Reneledarker
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Only two SD matches in this ppv, this just shows us how weak the roster is.
Yet somehow keep producing the best shows week after week.Reneledarker said:Only two SD matches in this ppv, this just shows us how weak the roster is.
funkystudent said:oh and Rey v. CM Punk
Punk Wins.
I expect since Punk it gonna take time off in a few months that they will build him up and get him in a title match with Cena so Cena can AA his through the stage or something.
Job and buried by Cena, and now will hand over his title over to somebody who can't do anything other than bodyslam and flex. Vince's masturbation material.Black Republican said:wade barrett must be pissed how the WWE fucked up his credibility![]()
meppi said:Even though I would hate to see Someone like Sting or Scott Steiner go, I do have to agree with him 100% on this.
I don't want to watch Tommy Dreamer, Team 3D or any of the likes nowadays, yet when I turn on Impact, I'm sure I will loose at least 15 minutes of my evening to Boring Ray run his mouth and put up a shitty match. :-/
Chriswok said:I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?
In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:
Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar
They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?Chriswok said:I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?
In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:
Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar
They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
Better matches huh?Net_Wrecker said::lol
You'd hate to see Sting or Scott Steiner go, but don't want to watch Bully Ray who is putting on better matches than BOTH of them, and is working the hell out of probably his 2nd best heel run ever. OK.
MetatronM said:Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?
meppi said:Better matches huh?
Snoozefests that's what they are.
Chriswok said:Fair calls, didn't leave them out because I didn't think they had taken their chances - simply forgot about them. Likewise Chris Benoit.
But still, all the names mentioned had character before they made it. Character in the ring, were interesting to watch. None of the new guys have much in ring character. I'm not talking about gimmicks, I'm talking about IN-RING character.
Its all a bit vanilla, and has been for years.
Got chance after chance. Two suspensions, sent home from European tour for bad conduct, among others.MetatronM said:Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?
No argument there.Net_Wrecker said:TNA ain't goin nowhere until become their own thing instead of WCW 2.0/WWE Jr.
Chriswok said:You can't push a turd.
Even Benoit and Lesnar, despite lack of Chrisma, had in-ring character.
Does Jack Swagger have an in-ring character? Not too sure about that.
Ziggler is possibly the only one I'd consider to have an in-ring character/persona at the moment, from those who haven't yet hit the Main Event for real.
meppi said:No argument there.
That's why I agree with Paul Heyman in the first place.
Just looking at that 3-way X-division match from the past week makes me think how much better impact would be if we got more stuff like that and less 10 minutes pointless storyline segments that never go anywhere anyway.
Not to mention the umpteenth match between Kurt and Jeff or the weekly Mexican alliance segments that drain the show from any flow it had to begin with.
Net_Wrecker said:You CAN'T push a turd, no, but you can put a wrestler who isn't so great on the mic, or isn't the best technically in positions for him to take the reigns and potentially reach higher than he "should have." Often times, the WWE doesn't even DO THAT. They push a guy for 1-2 weeks, lose interest, and shove him back down the card to Superstars. They don't even have a TAG division right now. You're telling me that some of these guys that can't fit into a mid/main feud couldn't thrive in a competitive tag division where all you need is a fast match pace to keep things interesting?
Look at R-Truth for example. Except for the people who've seen his Ron Killings heel run, how many people knew he had this in him? How many times IN THIS VERY THREAD would people completely shit on the guy anytime he was out there? They gave him an opportunity, and he ran with it. Facial expressions, on the mic, in the ring, and SHAZAM!! even back stage.
Net_Wrecker said:But Bully Ray still >>> most of the old guys in TNA.![]()
Mr. Sam said:Punk to beat Mysterio. Count on it.
What chances have been presented to Sheamus or Del Rio? Lesnar didn't need a chance because he was booked like a monster heelChriswok said:I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?
