June Wrasslin |OT| MADNESS

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Striker said:
I'm a fan, and I'm willing to admit his wrestling and look is nothing exciting. But he's still a decent worker, tries to improve himself in and out of the ring, and has a character. The latter which in case is lacking on many guys.
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This. Outside of the people demanding he unify the world titles, I can't see why they wouldn't put him on tv. Clearly there is something there character wise.

Last night was a HUGE opportunity to have him do something other than stand in the background in front of a crowd that was RABID for it. Would have looked great on tv and helped to get him over.

They couldn't find time in a THREE HOUR SHOW in the PERFECT STORM of opportunity to do something with him. It's clearly sending a message to everyone in the back to not bother trying to do anything to get over. If they decide you are Iron Mike Sharpe, you are Iron Mike Sharpe forever and no matter how much the fans chant for you or how many people watch your You Tube videos, they don't know what they want.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
This. Outside of the people demanding he unify the world titles, I can't see why they wouldn't put him on tv. Clearly there is something there character wise.

Last night was a HUGE opportunity to have him do something other than stand in the background in front of a crowd that was RABID for it. Would have looked great on tv and helped to get him over.

They couldn't find time in a THREE HOUR SHOW in the PERFECT STORM of opportunity to do something with him. It's clearly sending a message to everyone in the back to not bother trying to do anything to get over. If they decide you are Iron Mike Sharpe, you are Iron Mike Sharpe forever and no matter how much the fans chant for you or how many people watch your You Tube videos, they don't know what they want.
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The sad part is we'll never really know his true potential either. To the people who say "he's not that great of a worker/talker," well, how will we ever know if he's never given a chance?

What we do know: The dude has gotten MAD over for not being on major TV the past 4-5 months. That is damn impressive and takes a lot of skill, whether you want to believe it or not.

Think about a young HBK or when Stone Cold came in as the Ringmaster. Back then, we could have said both those guys probably weren't going anywhere past the mid-card. But what happened? Continued exposure on TV led to them breaking out and becoming huge stars.

That's what Ryder needs -- continued exposure. If he bombs, well, he bombs. But the potential is there to be a success. Main event-level success? Who knows! But he can at least inject the card with some much-needed variety. And unlike some guys (new Nexus/Corre), this guy is ALREADY over with the crowd. That's half the battle right there.

I'll always pull for Ryder solely based on the fact that the dude is a fighter and won't give up. Basically, he's the opposite of a lazy, doesn't-give-a-shit guy like Carlito.
 
I love how they had a long term plan for the useless piece of shit Riley but couldn't find anything for Kaval/Ryder despite them showing superior work and the ability to get over with the fans. Where's the fucking sense of it?

Hell, I even wish we had Percy Watson back.

At least they're letting Truth be utterly nuts and gave Punk some time with Austin.
 
On his Facebook page, Eric Bischoff wrote the following today: "Saw some magic last night at the iMPACT tapings in Orlando. Saw a fire in certain talent that I haven't seen in YEARS! Announce team was on the money. Slowly, but surely we are going to get there!"

On his Twitter account, Hulk Hogan added this: "Sting is really turning it up,worked with him in a situation last night and I saw something come from him I've never seen before, he's on"
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http://www.pwinsider.com/article/58...h-direction-of-tna-the-fire-in-sting.html?p=1
 
I was there last night and we were fucking HOT for Ryder. It looked like every other person had a homemade Woo Woo Woo headband, shirt, sign, glasses, or something. Spiked hair all around. Before the show started, we had LOUD "We want Ryder" chants. When he came out for Superstars... well, you'll see. He got a huge reaction. After that, we got some "We want Ryder" chants but Stone Cold kept the majority of the crowd happy enough to ignore the seeds of chants. Kinda sucked.

Had he come out on RAW, it would've been huge. A total missed opportunity. I, for one, was really excited to see him.
 
Interesting commentary from WO's Raw reviewer Todd Martin about matches not meaning anything anymore:

For the second straight week, WWE presented a terribly booked edition of Raw. Particularly striking is the WWE’s continued infatuation with terrible finishes. Every week they deliver one terrible finish after another, and somehow this is supposed to make you spend $50 on Sunday to see who wins additional matches. Instead, it teaches the audience that matches don’t matter, they don’t settle anything, and you’re not going to see feuds settled satisfactorily.

