June Wrasslin |OT| MADNESS
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I'd have to question why anyone in this thread that are taking a dump on tonight's angle (or ripping on people for even buying slightly into it - nothing this good is ever cut and dry "shoot" or "work" - usually it's a combination of the two) are even bothering to watch wrestling at all.Net_Wrecker said:
It's like, "Ha ha you got caught up in a fake storyline. What a tool you are. Wrestling is all fake and scripted. The joke's on you."
What the hell is that supposed to prove? That you're a big man. If you can't get excited about a brilliant shoot promo or match of the year wrestling like Ring of Honor delivered last night, then just stop watching wrestling. Don't even bother wasting your time. Go watch the Cubs lose or something.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I love you.dream said:
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dream said:
You mean it isn't flat? Dammit.
Professor Beef
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Immatellyou summin right now, Josh. If and when CM PUNK and JAWN SEENUH get in dat ring, iss gun be own like NECKBONE.Net_Wrecker said:
Punk said on Colt Cabana's podcast that usually he either writes his own promos, writes them with the writers, or they give him a gist of what he should go out and say and he elaborates and adlibs.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I wouldn't be suprised if they sent him out there and said "shoot for five minutes. don't explicitly mention TNA or anything you know would REALLY piss us off. we'll cut you off and end the show at 11:10".
Punk is trusted enough that he can be allowed to shoot. Even if he's leaving. He's a cynical asshole but he's not untrustworthy or stupid.
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mooooose said:
^^ Exactly my point.
Net_Wrecker
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Professor Beef said:
:lol
Booker T is the third best thing about the WWE behind CM Punk and R-Truth. Anyone I see hating on this guy again is immediately on my hit list. He's one of the few guys who looks to be having a great time out there.
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To be fair, given the nature of Punk's promo, mentioning TNA wouldn't have served any meaningful purpose. That backwards organization is the antithesis to what Punk stands for. He wouldn't have wanted to mention them even if he was directed to. It wouldn't have made sense.mooooose said:
Kano on the Phone
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I know that movies aren't real and I can still get excited about them when they're good. Enjoying pro wrestling isn't contingent on pretending it's something it isn't. If it takes getting worked for you to enjoy it, more power to you, but it doesn't mean we can't all have a laugh at your expense.UberTag said:
canadian crowe
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mooooose said:
Exactly. He's a pro, and obviously cares about his craft even when he has to put people over. He never does the HBK over sell. Plus, even if he never goes back tot he WWE and still wants to wrestle, nobody
except for TNA
Definitely a work, but I do think it wasn't scripted. I remember hearing before that Punk was one of the few guys, along with Cena that the suits gave leeway to when cutting a promo. They obviously just told him to shoot, and the cut off was planned. So Punk just started small and worked his way up to make the cut off believable as a shoot.
At the same time, it wouldn't surprise me to see WWE drop the ball entirely after tonight. They've got a real gift at being able to start something compelling and then fail to follow through.
At the same time, it wouldn't surprise me to see WWE drop the ball entirely after tonight. They've got a real gift at being able to start something compelling and then fail to follow through.
Professor Beef
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Know what man, I gotta agree witchu on this one for once, Cole. Anyone that tries to hate on Book's hilarious commentary is gonna have to protect dey sternum, cuz I ain't 'bout to stand for dat, dawg.Net_Wrecker said:
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Professor Beef said:
Lemme tell you somethin', King. These guys up in here and on Twitter actin' like they soarin' liks 747's cause "Oh we know Punk promo ain't real dawg."
SHUT DA HELL UP, MAN. Dat was some good TV knowhatI'msayin'? It don't matter what people think as long as they ain't lackadaisical about the product, dawg.
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Yeah, that's been par for the course for them. It wouild be more surprising to see them NOT screw this up given the track record of the past several years.parasight said:
Here's a dissenting opinion about Punk's promo from PWTorch's James Caldwell that actually raises a valid point or two:
I think he lost the point that the whole rationale behind Punk not re-signing with the WWE IS the story and that airing just what those grievances are is key to selling the angle. Perhaps he's just so burnt on poorly executed shoot promos (and there have been many) that he's been conditioned to tune them out regardless of whether they're done well or not.
