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My Predictions:

KOFI KINGSTON vs. DOLPH ZIGGLER
For the United States Championship Belt.
Winner: Dolph Ziggler
Reasonings: We will yet see another Kingston vs. Ziggler match. I think Ziggler will win, probably by some kinds o interference.

REY MYSTERIO vs. CM PUNK
Winner: CM Punk
Reasonings: After a losing streak, a win for Punk would be nice.

WADE BARRETT vs. EZEKIEL JACKSON
For the Intercontinental Championship Belt.
Winner: Wade Barrett

BIG SHOW vs. ALBERTO DEL RIO
Winner: ABR
Reasonings: I think ABR will surprise us and win this match.

ALEX RILEY vs. THE MIZ
Winner: The Miz
Reasonings: After getting beat down past RAW's by Alex Riley i think The Miz will win.

RANDY ORTON vs. CHRISTIAN
For the World Heavyweight Championship Belt.
Winner: Orton
Reasonings: Super-Orton will win, but i would like to see Christian win the belt again.

JOHN CENA vs. R-TRUTH
For the WWE Championship Belt.
Winner: Cena
Reasonings: I think the Cena vs. Truth is only filler. Truth will probably lose and go back feuding with guys like Morrison.
 
Alberto Del Rio
Rey Mysterio
Eziekiel Jackson
Randy Orton
Dolph Ziggler
The Miz
John Cena

Other prediction: this PPV is going to suck
 
Kofi vs Ziggler
Ziggler will win since they're re-blonding him and sticking him in segments, seems every time he gets somewhere they push the reset button on him though.

Rey vs Punk
Can't really say on these two, they didn't even have a build up for it. Just saw spindashing's post on how today(6/19) is 619 day, smh, Rey is winning.

Wade vs Jackson
They want to push Jackson for no real reason and since The Corre is "finished" I believe Wade will lose.

Big Show vs ADR
This feud was set up really quickly and I can only see it being used as a stepping stone for ADR who I think Big Show will put over.

Riley vs The Miz
They're pushing Riley and they love making The Miz look weak, week in and week out, no reason for him to win now. Miz is a punching bag, he runs his mouth and loses that is The Miz formula.

Orton vs Christian
I don't see Orton losing this because I certainly can't see Christian winning this, they'd rather have Orton feud with Sheamus which they'll likely go with after Christian loses. Unless this is all according to keikaku.

Cena vs Truth
What I'd give for Truth to win and hold the belt for a while for a solid break from Super Cena antics. But we all know that likely isn't going to happen, if Cena wins this he'll likely hold the belt til' next Wrasslemania.


Also no 4 minute diva match, what is this bullshit?
 
Old school IWA Japan! This show is notable for a number of reasons; firstly, a young Tajiri kicks off the show against luchadore Aguila Negra. Secondly, the Headhunters (aka The Arabian Butchers) you may recognise from either ECW or a brief stint in WWF during the mid-90's. Thirdly, the main event is LOLtastic. The 'explosions' are little more than fireworks that spray sparks no where near the wrestlers, the crowd are disappointed, Terry Funk's pissed off and it would probably have been a joke of a match if it wasn't for the other elements in play; namely, barbed wire ropes with burning metal lanterns hanging from them. Now, Terry Funk + fire usually makes for a good time, but Terry Funk + scalding hot metal lanterns + flaming logs of death makes me fear for the other guys involved. Nasty finish.

IWA Japan - Fire On Earth - 13/11/94

01. Introductions;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUwhRtouuXs

02. Tajiri vs Aguila Negra;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvwmErUuXA

03. Takashi Okano vs Super Astro;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnE7EvfjOD8

04. Dick Slater vs Johnny Gomez;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJZDkXgd9yk

05. The Headhunters vs Silver King & El Texano;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCx1UcDjaZE

06. Miguel Perez Jr. vs Leatherface;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myovb_nVCqs

FIRE LANTERN NO-ROPE BARBED WIRE EXPLODING DEATH MATCH -

07. Shoji Nakamaki & Nobutaku Oraya vs Hiroshi Ono & Terry Funk;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG9maKstxTU - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvd1OfYgsWo - 2/2
 
funkystudent said:
oh and Rey v. CM Punk

Punk Wins.

