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Gareth Edwards seems to know his stuff for Godzilla coming off the micro-budget Monsters but he started in visual effects, at least. Never seen this Trevorrow's stuff, though.

Let's just say that there's nothing about the scale of Safety Not Guaranteed that would make one think he's the guy to pick up the pieces on one of the biggest franchises in movie history. But to your point, you never can tell with 100% assurance. After all, Spielberg himself worked on rather modestly budgeted, small-scale productions before Jaws fell in his lap.
 
I've been compiling a list of all the bad, wrong, or just plain idiotic things about The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3.

The Lost World
-British family in the intro, completely awful, everything about them
-Sorna not having any protection around it despite KNOWING there are dinosaurs on it
-British mom screaming which cuts to the Malcolm yawn on the subway train
-Hammond's character completely ignoring the arc he got in the first film
-Hammond shipping off people to the island to study them WHY? MY GOD JUST LET THEM FLOURISH, you don't care anymore, John, based on your arc in the previous film!
-Kelly
-Sarah and everyone else thinking they'll never encounter anything DANGEROUS
-Sarah petting the baby Stego
-Kelly makes dinner, doesn't know there are dinos on the island so it's not really her fault but still, Kelly
-they decide to release the dinos from the cages because surely nothing bad could happen there
-hunters use baby rex to lure mom and dad, VINCE VAUGHN DECIDES IT BEST TO TAKE THE SCREAMING BABY REX BACK TO THE FUCKING TRAILER WHICH IS BY A CLIFF NO LESS
-Sarah asks Nick to spit his gum into her hand so she can somehow plug a wound with it
-he instead just spits in her hand because he's a stupid jackass
-they ignore the satellite phone because they're tending to a wounded infant Rex
-characters are dangling in the dangling trailer, Eddie asks what they need and they start rattling off fast food decisions because that's what I would do if I were in that situation
-massive group of characters talk and argue loudly in a dark jungle full of dinosaurs, even get into a fist fight
-Peter Stormare just has to go pee but manages to separate himself by what felt like 12 miles from the group
-then gets eaten by compies
-they camp for the night, decide to leave clothing DRENCHED in baby rex blood dangling inside the damn tent
-seasoned paleontologist has a snake fall on him which he takes care of by dancing out of the cave and into the mouth of the Rex
-token black guy screaming comically as a raptor pounces his ass
-Kelly kicks a raptor out of a window via gymnastics, does a badass pose that lasts for like 10 seconds, even John Williams decides to join in on the stupidity with DUN DUN DUNNN DUNNN
-ship crew being killed off despite the animals still being quarantined
-multi-ton Rex stomping down neighborhood, nobody notices
-Rex drinking out of pool because lol
-kid seeing Rex, looks scared but then casually yawns and almost sleepwalks his way to his parent's room
-mom and dad start griping about the kid making stuff up because of the fish tank light
-Rex looking up into the window with the dog house dangling out of its mouth which leads to
-mom and dad screaming in the most slapstick fashion
-Kelly
-Rex attacks gas station because its a familiar, recognizable chain
-sophisticated rich dude goes exploring into the ship looking for the baby rex to... I don't know
-the closing shot features multiple rexes and herbivores like Stegos because they used to chill like that
- "got any kids?" Grant asks in the first one. "Hell yeah, three, I love kids!" has one kid in The Lost World, which is
-Kelly

