaged in earlier this year. It's definitely similar to Joey Styles's worked-shoot promo when he announced the relaunch of ECW. WWE doesn't do this much, but thanks to the credibility, talent, and IQ of Punk, they have at least positioned themselves to make this one pay off.

Enjoy this on whatever level you want. And let's hope that WWE has a great payoff in mind. The expectations across all types of fans are raised right now. It's going to be easy to botch this if they don't realize why what they did last night worked and how easily it can go off-track.
 
@ the Raw spoilers and the @ Long Island Z siting. It's cool they're sort of winking at the internet fans...but that's not going to fix the content. They just need to get back to letting every wrestler getting a chance to shine in this Hulk Hogan revisitation era (Orton/Cena).
 
UberTag said:
You take a dump on every that lead to Cena and/or Orton decimating their opposition.
According to you, NOBODY but them = ratings. (Heard the same nonsense about Christian getting anything more than 2 days with the belt.)
Not sure where you pulled that from.
UberTag said:
You either get your kicks trolling the IWC, you're a perpetual cynic or you're on the WWE payroll.
I get my kicks looking at sycophants and "fans" who watch a product they don't like every week like battered wives.

And when this is thrown into their face,
like tonight
they are completely oblivious to it.

UberTag said:
The real problem (and the reason people bitch) has nothing to do with the talent and everything to do with Creative.

And the only reason the CM Punk departure angle has anything going for it is entirely due to Punk & Cena being creatively invested in it and Vince not shooting it down like he does for 95% of anything else that isn't the status quo. And technically, this WILL still be a reset button program once Cena retains and Punk goes bye bye.

And seeing how he doesn't = ratings you won't miss him when he's gone.
He might as well be gone right now. I only watch shows that i think are consistently good. I don't see the enjoyment in watching a show i'm just going to bitch about all night long.

However it is funny seeing people who act like smarks all the time and bitch about the WWE every week, roll over because one guy cuts a promo full of red meat.
 
I decided to look back at 1998 WWF PPV cards to make sure I wasn't crazy about remembering them being lacking until the main events.

Here is a great example. In Your House: Breakdown in September 1998.

-- Owen Hart defeated Edge
-- Al Snow & Scorpio defeated Too Much
-- Marc Mero defeated Droz
-- Bradshaw defeated Vader in a Falls Count Anywhere match
-- D'Lo Brown defeated Gangrel
-- The Rock defeated Ken Shamrock and Mankind in a Triple Threat Cage match
-- Val Venis defeated Dustin Runnels
-- The New Age Outlaws & X-Pac defeated Jeff Jarrett & Southern Justice
-- The Undertaker and Kane simultaneously pinned Stone Cold Steve Austin in a Triple Threat Match for the WWF Title

...yikes.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
I decided to look back at 1998 WWF PPV cards to make sure I wasn't crazy about remembering them being lacking until the main events.

Here is a great example. In Your House: Breakdown in September 1998.

-- Owen Hart defeated Edge
-- Al Snow & Scorpio defeated Too Much
-- Marc Mero defeated Droz
-- Bradshaw defeated Vader in a Falls Count Anywhere match
-- D'Lo Brown defeated Gangrel
-- The Rock defeated Ken Shamrock and Mankind in a Triple Threat Cage match
-- Val Venis defeated Dustin Runnels
-- The New Age Outlaws & X-Pac defeated Jeff Jarrett & Southern Justice
-- The Undertaker and Kane simultaneously pinned Stone Cold Steve Austin in a Triple Threat Match for the WWF Title

...yikes.

Wow, yeah...that's one weak ass card right there.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
I decided to look back at 1998 WWF PPV cards to make sure I wasn't crazy about remembering them being lacking until the main events.

Here is a great example. In Your House: Breakdown in September 1998.

-- Owen Hart defeated Edge
-- Al Snow & Scorpio defeated Too Much
-- Marc Mero defeated Droz
-- Bradshaw defeated Vader in a Falls Count Anywhere match
-- D'Lo Brown defeated Gangrel
-- The Rock defeated Ken Shamrock and Mankind in a Triple Threat Cage match
-- Val Venis defeated Dustin Runnels
-- The New Age Outlaws & X-Pac defeated Jeff Jarrett & Southern Justice
-- The Undertaker and Kane simultaneously pinned Stone Cold Steve Austin in a Triple Threat Match for the WWF Title

...yikes.
They had a damn good midcard with HHH, Rock, Val Venis, Shamrock, Owen, and Mankind (all vied for the IC title over the course of the year at one point or another). Guys with characters and stories. Something today's gets lack, though no fault of their own. It's a current theme of problems, case in point the 1998 tag teams: LOD, New Age Outlaws, Oddities, Los Boricuas, DOA, Headbangers, and others like Edge/Christian and Farooq and Bradshaw were just forming.

Those two things are just as important as main events to me.
 
Since Vince is getting involved in this, I could see this turning around into a Corporate Punk angle where he "sells out" on his moral high ground when Vince offers him money and fame to keep the belt in WWE.