I expect since Punk it gonna take time off in a few months that they will build him up and get him in a title match with Cena so Cena can AA his through the stage or something.

That's what I see too. Next month the Money in the Bank PPV is in Chicago. Makes sense to have Punk win tonight, go on to face Cena next month, and then Cena runs Punk out of WWE in a hot main event in Chicago if he is indeed leaving (and all reports indicate his contract is up next month).

Also at that event, I could see Alberto winning the MITB match to get the shot at Cena at Summerslam.
 
They should use the MitB on a midcard or somebody on the lower card. Dolph, Bourne, Swagger, Kofi, McIntyre, or Ryder makes more sense. But knowing WWE, they'll give it to Mason Ryan.

Ha, on WWE.com's Raw roster, they have Alex Riley. I guess they want us to forget he got drafted over to Smackdown.

Black Republican said:
wade barrett must be pissed how the WWE fucked up his credibility :(
Job and buried by Cena, and now will hand over his title over to somebody who can't do anything other than bodyslam and flex. Vince's masturbation material.
 
I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?

In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:

Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar

They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
 
I know this is wrestlegaf but did anyone catch Josh Barnett's post-match promo from strikeforce last night? Seriously, If this guy was in TNA or WWE he'd be an awesome face. At least he is adding some good theatrics to MMA.

Plus he's got awesome dance moves.
 
meppi said:
Even though I would hate to see Someone like Sting or Scott Steiner go, I do have to agree with him 100% on this.

I don't want to watch Tommy Dreamer, Team 3D or any of the likes nowadays, yet when I turn on Impact, I'm sure I will loose at least 15 minutes of my evening to Boring Ray run his mouth and put up a shitty match. :-/

:lol

You'd hate to see Sting or Scott Steiner go, but don't want to watch Bully Ray who is putting on better matches than BOTH of them, and is working the hell out of probably his 2nd best heel run ever. OK.

Chriswok said:
I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?

In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:

Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar

They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.

Most of the time, guys that DO want to stand up and do something don't even have a real opportunity. As good as someone might be, you can't run out to the ring and show off without the MANAGEMENT booking you properly. The Vince bashing gets a bit much, but let's not act as if it's 100% on the wrestlers, cause it's not.
 
Chriswok said:
I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?

In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:

Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar

They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?
 
Net_Wrecker said:
:lol

You'd hate to see Sting or Scott Steiner go, but don't want to watch Bully Ray who is putting on better matches than BOTH of them, and is working the hell out of probably his 2nd best heel run ever. OK.
Better matches huh?

Snoozefests that's what they are.
 
MetatronM said:
Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?

Fair calls, didn't leave them out because I didn't think they had taken their chances - simply forgot about them. Likewise Chris Benoit.

But still, all the names mentioned had character before they made it. Character in the ring, were interesting to watch. None of the new guys have much in ring character. I'm not talking about gimmicks, I'm talking about IN-RING character.
Its all a bit vanilla, and has been for years.
 
meppi said:
Better matches huh?

Snoozefests that's what they are.

Then Sting and Steiner's must be comafests. Let's be real here, you pair Bully Ray up with a young, fast guy and he can still keep up. Steiner and Sting on the other hand have to be the ring generals ALL the time.

In any case, they should all be gone as well as Russo, Hogan, and Bischoff. TNA ain't goin nowhere until become their own thing instead of WCW 2.0/WWE Jr.
 
Think a lot of people would agree about TNA, its so close to WCW in nearly every way its a bit scary. The bits that aren't WCW are ECW storylines!

The dismantling of the X-Division reminds me of when Nash walked through all the cruiserweights in WCW.
 
Chriswok said:
Fair calls, didn't leave them out because I didn't think they had taken their chances - simply forgot about them. Likewise Chris Benoit.