Jurassic Park 3
-RESTRICTED
-plot adds zilch to anything
-let's go flying over Sorna with a dingy parasail
-something attacks the boat while the boat is in the fog, how convenient
-why is Ellie married to this other douche NO NO NO
-why does Ellie have a kid that isn't Grant's too NOOOOPE
-Dern's acting in her one scene is atrocious
-Paul and Amanda are clearly full of shit in the bar scene, Grant is stupid and believes them
-Grant gets on plane going to Isla Sorna full of shady people
-dat raptor dream... "ALAN!"
-"how do you know the Kirby's?" "Oh, uh, through our church!" NO BULLSHIT DETECTED
-Amanda starts yelling for Eric THROUGH A MEGAPHONE ON AN ISLAND FULL OF DINOSAURS
-they decide to correct her, she still does it because she is THAT fucking retarded
-which leads to the Spinosaurus being all like the fuck is that, which immediately gets their plane crashed
-Grant sniffs eggs and immediately comes to the conclusion that they're RAPTOR eggs
-Amanda screaming at Ben's skeleton in a jungle full of dinosaurs
-Billy steals eggs because stupidity
-that shitty Tricycloplots joke
-that shitty Four Seasons joke
-Amanda thinks the phone in the incubation building could still have service
-Billy kicks in a vending machine for some snacks, making as much noise as possible
-Amanda clearly sees a fucking raptor head through one of the incubation tubes and stares at it like its a diamond ring because that's probably what she's thinking about
-raptors take Udesky hostage and use him as bait... which leads to Amanda being baited because they're legit more intelligent
-"You hear that!? COMPIES!" *opens safety hatch to watch compies I guess*
-Eric hears Kirby's Paint and Tile Plus phone jingle and starts to follow it without thinking about why his parents would have the phone volume cranked up that high
-they all reunite at the fence, only to find out that the Spino is yards away from them because it has a somehow ringing phone in its stomach and they can somehow hear it
-Spino crashes through fence, but the doors leading to the Pteranodon observatory stump it and it gives up
-Billy is attacked by the pteranodons which leads him upstream as the rest of the characters head in the opposite river direction (this is important for later, as it is multi-part stupidity)
-they dig for the phone in massive piles of spino shit and sure as shit find it in operable condition
-they get attacked on the boat, Grant manages to get a call to Ellie but her stupid kid is watching Barney because irony
-she hears "Site balrlrbalhh blarrh RIVER" and manages to decipher exactly where he is
-the movie stops so that Paul can tell us about this one time he went fishing
-won't even get into that final raptor scene
-man on beach with megaphone somehow gets to the beach before all the crafts reach the beach; in fact we see them all pull up
-the clever "THAT IS A BAD IDEA" joke makes a reprise
-Billy is somehow on the boat, before it got to the island, already being treated, besides being chased in the opposite direction the others went in by the pteranodons
-he was seriously injured so it can't be justified with "maybe he made his way in their direction over time"
-that shitty Oklahoma joke
-which makes Eric giggle and Grant with a OH YOU GUYS... smirk puts on his hat
-pteranodons, now free from the island, dangerous, fly away, nobody gives a fuck
-super abrupt ending

...and there's no telling what I'm forgetting/leaving out. Ball's in your court, Trevorrow.

-Kelly
 
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I'm sure many of those points are just completely nitpicking but damn I can't help it, they bug the shit out of me.

Got several lol's out of it. Thanks for the laughs.

You forgot about the part in 3 where they're trying to take off and the wounded guy runs out in the middle of the runway and the pilot says the awesome line- YOU KNOW I CAN'T STOP THIS PLANE! (Which my friend and I literally use for all sorts of situations) and the wounded guy just stands there, doesn't move, and would've got hit in the freaking face by the front wheel of the plane if the Spino hadn't got to him first.


Oh and Kelly.
 
You forgot about the part in 3 where they're trying to take off and the wounded guy runs out in the middle of the runway and the pilot says the awesome line- YOU KNOW I CAN'T STOP THIS PLANE! (Which my friend and I literally use for all sorts of situations) and the wounded guy just stands there, doesn't move, and would've got hit in the freaking face by the front wheel of the plane if the Spino hadn't got to him first.

Absolutely, but I'll be fair and chime in that I think that dude knew he and everyone else were fucked and probably decided that getting plowed by an airplane was better than being eaten.

Still gets eaten.
 
Oh man, it's happening!This, being worse than III would be an accomplishment in itself. I hated almost everything about III and I'm someone who loved the 1st one and found the 2nd ok.