There are a bunch of factors for WWE’s long term pay-per-view decline, but these incessant horrendous finishes are right at the top of the list. Look at the people who draw on pay-per-view and the ratio of fuck finishes on their shows relative to the people who don’t. And at some point you ought to have the basic sense to recognize that match results have to matter again. People aren’t going to spend $50 for a show that resolves nothing and means nothing.

This is not that hard. The wrestlers in the top matches decisively win a series of matches and then they face each other on pay-per-view to settle who the best is. This isn’t rocket science. It is in fact exceedingly simple and is how wrestling has basically always been done. The whole point of protecting wrestlers with screw job finishes is so the losers can draw better in the future, but the point is completely moot because nobody in WWE is drawing.

We get a seemingly endless string of distraction finishes, interference finishes, count outs, disqualifications and assorted other bullshit. Then the pay-per-view comes, shock of all shocks nobody orders, and we’re told pay-per-view is a dying business. No, it’s not. But you have to actually give people a reason to spend their money and this incessant nonsense does not accomplish that goal in the slightest.
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Really makes you wonder what would happen if people actually won matches clean for a while. The thought must make Vince's head explode.
 
It's all true, sadly.

Look directly at the Cena and Miz feud. Even while holding the title, nobody took the Miz seriously. He was never booked strong, never had a convincing win outside beating (in a solid back and forth match) Daniel Bryan, and few others. But overall, his matches with Cena were hardly ever clean by any means, and most finishes were either DQ or countouts.

CM Punk got another "win" over Cena, his second pinfall win over him, but yet again it took outside inference to get it. The last time they had him pin Cena they decided to push him to Orton and that feud for Punk was possibly the worst thing to happen. He lost every match. Now we're back to square one... again.
 
Cool to see Jericho post this on Twitter:

So LAME that WWE didn't include @ZackRyder on Raw last night. No reason not to!! Wrestling is supposed to be FUN remember? Time to riot...
 
Striker said:
It's all true, sadly.

Look directly at the Cena and Miz feud. Even while holding the title, nobody took the Miz seriously. He was never booked strong, never had a convincing win outside beating (in a solid back and forth match) Daniel Bryan, and few others. But overall, his matches with Cena were hardly ever clean by any means, and most finishes were either DQ or countouts.

CM Punk got another "win" over Cena, his second pinfall win over him, but yet again it took outside inference to get it. The last time they had him pin Cena they decided to push him to Orton and that feud for Punk was possibly the worst thing to happen. He lost every match. Now we're back to square one... again.
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Look at last year's major angle: Cena vs. Nexus.

Especially the Barrett vs. Orton match with cena as guest referee. He gets fired, shows up on raw the next day, is rehired the next week. I think. I don't even remember, it was so bad.

Nothing means anything. People get traded to smackdown and continue to work on RAW. People get fired and show up the next evening. Random match results get overturned on official review while others don't. Feuds don't climax and finish at any clear point in time, not even at mania.

Orton gets a title shot in a crowd cheering contest, while Christian has to "earn" his title shot with a match.

It's all Cornetteface random illogical booking.
 
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She already had a shirt.

Besides, 15,000/365= there were about 40 birthdays there. It always amazes me that people think they should get special treatment on their birthday at sporting events

I can only imagine the number of birthday requests NFL teams get. People even want it if their birthday is a couple days before or after.
 
Just read this tidbit regarding Ryder last night:

WO said:
Regarding Zack Ryder not being on the show last night, someone from the company texted me last night and just said, "Vince hates the Internet." It is rather ironic that the company spends so much time burying Internet fans (remember an entire season of NXT) while at the same time plugging Twitter and Facebook incessantly. Welcome to WWE, though. A lot of WWE talents last night were pretty upset about it, thinking the company was just fucking with Ryder, which, well, they pretty much were. There were "WE WANT RYDER" chants all night, not only on TV but during the commercial breaks.
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*face palm*
 
Dork Knight said:
Just read this tidbit regarding Ryder last night:



*face palm*
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It was pretty obvious this was the old "We'll show him trying to get over without us" wrasslin payback. I'm shocked they didn't have him job on Superstars.

They've found ways to get him on Raw the last few weeks, but then a 3 hour super show comes to his home town and all of a sudden he disappears?

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To be honest stuff like not using Ryder last night makes me want to stop watching.

It was such a blatant dick move on Vinces part.

Decent show overall though, I just worry that losing to Cena on Sunday will kill Truth's awesomeness.