But still, all the names mentioned had character before they made it. Character in the ring, were interesting to watch. None of the new guys have much in ring character. I'm not talking about gimmicks, I'm talking about IN-RING character.
Its all a bit vanilla, and has been for years.

I don't fully agree with this. Jericho, Punk, Michaels, The Rock, Stone Cold, Angle, and Eddie Guerrero among others are clearly in another league when it comes to IN RING charisma. HHH, Brock, Cena, and even Benoit got over by being booked strong in matches. That's not the same quality. Watch CM Punk interact with the Ref, his opponent, the crowd, the hard camera, and everything in between WHILE staying within his gimmick, telling a story, and being super solid on a fundamental level. If THAT'S specifically what you're talking about, it's a very rare talent.

Being booked right and being able to be a main eventer on the other hand is not some "born with it" quality that only a select few possess. Sure not everyone will be a MEGAstar, but come on.
 
MetatronM said:
Edge? Eddie Guerrero? Rey Mysterio? Randy Orton?
Got chance after chance. Two suspensions, sent home from European tour for bad conduct, among others.

Today's guys would be booked to the bottom card jobbing to pedoswaggle and Santino on Superstars if they did that. Or released.
 
You can't push a turd.

Even Benoit and Lesnar, despite lack of Chrisma, had in-ring character.

Does Jack Swagger have an in-ring character? Not too sure about that.

Ziggler is possibly the only one I'd consider to have an in-ring character/persona at the moment, from those who haven't yet hit the Main Event for real.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
TNA ain't goin nowhere until become their own thing instead of WCW 2.0/WWE Jr.
No argument there.
That's why I agree with Paul Heyman in the first place.

Just looking at that 3-way X-division match from the past week makes me think how much better impact would be if we got more stuff like that and less 10 minutes pointless storyline segments that never go anywhere anyway.
Not to mention the umpteenth match between Kurt and Jeff or the weekly Mexican alliance segments that drain the show from any flow it had to begin with.
 
Chriswok said:
You can't push a turd.

Even Benoit and Lesnar, despite lack of Chrisma, had in-ring character.

Does Jack Swagger have an in-ring character? Not too sure about that.

Ziggler is possibly the only one I'd consider to have an in-ring character/persona at the moment, from those who haven't yet hit the Main Event for real.

You CAN'T push a turd, no, but you can put a wrestler who isn't so great on the mic, or isn't the best technically in positions for him to take the reigns and potentially reach higher than he "should have." Often times, the WWE doesn't even DO THAT. They push a guy for 1-2 weeks, lose interest, and shove him back down the card to Superstars. They don't even have a TAG division right now. You're telling me that some of these guys that can't fit into a mid/main feud couldn't thrive in a competitive tag division where all you need is a fast match pace to keep things interesting?

Look at R-Truth for example. Except for the people who've seen his Ron Killings heel run, how many people knew he had this in him? How many times IN THIS VERY THREAD would people completely shit on the guy anytime he was out there? They gave him an opportunity, and he ran with it. Facial expressions, on the mic, in the ring, and SHAZAM!! even back stage.

meppi said:
No argument there.
That's why I agree with Paul Heyman in the first place.

Just looking at that 3-way X-division match from the past week makes me think how much better impact would be if we got more stuff like that and less 10 minutes pointless storyline segments that never go anywhere anyway.
Not to mention the umpteenth match between Kurt and Jeff or the weekly Mexican alliance segments that drain the show from any flow it had to begin with.

Agreed.

But Bully Ray still >>> most of the old guys in TNA. :P
 
Net_Wrecker said:
You CAN'T push a turd, no, but you can put a wrestler who isn't so great on the mic, or isn't the best technically in positions for him to take the reigns and potentially reach higher than he "should have." Often times, the WWE doesn't even DO THAT. They push a guy for 1-2 weeks, lose interest, and shove him back down the card to Superstars. They don't even have a TAG division right now. You're telling me that some of these guys that can't fit into a mid/main feud couldn't thrive in a competitive tag division where all you need is a fast match pace to keep things interesting?