In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:
Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar
They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
You're talking about a 3-time WHC by the way. Punk isn't the best example of someone who has never been given a chance.Net_Wrecker said:I don't fully agree with this. Jericho, Punk, Michaels, The Rock, Stone Cold, Angle, and Eddie Guerrero among others are clearly in another league when it comes to IN RING charisma. HHH, Brock, Cena, and even Benoit got over by being booked strong in matches. That's not the same quality. Watch CM Punk interact with the Ref, his opponent, the crowd, the hard camera, and everything in between WHILE staying within his gimmick, telling a story, and being super solid on a fundamental level. If THAT'S specifically what you're talking about, it's a very rare talent.
Being booked right and being able to be a main eventer on the other hand is not some "born with it" quality that only a select few possess. Sure not everyone will be a MEGAstar, but come on.
Dammit, I laughed.worldrunover said:I will count. But it won't be "1, 2, 3". It will be "SIX. ONE. NINE."
It was mentioned on Raw one time that the anon GM had rehired him to Raw after Miz fired . . . I think.Striker said:Ha, on WWE.com's Raw roster, they have Alex Riley. I guess they want us to forget he got drafted over to Smackdown.
zoner said:What chances have been presented to Sheamus or Del Rio? Lesnar didn't need a chance because he was booked like a monster heel
HHH made his jump because of who he knew and because the man loves his wrestling
Kurt is one of the greatest of all time imo
Cena sells merch and had the JBL feud to get him over(also JBL is the epitome of taking the chance presented)
Jericho is the same as Kurt
Punk debuted with the internet behind his back, similar to Bryan, and WWE actually capitalized on that. Punk took the reigns from there despite the fact that WWE is consistently screwing up with him
Sheamus had a feud with HHH. Then what? Won a dumb King of the Ring where they made him look like the complete opposite of his gimmick. It's like Kevin Nash said in a shoot, why did they have Sheamus run from Nexus? He's supposed to be a tough guy. He didn't even put up a fight.
Del Rio has been booked into feud hell with Mysterio long past how long it should've been. He would've won the title with his RR win if it wasn't for Edge retiring suddenly.
Truth has seized the hell out of the chance presented
I think those three have huge in ring character that someone like Miz lacks
True but Punk does a great job at keeping himself over when he is put in positions that would destroy most guys crediblity. Similar in that respect to Jericho, they can both lose a large percentage of their matches but with a few subtle things they can keep their heat at a pretty much consistent level.remnant said:You're talking about a 3-time WHC by the way. Punk isn't the best example of someone who has never been given a chance.
So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.DKehoe said:True but Punk does a great job at keeping himself over when he is put in positions that would destroy most guys crediblity. Similar in that respect to Jericho, they can both lose a large percentage of their matches but with a few subtle things they can keep their heat at a pretty much consistent level.
You're talking about in ring character and saying Miz shows his but Del Rio is bland? The guy who winks DURING the matches?Chriswok said:Del Rio seems bland as well.
zoner said:You're talking about in ring character and saying Miz shows his but Del Rio is bland? The guy who winks DURING the matches?
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I think if you asked any wrestler younger than Jericho if they would want to have a career like his they would be more than happy to take that.remnant said:So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.
Chriswok said:All I'm suggesting is that perhaps there's not THAT much talent in WWE at the moment that can be pushed for longer then 1-2 weeks, due to a lack of character in the ring?
remnant said:So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.
Net_Wrecker said:Nahhhhhhhh mayne, I can't agree to this. There are at least 3-5 guys on the roster that might be able sustain a main event push who aren't being used well, or at all.
Also, there are 10-12 guys on the roster that could have a very strong mid card feud or tag division if they alternate focus, respectively, every 2 or 3 months. Not everyone has to be in the main event, and the product as a whole would become more compelling if everything was fleshed out.
Chriswok said:Yeah, OK, small pushes to make them 'flavour of the month' isn't an issue. That suggests to me though, that you don't see anyone on the Roster at the moment that could be given a sustained push.
I don't know, its just the way I view the WWE at the moment, and by rights people will think differently.
Be interesting to see who you think the 3-5 guys could be though![]()