I also saw no problem with Cena's selling, so what he sold a plastic bottle. Yet there are many posts on that and only one or two on Christain botching, imagine had the roles been reversed.
 
From the Volition guy who posts over on the gaming side:

OneLetter said:
Our animation team has more than a few wrestling fans, and even some of our mo-cap actors are former wrestling stars.
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Guesses on who the mo-cap wrestling dudes are? And THQ should look into letting Volition take a stab at a WWE title.
 
DKehoe said:
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That was one of my favorite parts about Raw last night.

Also, regarding Ryder, Dolph Ziggler said it best on his twitter:

You didnt rib 'the kid' tonight, you ribbed the fans, Long Island & the boys in the back! AND kicked him in the nuts! #RyderOrRiot
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Net_Wrecker said:
RIGHT THERE TO HER STERNUM
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YOU GOT IT DAWG, THIS IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN

XiaNaphryz said:
From the Volition guy who posts over on the gaming side:

Guesses on who the mo-cap wrestling dudes are? And THQ should look into letting Volition take a stab at a WWE title.
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I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that Shane Helms is a mocapper.
 
Jeff Albertson said:
To be honest stuff like not using Ryder last night makes me want to stop watching.

It was such a blatant dick move on Vince's part.
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You heard Jericho. It's time to riot.

Vince hates the Internet?
The Internet needs to show Vince that they hate him back.
And the only way to do that is to either tune out the WWE and watch something else or to protest outside of WWE events with picket signs.

Frankly, the WWE & TNA brass will consider the Internet as 10%ers until they do something about it or sports entertainment is reduced to irrelevancy.
 
Bootaaay said:
I don't think most companies have dates booked that far in advance, but where abouts in Japan are you going? If it's Tokyo, then obviously there's more options, Pro Wrestling NOAH, ZERO-1, BJW and NJPW being the biggest, AJPW too but they're in a spot of trouble at the moment. Smaller companies like SMASH, Kaientai Dojo, DDT, Michinoku Pro, Apache Pro, BattlArts, Dradition, Freedoms and Union Pro run out of Tokyo too. Elsewhere, Dragon Gate run out of Kobe, Kensuke Office out of Yokohama and Osaka Pro and Okinawa Pro out of Osaka & Okinawa respectively.

Personally I'd try and see a NOAH and NJPW show for sure. ZERO-1 put on an excellent show too, and I imagine DDT would be hilarious to see live.
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Hey thanks for the reply, I'm staying with a friend in Kyoto for about 10 days in early October. Do these promotions run fairly often? I'd love to see one of the bigger promotions but I don't know if I'll have the time (or money) to make the trip into Tokyo. Would love to see MVP wrestle in New Japan, what other names are over there at the moment?
 
UberTag said:
You heard Jericho. It's time to riot.

Vince hates the Internet?
The Internet needs to show Vince that they hate him back.
And the only way to do that is to either tune out the WWE and watch something else or to protest outside of WWE events with picket signs.

Frankly, the WWE & TNA brass will consider the Internet as 10%ers until they do something about it or sports entertainment is reduced to irrelevancy.
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lol@the idea of organizing a movement amongst wrestling fans.

Wrestle-GAF is as savvy and mature of a wrestling community as we'll ever find and I bet the majority of us will still watch Raw next week even if we pledge not to.

It's like how there's always those 3 guys in this thread that watch Impact Wrestling every week even though they swear they're done with Impact Wrestling.
 
Razorskin said:
So this whole fans choose the matches and stipulations is like cyber monday right?

So it's rigged right?
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In my opinion the pointless votes(type of match, outfits the divas wear) are the only legit ones and the ones with real concequences(who will get the title match, who will be John Cena's opponent) are both rigged and the shows are written in a way that encourages the predetermined result(Like Santino-Honkey Tonk Man. They had him insult the Honkey Tonk Man for weeks and they still had to rig the vote to stop Piper from winning).
 
krae_man said:
In my opinion the pointless votes(type of match, outfits the divas wear) are the only legit ones and the ones with real concequences(who will get the title match, who will be John Cena's opponent) are both rigged and the shows are written in a way that encourages the predetermined result(Like Santino-Honkey Tonk Man. They had him insult the Honkey Tonk Man for weeks and they still had to rig the vote to stop Piper from winning).
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I don't necessarily think the votes are rigged. They just throw some absolutely ridiculous choices in there and have storylines leading up to there being only one conceivable choice for people to go with. But I did remember hearing something about that Piper situation.
 
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