Look at R-Truth for example. Except for the people who've seen his Ron Killings heel run, how many people knew he had this in him? How many times IN THIS VERY THREAD would people completely shit on the guy anytime he was out there? They gave him an opportunity, and he ran with it. Facial expressions, on the mic, in the ring, and SHAZAM!! even back stage.

Even 'bland' R-Truth had more in-ring character as a face then most others though. Only just stuck my head into this thread so can't speak for anyone else or their comments.

All I'm suggesting is that perhaps there's not THAT much talent in WWE at the moment that can be pushed for longer then 1-2 weeks, due to a lack of character in the ring?
 
Net_Wrecker said:
But Bully Ray still >>> most of the old guys in TNA. :P

Nah, I'd rather still watch Steiner any day of the week.
At least he's entertaining when they let him do his thing.
3D was so stale in the end it became painful to watch.
When they announced they would hang up the boots, no one cared.
Yet here they are in singes competition.

I guess if you like a match where the highlight is punching someone in the face with a chain wrapped around the fist makes for a good wrestling, then I guess there's no point in arguing.

I myself prefer a pogo stick. :P
 
Awww yeahh, just in time for the PPV
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Chriswok said:
I know people keep slamming WWE for not pushing stars, but have any really stood out and taken the chance presented?

In the last 10 years, the only ones I can think of are:

Chris Jericho
HHH
John Cena
Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Brock Lesnar

They all have something in common in that even when they were 'no-ones' they had 'something'.
What chances have been presented to Sheamus or Del Rio? Lesnar didn't need a chance because he was booked like a monster heel
HHH made his jump because of who he knew and because the man loves his wrestling
Kurt is one of the greatest of all time imo
Cena sells merch and had the JBL feud to get him over(also JBL is the epitome of taking the chance presented)
Jericho is the same as Kurt
Punk debuted with the internet behind his back, similar to Bryan, and WWE actually capitalized on that. Punk took the reigns from there despite the fact that WWE is consistently screwing up with him

Sheamus had a feud with HHH. Then what? Won a dumb King of the Ring where they made him look like the complete opposite of his gimmick. It's like Kevin Nash said in a shoot, why did they have Sheamus run from Nexus? He's supposed to be a tough guy. He didn't even put up a fight.
Del Rio has been booked into feud hell with Mysterio long past how long it should've been. He would've won the title with his RR win if it wasn't for Edge retiring suddenly.

Truth has seized the hell out of the chance presented

I think those three have huge in ring character that someone like Miz lacks
 
Net_Wrecker said:
I don't fully agree with this. Jericho, Punk, Michaels, The Rock, Stone Cold, Angle, and Eddie Guerrero among others are clearly in another league when it comes to IN RING charisma. HHH, Brock, Cena, and even Benoit got over by being booked strong in matches. That's not the same quality. Watch CM Punk interact with the Ref, his opponent, the crowd, the hard camera, and everything in between WHILE staying within his gimmick, telling a story, and being super solid on a fundamental level. If THAT'S specifically what you're talking about, it's a very rare talent.

Being booked right and being able to be a main eventer on the other hand is not some "born with it" quality that only a select few possess. Sure not everyone will be a MEGAstar, but come on.
You're talking about a 3-time WHC by the way. Punk isn't the best example of someone who has never been given a chance.
 