Despite my above post I greatly enjoy The Lost World and Jurassic Park III. I think they're really fun, and I think that JP3 is very vibrant and energetic. It's a nice film to just kick back to because of how fast the pacing is. But they're dumb as fuck.

My hopes for Jurassic World is that it feels like a spiritual successor to the original film and isn't fucking stupid. If it can hit the tone and seriousness of the first movie while bringing in new characters and having that intellect... I'll be good with that.
 
Despite my above post I greatly enjoy The Lost World and Jurassic Park III. I think they're really fun, and I think that JP3 is very vibrant and energetic. It's a nice film to just kick back to because of how fast the pacing is. But they're dumb as fuck.

My hopes for Jurassic World is that it feels like a spiritual successor to the original film and isn't fucking stupid. If it can hit the tone and seriousness of the first movie while bringing in new characters and having that intellect... I'll be good with that.
You found more problems than I did, and I even reviewed JP III.=O

Yeah I want this to be like the 1st one as well.
 
You found more problems than I did, and I even reviewed JP III.=O

Yeah I want this to be like the 1st one as well.

Can I see your review?

I love Jurassic Park so much that I even like the sequels despite obviously being aware of their problems. I can still have fun with films though.
 
You forgot one:
- Billy should have been Tim.

As neat as that may have been, it still wouldn't have been a straight up, bold-faced problem. Would have been very cool though, however, the writers would have still had him steal raptor eggs because I guess he... oh SHIT I knew I forgot something!

-Billy steals raptor eggs because he thinks he could have sold them for epic cash, BUT TO WHOOOOOOOOOO
 
Can I see your review?

I love Jurassic Park so much that I even like the sequels despite obviously being aware of their problems. I can still have fun with films though.
I should had remembered where I put the file since it's been many months since I reviewed it, lol. But I did list some good things so it's not all bad.=p
 
Let's just say that there's nothing about the scale of Safety Not Guaranteed that would make one think he's the guy to pick up the pieces on one of the biggest franchises in movie history. But to your point, you never can tell with 100% assurance. After all, Spielberg himself worked on rather modestly budgeted, small-scale productions before Jaws fell in his lap.

Not the same scale, no... but Safety Not Guaranteed was friggin awesome and full of emotion and heart.

So that's enough for me.
 
I should had remembered where I put the file since it's been many months since I reviewed it, lol. But I did list some good things so it's not all bad.=p

I would argue, again, that it's a good, fun movie. It's lackluster as a Jurassic Park sequel and was clearly just a quickly thrown-together thing, but it's alright to kick back to every now and then. It's over pretty quick and has some fantastic sequences. I love the herd scene, the pteranodon scene, and even the raptor scene. It's fun, but extremely mindless which is why I yearn for more.

Have you tried watching it in black and white? The director (Joe Johnston) is very very old school, he directed the new Wolfman film, and his shots/cinematography are deliberately old-fashioned and look astonishing in black and white. A friend of mine and I watched Jurassic Park 3 all the way through in B&W while intoxicated and it was very dreamy.

Not the same scale, no... but Safety Not Guaranteed was friggin awesome and full of emotion and heart.

So that's enough for me.

I get the point that posters like Scullibundo are trying to make. Sculli is a smart, respectable person that knows a thing or two about filmmaking. However, I don't think that everything is so cut and dry. These are experienced and seasoned adults. Frank Marshall is producer, he's a vet, he knows what he's doing. I don't think he would hire someone like Colin Trevorrow to direct something of this scale if he didn't think he knew what he was doing.
 
I would argue, again, that it's a good, fun movie. It's lackluster as a Jurassic Park sequel and was clearly just a quickly thrown-together thing, but it's alright to kick back to every now and then. It's over pretty quick and has some fantastic sequences. I love the herd scene, the pteranodon scene, and even the raptor scene. It's fun, but extremely mindless which is why I yearn for more.