I decided to look back at 1998 WWF PPV cards to make sure I wasn't crazy about remembering them being lacking until the main events.

Here is a great example. In Your House: Breakdown in September 1998.

-- Owen Hart defeated Edge
-- Al Snow & Scorpio defeated Too Much
-- Marc Mero defeated Droz
-- Bradshaw defeated Vader in a Falls Count Anywhere match
-- D'Lo Brown defeated Gangrel
-- The Rock defeated Ken Shamrock and Mankind in a Triple Threat Cage match
-- Val Venis defeated Dustin Runnels
-- The New Age Outlaws & X-Pac defeated Jeff Jarrett & Southern Justice
-- The Undertaker and Kane simultaneously pinned Stone Cold Steve Austin in a Triple Threat Match for the WWF Title

...yikes.

The thing that strikes me about this card is how memorable each of these guys are. They might have not all been the best in the ring, but I can tell each of them apart. In today's WWE, most guys are so boring as far as character goes there's no differentiating between them. I'm not saying they need a bunch of gimmicks, just character. Ziggler's got the kinda narcissistic thing, and Swagger's an arrogant jock, but neither of these are really expanded upon. Who is Kofi Kingston? Who is Evan Bourne? Who is anyone in Nexus/Corre not named CM Punk?
 
Knox said:
Since Vince is getting involved in this, I could see this turning around into a Corporate Punk angle where he "sells out" on his moral high ground when Vince offers him money and fame to keep the belt in WWE.



The thing that strikes me about this card is how memorable each of these guys are. They might have not all been the best in the ring, but I can tell each of them apart. In today's WWE, most guys are so boring as far as character goes there's no differentiating between them. I'm not saying they need a bunch of gimmicks, just character. Ziggler's got the kinda narcissistic thing, and Swagger's an arrogant jock, but neither of these are really expanded upon. Who is Kofi Kingston? Who is Evan Bourne? Who is anyone in Nexus/Corre not named CM Punk?

I am certainly not trying to suggest that these people are not memorable. All I'm trying to say is that there wasn't any real storyline reason for them to be fighting on a PPV. Undercards and mid-cards for 1998/early-1999 WWF PPVs all felt incredbly random with no rhyme or reason. I'm not taking anything away from Owen Hart vs. Edge. But...why exactly was that on PPV?
 
Just saw Punk's promo

all i have to say is WOW it was FUCKIN EPIC and AWESOME and it's really sad that he's not going to resign with the WWE.

None the less i'm gona follow Punk where ever the hell he goes next, dude is fuckin AWESOME.
 
I am somewhat of a pro wrestling fan - but havent been into it much since they did One Night Stand some six-odd years ago. But I saw CM Punk trending on Twitter, saw the promo and loved it. In the times over the recent years that I tuned into WWE to see what was going on only to tune out a few minutes later, I can safely say that was perhaps the most interesting six minutes of WWE programming I have seen in years.

(mind you - there's a lot of ignorance on my part not to look into ROH - the (proper) ECW fan in me would probably really like that style of wrestling)...
 
Isn't it obvious that Punk is re-signing now?
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
I am certainly not trying to suggest that these people are not memorable. All I'm trying to say is that there wasn't any real storyline reason for them to be fighting on a PPV. Undercards and mid-cards for 1998/early-1999 WWF PPVs all felt incredbly random with no rhyme or reason. I'm not taking anything away from Owen Hart vs. Edge. But...why exactly was that on PPV?

...who knows watch the shows before the ppv
 
jobber said:
The only hang up between Punk and WWE is that WWE wants to trademark CM Punk. Punk is refusing.
As he should. It's been his name ever since he did backyard wrestling in the 90s.
 
Could someone explain to me what is going on with TNA at the moment?

Have they simply changed the name of 'Thursday Night Impact' to Impact Wrestling or are they actually in the process of renaming the WHOLE promotion Impact Wrestling?

I have no idea and I suspect neither do they.
 
Busty said:
Could someone explain to me what is going on with TNA at the moment?

Have they simply changed the name of 'Thursday Night Impact' to Impact Wrestling or are they actually in the process of renaming the WHOLE promotion Impact Wrestling?

I have no idea and I suspect neither do they.

I think they are changing the name of the company to Impact wrestling but are still using the TNA name for some thing because printing new posters for PPV's costs money.
 
OH MY GOD JUST WATCHED RAW SAW PUNK PORMO OH MY GOD HE CALLED OUT JOHN LAURANITIS IF HE WOULD HAVE DONE MICHSEL HAYES IT WOULD HAVE MADE ME HUMBLE>

NEVER stop BELIEVING!!!
 
I get the feeling Punk will LITERALLY be kissing Vince's ass at Money in The Bank.

I know we are in PG era but I think he'll make the exception.

edit: I found it weird when the WWE copyright logo showed up early as opposed to end of the show. Makes sense now.
 
spoilers about next week's raw:

The added stipulation all but confirms that Punk's beating Cena, then losing to the MitB winner immediately afterwards. The stipulation was that Cena's fired if Punk walks out the champion. Punk will become champion,but he won't walk out champion.
 
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