Striker said:
Ha, on WWE.com's Raw roster, they have Alex Riley. I guess they want us to forget he got drafted over to Smackdown.
It was mentioned on Raw one time that the anon GM had rehired him to Raw after Miz fired . . . I think.
 
zoner said:
What chances have been presented to Sheamus or Del Rio? Lesnar didn't need a chance because he was booked like a monster heel
HHH made his jump because of who he knew and because the man loves his wrestling
Kurt is one of the greatest of all time imo
Cena sells merch and had the JBL feud to get him over(also JBL is the epitome of taking the chance presented)
Jericho is the same as Kurt
Punk debuted with the internet behind his back, similar to Bryan, and WWE actually capitalized on that. Punk took the reigns from there despite the fact that WWE is consistently screwing up with him

Sheamus had a feud with HHH. Then what? Won a dumb King of the Ring where they made him look like the complete opposite of his gimmick. It's like Kevin Nash said in a shoot, why did they have Sheamus run from Nexus? He's supposed to be a tough guy. He didn't even put up a fight.
Del Rio has been booked into feud hell with Mysterio long past how long it should've been. He would've won the title with his RR win if it wasn't for Edge retiring suddenly.

Truth has seized the hell out of the chance presented

I think those three have huge in ring character that someone like Miz lacks

Sheamus' push was during a time I didn't really watch much WWE, so can't really comment, but his in-ring character now is very bland. Del Rio seems bland as well. I don't mind the Miz in the ring, as his in-ring character is there. He's a wimp, and a cheat, and that comes across in the ring too.

Some of these guys have amazing gimmicks, but they get into the ring, and suddenly that gimmick is gone. There's no character.
Cody Rhodes, for me, is a good example; he's suppose to be this pretty boy, that's had his face destroyed. He acts that way out of the ring, and carries it over in the ring too. He never lets you forget about his face and the protection he carries for it.
Its not the greatest gimmick, and I doubt he'll go far with it, but at least his matches are interesting to watch because of it!
 
remnant said:
You're talking about a 3-time WHC by the way. Punk isn't the best example of someone who has never been given a chance.
True but Punk does a great job at keeping himself over when he is put in positions that would destroy most guys crediblity. Similar in that respect to Jericho, they can both lose a large percentage of their matches but with a few subtle things they can keep their heat at a pretty much consistent level.
 
DKehoe said:
True but Punk does a great job at keeping himself over when he is put in positions that would destroy most guys crediblity. Similar in that respect to Jericho, they can both lose a large percentage of their matches but with a few subtle things they can keep their heat at a pretty much consistent level.
So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.
 
zoner said:
You're talking about in ring character and saying Miz shows his but Del Rio is bland? The guy who winks DURING the matches?
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In fairness, you're probably right, but I've not really taken much interest in watching Del Rio. I'll make an effort to. Out of the ring he seems really interesting, but I just don't see that carried over once he gets into the ring.
 
remnant said:
So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.
I think if you asked any wrestler younger than Jericho if they would want to have a career like his they would be more than happy to take that.
My point was, WWE fucks around with guys. They can get a decent main event push then as they get moved down they fade into obscurity and lose all credibility to the extent that they could never be considered for a main event position again. For example Chris Masters was once in the main event scene. Think he could ever get there again now?
Guys like Punk and Jericho are pretty much bulletproof. They can be fucked over constantly but because of their talent can still stay over.
 
Chriswok said:
All I'm suggesting is that perhaps there's not THAT much talent in WWE at the moment that can be pushed for longer then 1-2 weeks, due to a lack of character in the ring?

Nahhhhhhhh mayne, I can't agree to this. There are at least 3-5 guys on the roster that might be able sustain a main event push who aren't being used well, or at all.

Also, there are 10-12 guys on the roster that could have a very strong mid card feud or tag division if they alternate focus, respectively, every 2 or 3 months. Not everyone has to be in the main event, and the product as a whole would become more compelling if everything was fleshed out.

remnant said:
So CM Punk is the next Chris Jericho? Oh wow who would ever want to be in that role? Poor Punk. An upper midcarder/main eventer for the rest of his career.

How is this in any way about how they book Punk? My original point was that his asking for people with IN RING charisma is not something that you can just teach wrestlers, and is a lot more rare than you might think. But at the same time, some guys don't NEED in-ring charisma if you put them in situations that are beneficial to their gimmicks, which is something the WWE seems allergic to.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Nahhhhhhhh mayne, I can't agree to this. There are at least 3-5 guys on the roster that might be able sustain a main event push who aren't being used well, or at all.