Have you tried watching it in black and white? The director (Joe Johnston) is very very old school, he directed the new Wolfman film, and his shots/cinematography are deliberately old-fashioned and look astonishing in black and white. A friend of mine and I watched Jurassic Park 3 all the way through in B&W while intoxicated and it was very dreamy.
I haven't actually, that sounds pretty cool actually and maybe I would like the movie more if I did it like that.=p
 
I haven't actually, that sounds pretty cool actually and maybe I would like the movie more if I did it like that.=p

There's just something about it. I dunno. Maybe watching any modern film in black and white would yield the same effect. However, Johnston is on record saying how much he loves black and white films and I think even stated that he shot JP3 with that in mind. It definitely gives the film a more old-school edge, so I think you should check it out. He's a fantastic visual director that has made a lot of great things, but for whatever reason doesn't get more attention. I think despite the problems that JP3 was still a very well-intentioned film and Johnston actually begged Spielberg to direct a JP sequel, so his heart was in the right place. I think the script let him down though.
 
There's just something about it. I dunno. Maybe watching any modern film in black and white would yield the same effect. However, Johnston is on record saying how much he loves black and white films and I think even stated that he shot JP3 with that in mind. It definitely gives the film a more old-school edge, so I think you should check it out. He's a fantastic visual director that has made a lot of great things, but for whatever reason doesn't get more attention. I think despite the problems that JP3 was still a very well-intentioned film and Johnston actually begged Spielberg to direct a JP sequel, so his heart was in the right place. I think the script let him down though.

I think it speaks volumes that the only thing I can remember from that shitty movie is William H Macy and Tea Leoni's marriage troubles. Oh, and feathers.

That should not be what I remember from a damn Jurassic Park movie.
 
I think it speaks volumes that the only thing I can remember from that shitty movie is William H Macy and Tea Leoni's marriage troubles. Oh, and feathers.

That should not be what I remember from a damn Jurassic Park movie.

Eh, there's more to be had from it than just that. It moves quickly, the action is well done, the pteranodons fucking own, I really dug the spinosaurus, etc. It's obviously problematic which I illustrated a bit on already, but it's a fun watch.
 
I've been compiling a list of all the bad, wrong, or just plain idiotic things about The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3.

The Lost World
-British family in the intro, completely awful, everything about them
-Sorna not having any protection around it despite KNOWING there are dinosaurs on it
-British mom screaming which cuts to the Malcolm yawn on the subway train
-Hammond's character completely ignoring the arc he got in the first film
-Hammond shipping off people to the island to study them WHY? MY GOD JUST LET THEM FLOURISH, you don't care anymore, John, based on your arc in the previous film!
-Kelly
-Sarah and everyone else thinking they'll never encounter anything DANGEROUS
-Sarah petting the baby Stego
-Kelly makes dinner, doesn't know there are dinos on the island so it's not really her fault but still, Kelly
-they decide to release the dinos from the cages because surely nothing bad could happen there
-hunters use baby rex to lure mom and dad, VINCE VAUGHN DECIDES IT BEST TO TAKE THE SCREAMING BABY REX BACK TO THE FUCKING TRAILER WHICH IS BY A CLIFF NO LESS
-Sarah asks Nick to spit his gum into her hand so she can somehow plug a wound with it
-he instead just spits in her hand because he's a stupid jackass
-they ignore the satellite phone because they're tending to a wounded infant Rex
-characters are dangling in the dangling trailer, Eddie asks what they need and they start rattling off fast food decisions because that's what I would do if I were in that situation
-massive group of characters talk and argue loudly in a dark jungle full of dinosaurs, even get into a fist fight
-Peter Stormare just has to go pee but manages to separate himself by what felt like 12 miles from the group
-then gets eaten by compies
-they camp for the night, decide to leave clothing DRENCHED in baby rex blood dangling inside the damn tent
-seasoned paleontologist has a snake fall on him which he takes care of by dancing out of the cave and into the mouth of the Rex
-token black guy screaming comically as a raptor pounces his ass
-Kelly kicks a raptor out of a window via gymnastics, does a badass pose that lasts for like 10 seconds, even John Williams decides to join in on the stupidity with DUN DUN DUNNN DUNNN
-ship crew being killed off despite the animals still being quarantined
-multi-ton Rex stomping down neighborhood, nobody notices
-Rex drinking out of pool because lol
-kid seeing Rex, looks scared but then casually yawns and almost sleepwalks his way to his parent's room
-mom and dad start griping about the kid making stuff up because of the fish tank light
-Rex looking up into the window with the dog house dangling out of its mouth which leads to
-mom and dad screaming in the most slapstick fashion
-Kelly
-Rex attacks gas station because its a familiar, recognizable chain
-sophisticated rich dude goes exploring into the ship looking for the baby rex to... I don't know
-the closing shot features multiple rexes and herbivores like Stegos because they used to chill like that
- "got any kids?" Grant asks in the first one. "Hell yeah, three, I love kids!" has one kid in The Lost World, which is
-Kelly