It is interesting that with all of the "worked shoot" material Punk deemed worth mentioning that the whole "CM Punk" name copyright issue was not brought up. Clearly if this was a shoot and not a work he would have given that some airtime. (We're all in agreement that tonight was a work - just not as to whether everything that was said was cleared ahead of time.)
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Lance Storm once talked about how wrestling is still "real."
People would come up to him in disbelief of his job, and they would say "yeah, that stuff is fake though, isn't it?"
That "isn't it" is what will always be there and what will always keep wrestling alive.
Half of this thread is getting worked so fucking bad right now. There is nothing "real" in wrestling anymore. Punk is a professional doing his job, and Vince isn't as stupid as some of you like to paint him. He's still got you watching every week, doesn't he?
People would come up to him in disbelief of his job, and they would say "yeah, that stuff is fake though, isn't it?"
That "isn't it" is what will always be there and what will always keep wrestling alive.
Half of this thread is getting worked so fucking bad right now. There is nothing "real" in wrestling anymore. Punk is a professional doing his job, and Vince isn't as stupid as some of you like to paint him. He's still got you watching every week, doesn't he?
Mr. Enigma
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Not going to lie, I thought the same thing: "No casual fan knows who John Laurinaitis is."
Conrad Link
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*Ace Crusher out of no where!*
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Professor Beef
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Gotta say right now man, this is the most I been happy bout dis here product.I thought they were gonna need a MEDIC RIGHT HERE, but as soon as I saw Punk's promo, all I could say was awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwmahgoodness.Net_Wrecker said:
Fuck does it matter if it was completely scripted or not? It was entertaining as hell and walking around swinging your E-Dick at anyone who believes otherwise just makes you look like a bitter little smark who refuses to actually enjoy anything WWE related regardless.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Who's doing that? I think we were all entertained.siddx said:
What's fun to make fun of are people analyzing if it's real or not. It's like wondering if Johnny Depp really is Jack Sparrow.
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Well...
Damn.
/wrists
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zoner said:
I'd pay to see a Kevin Steen vs CM Punk promo off.
dream said:
Of course not, most of the IWC enamoured by this angle will lamp it. If you can't get people who call themselves wrestling fans to pay $15 for an iPPV that they KNOW will provide 3+ hours of awesome wrestling, you can't really expect them to pay $45+ for a single angle.
What does it matter?AnEternalEnigma said:
The people who know who he is would be totally into hearing his name dropped (especially in the context in which it was), and for those who don't know, it's like they're peering inside of an operation that they're not supposed to hear about. Even if they don't know who he is, they can tell simply by the fact that they don't know who he is that what they're hearing is somehow taboo. Which is kind of the point.
The promo works whether you know what Punk's talking about or not. In fact, it probably works better, at least in terms of "working the audience" if you don't know entirely.
The Punk I've seen on screen many times reminds me of the Punk I've been hearing in shoot interviews for years. With him, there can be a fine line. And that's what makes him so special. His personality translates well to entertaining.
Liu is a smart smark and can't grasp that it might be possible that Vinny Mac trusted Punk on this one, but with some ground rules.
Liu is a smart smark and can't grasp that it might be possible that Vinny Mac trusted Punk on this one, but with some ground rules.
love the back and forth of fake wrestleGAF and it's still real to me wrestleGAF ..
I don't know what's more exciting tonight .. Punk's promo or the back and forth between Net_Wrecker and Prof Beef showing some Booka T luv ..
you had me at "lackadaisical" .. spit up my water .. thanks
I don't know what's more exciting tonight .. Punk's promo or the back and forth between Net_Wrecker and Prof Beef showing some Booka T luv ..
you had me at "lackadaisical" .. spit up my water .. thanks
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It's not that fun. We're all quite capable of separating fiction from reality.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If you want to troll people who can't (i.e. people who legit hate Cena and don't realize he's playing a character on TV & Twitter), you'd be better of posting in the WWE fan forums as you'll find plenty of bait takers there.
The cynic in me agrees with you completely on this.Bootaaay said:
Especially when it comes to plenty of the IWC contributors in here who weren't chiming in live during the ROH PPV yesterday.