Also, there are 10-12 guys on the roster that could have a very strong mid card feud or tag division if they alternate focus, respectively, every 2 or 3 months. Not everyone has to be in the main event, and the product as a whole would become more compelling if everything was fleshed out.

Yeah, OK, small pushes to make them 'flavour of the month' isn't an issue. That suggests to me though, that you don't see anyone on the Roster at the moment that could be given a sustained push.

I don't know, its just the way I view the WWE at the moment, and by rights people will think differently.

Be interesting to see who you think the 3-5 guys could be though :)
 
Chriswok said:
Yeah, OK, small pushes to make them 'flavour of the month' isn't an issue. That suggests to me though, that you don't see anyone on the Roster at the moment that could be given a sustained push.

I don't know, its just the way I view the WWE at the moment, and by rights people will think differently.

Be interesting to see who you think the 3-5 guys could be though :)

OK, first of all, what is a "Sustained Push?" Cena and Orton? If so, I FIRMLY believe we are PAST the age of supermen in wresting, and to have heroes like that in the current climate of entertainment who brush off opponents like flies is a complete joke. It isn't about "Flavor of the Month" it's about building better characters, a legitimate DIVISION, and giving everyone a chance to shine. It's perfectly OK to not have Orton and Cena involved with the main event for stretches of time. And when guys AREN'T in the main event, give them something else to do, but don't let them fall off the face of the Earth and flounder in a non-existent mid card until the crowd no longer cares.

As for the 3-5 guys who deserve better in the main event? Del Rio, Sheamus, Ziggler last year, McIntyre before they gave up, and possibly Barrett who they made to look like the worst leader ever. Someone else like Daniel Bryan could be elevated if they stop with the "nerd" garbage and push him as a submission/striking beast.
 
I think I'm going to spend the money for a Year of VIP with Big events. Those lamps are awesome.

I work till 8pm tonight so I'm going to miss the first 45 minutes or so of the show. I hope I only miss Wade-Zeke and Show-Del Rio.


Nobody gets any push anymore. Raw is all pointless filler until Cena is on camera and Smackdown is all pointless filler until Orton is on Camera.

They don't write storylines for the entire roster anymore.
 
I am stoked for tonight's PPV. Primarily, I am excited for Truth. He has been exceptional these past two months. Moreover, the card is decent.
 
My Predictions:

KOFI KINGSTON vs. DOLPH ZIGGLER
For the United States Championship Belt.
Winner: Dolph Ziggler
Reasonings: Could go either way, but Ziggs could use the belt a bit more now.

REY MYSTERIO vs. CM PUNK
Winner: CM Punk
Reasonings: Because he's probably fighting Cena next month (maybe a four-way match with R-Truth and a TBD fourth man, as I assume Morrison's not coming back yet) for the title and a win makes him a more credible threat.

WADE BARRETT vs. EZEKIEL JACKSON
For the Intercontinental Championship Belt.
Winner: Ezekiel Jackson
Reasonings: Jackson's getting a push, Barrett's not. Easy as that.

BIG SHOW vs. ALBERTO DEL RIO
Winner: Big Show
Reasonings: Simple finish to this brief feud so ADR can move on to something else ... *points further down the list*

ALEX RILEY vs. THE MIZ
Winner: The Miz
Reasonings: Miz has been beaten down everytime he and Riley have appeared on Raw since their split. If Riley wins again, the feud is beyond dead and no one's going to care about it building toward Summerslam.

RANDY ORTON vs. CHRISTIAN
For the World Heavyweight Championship Belt.
Winner: Randy Orton
Reasonings: Vince's hatred for the Internet fanbase.

JOHN CENA vs. R-TRUTH
For the WWE Championship Belt.
Winner: John Cena
Reasonings: Because the title change is happening at Summerslam when ADR beats Cena and holds the belt up until RR, only to have it swap back to Cena for the WM28 match with The Rock.
 
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