Jurassic Park 3
-RESTRICTED
-plot adds zilch to anything
-let's go flying over Sorna with a dingy parasail
-something attacks the boat while the boat is in the fog, how convenient
-why is Ellie married to this other douche NO NO NO
-why does Ellie have a kid that isn't Grant's too NOOOOPE
-Dern's acting in her one scene is atrocious
-Paul and Amanda are clearly full of shit in the bar scene, Grant is stupid and believes them
-Grant gets on plane going to Isla Sorna full of shady people
-dat raptor dream... "ALAN!"
-"how do you know the Kirby's?" "Oh, uh, through our church!" NO BULLSHIT DETECTED
-Amanda starts yelling for Eric THROUGH A MEGAPHONE ON AN ISLAND FULL OF DINOSAURS
-they decide to correct her, she still does it because she is THAT fucking retarded
-which leads to the Spinosaurus being all like the fuck is that, which immediately gets their plane crashed
-Grant sniffs eggs and immediately comes to the conclusion that they're RAPTOR eggs
-Amanda screaming at Ben's skeleton in a jungle full of dinosaurs
-Billy steals eggs because stupidity
-that shitty Tricycloplots joke
-that shitty Four Seasons joke
-Amanda thinks the phone in the incubation building could still have service
-Billy kicks in a vending machine for some snacks, making as much noise as possible
-Amanda clearly sees a fucking raptor head through one of the incubation tubes and stares at it like its a diamond ring because that's probably what she's thinking about
-raptors take Udesky hostage and use him as bait... which leads to Amanda being baited because they're legit more intelligent
-"You hear that!? COMPIES!" *opens safety hatch to watch compies I guess*
-Eric hears Kirby's Paint and Tile Plus phone jingle and starts to follow it without thinking about why his parents would have the phone volume cranked up that high
-they all reunite at the fence, only to find out that the Spino is yards away from them because it has a somehow ringing phone in its stomach and they can somehow hear it
-Spino crashes through fence, but the doors leading to the Pteranodon observatory stump it and it gives up
-Billy is attacked by the pteranodons which leads him upstream as the rest of the characters head in the opposite river direction (this is important for later, as it is multi-part stupidity)
-they dig for the phone in massive piles of spino shit and sure as shit find it in operable condition
-they get attacked on the boat, Grant manages to get a call to Ellie but her stupid kid is watching Barney because irony
-she hears "Site balrlrbalhh blarrh RIVER" and manages to decipher exactly where he is
-the movie stops so that Paul can tell us about this one time he went fishing
-won't even get into that final raptor scene
-man on beach with megaphone somehow gets to the beach before all the crafts reach the beach; in fact we see them all pull up
-the clever "THAT IS A BAD IDEA" joke makes a reprise
-Billy is somehow on the boat, before it got to the island, already being treated, besides being chased in the opposite direction the others went in by the pteranodons
-he was seriously injured so it can't be justified with "maybe he made his way in their direction over time"
-that shitty Oklahoma joke
-which makes Eric giggle and Grant with a OH YOU GUYS... smirk puts on his hat
-pteranodons, now free from the island, dangerous, fly away, nobody gives a fuck
-super abrupt ending

...and there's no telling what I'm forgetting/leaving out. Ball's in your court, Trevorrow.