But that event DID shatter Internet PPV buy records yesterday and did great business for Ring of Honor. Clearly there is a market there that will support a quality "wrestling" product.
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Yep. Consider the Leno/Conan thing. Lots of jokes that probably went over most of the heads of people that were watching, but the few that understood it were fucking glued to all of the drama.MetatronM said:
You're the one that posted thinking the suspension was legit.UberTag said:
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People and dirtsheets complaining that the WWE is now trying to target them with their product after complaining for years that WWE were not targeting them with their product are Doing. My. Fucking. Head. In.
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Bootaaay said:
THAT'S the problem. No doubt CM Punk can set the "IWC" on fire, but them, and the rest of the people not buying don't are about the CARD.
Who in their right minds buys a wrestling PPV for 1 angle? You buy when you're confident that the SHOW as a WHOLE will be good-great on a consistent basis. This Punk/Cena thing shouldn't be the only match on the MITB card getting this kind of build.
No one is saying you can't enjoy the promo but throwing out common sense and reality to make this promo more than it really is is something else.UberTag said:
This promo is designed for a segment of the audience that probably won't even buy the PPV anyway. Fun to watch, but ultimately meaningless.
Says the guy who is still bitching about Christian 2 day title run.UberTag said:
dream
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John Cena talks about freedom of speech in the WWE. Says WWE's decision to suspend Punk was a bad one. Cena mentions the time Daniel Bryan was fired for using a tie as a weapon. He says he doesn't agree with CM Punk but defends CM Punk's right to say what he said.
Vince McMahon comes out. He fires Punk. Says along with other things, Punk wanted limo service and to be on DVDs and he wasn't worthy. Cena argues with him and says "if you can't take the heat, hang it up old man".
Vince tells Cena that he really fired Punk because Punk could beat Cena for the title and take it to another company, and he cannot afford to take that risk. Vince tells Cena not to be Hulk Hogan and not to challenge him. He doesn't care what Cena or the WWE Universe wants. CM Punk is gone.
Cena tells Vince McMahon that if CM Punk isn't going to wrestle him then "here's the strap". He hands over the WWE title and begins to leave.
Vince McMahon reinstates CM Punk
Vince McMahon comes out. He fires Punk. Says along with other things, Punk wanted limo service and to be on DVDs and he wasn't worthy. Cena argues with him and says "if you can't take the heat, hang it up old man".
Vince tells Cena that he really fired Punk because Punk could beat Cena for the title and take it to another company, and he cannot afford to take that risk. Vince tells Cena not to be Hulk Hogan and not to challenge him. He doesn't care what Cena or the WWE Universe wants. CM Punk is gone.
Cena tells Vince McMahon that if CM Punk isn't going to wrestle him then "here's the strap". He hands over the WWE title and begins to leave.
Vince McMahon reinstates CM Punk
Mr. McMahon comes out to discuss the suspension of CM Punk. He says he deserved it when John Cena comes out. Cena asks what happened to Vince the fighter and wants to know if Punk got under his skin. McMahon says the real reason he suspended CM Punk is because he didn't want him to walk out of WWE with the title. Cena says what if he says something about people being replaceable. Cean throws the belt at Vince and walks away. McMahon reinstates Punk but says if Cena loses at Money in the Bank, he's fired.
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Wrassle-GAF doesn't have tag-team champs. I feel that should change.sajj316 said:
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I also posted saying that it was a work that "may" have gone overboard and not an actual shoot. Whether the suspension is "legit" or not has no real consequence - it's being "sold" as legit and we won't know otherwise until some time after tonight.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Do I believe it's a legit suspension? Reread what I said earlier because I never said that I did.
EDIT: Based on the spoilers
it looks like we are going to know by the end of tonight. Yay for a well-executed angle. Boo on it being played out over a double taping.
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dream said:
I like it, but I'm also loling at how this whole thing was another setup to make Cena look awesome and give him some odds to overcome.
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Professor Beef said:
I'm tellin' you, man. DIS right here is what gets my blood pumpin, dawg. DIS is what makes that muscle near my sternum start spinnin like a spinnarooni, dawg.
TELL ME THAT PUNK DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT
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dream said:
Cena is winning the PPV confirmed. They could have at least made it believable with a different stipulation.
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