-Kelly

This post just deserves another quote because it's 100 percent on the money. In spite of 3's faults I still enjoyed it though but yea I won't deny the points on it.
 
Eh, there's more to be had from it than just that. It moves quickly, the action is well done, the pteranodons fucking own, I really dug the spinosaurus, etc. It's obviously problematic which I illustrated a bit on already, but it's a fun watch.

Yeah, sure... the pteranodon sequence is nice. But that's just it... it's a lone CGI setpiece. A movie needs to be more then a collection of competently done vfx setpieces. You need to care about the characters, and I never did cause they were all terrible. And you need an ending that doesn't rely on a baby making a dumb roar after picking up the phone.

And the movie pisses you off right from the start when they introduce the elite mercenaries with their huge 50 cal guns with hi explosive rounds. As soon as they land on the island, these guns are somehow completely ineffective and nowhere to be found. And the mercenaries all can't aim for shit. I felt fucking betrayed sitting in the theater. Are these dinosaurs somehow magically bulletproof all of a sudden? You can't invest in a movie when it doesn't even seem to believe in itself.
 
Yeah, sure... the pteranodon sequence is nice. But that's just it... it's a lone CGI setpiece. A movie needs to be more then a collection of competently done vfx setpieces. You need to care about the characters, and I never did cause they were all terrible. And you need an ending that doesn't rely on a baby making a dumb roar after picking up the phone.

And the movie pisses you off right from the start when they introduce the elite mercenaries with their huge 50 cal guns with hi explosive rounds. As soon as they land on the island, these guns are somehow completely ineffective and nowhere to be found. And the mercenaries all can't aim for shit. I felt fucking betrayed sitting in the theater. Are these dinosaurs somehow magically bulletproof all of a sudden? You can't invest in a movie when it doesn't even seem to believe in itself.

Hey man, I'm sorta there with you. As a successor to the first film it's fucking garbage. But as a standalone dinosaur romp I find it highly enjoyable. It's by no means great but it is highly enjoyable if you let it be.
 
Is this a reboot or a sequel?

It's a sequel that takes place 20+ years after the original, but the premise of the film is close to that of the original. From what we know there is a new, but fully functional theme park which was Hammond's original vision but brought to fruition. This is why the director on Twitter said that reboot is a strong word. It has elements of a reboot in that it's sort of the first film but realized on a grander scale as if Hammond's vision had succeeded, but it does take place after the original.
 
A little more horror and a little less humor will go a long way with this sequel. CGI has improved so much so that at least the dinosaurs will be well defined. Though I can easily see this sequel being underwhelming in a sense too.
 
I love this movies so fucking much, can't wait. I have watched the first one probably 20 times. Hell I even saw the 3D version they released in theaters. I'm a bad fan for liking 2 and 3 as well?
 
A little more horror and a little less humor will go a long way with this sequel.

Agreed. I would like to see something scary and horrifying but mainly with a sense of grandiose and adventure. Trevorrow stated that it would have an "old soul" about it, so hopefully that means it'll feel like something that came from Spielberg... that isn't The Lost World.

But, Colin's description was "this is a sci-fi terror set 22 years after the horrific events of Jurassic Park" so I think our director is thinking the same thing: this should be scary.

I love this movies so fucking much, can't wait. I have watched the first one probably 20 times. Hell I even saw the 3D version they released in theaters. I'm a bad fan for liking 2 and 3 as well?

Oh dude come on I laid out above why 2 and 3 are great films, just... a different kind of great than what most people tend to consider. They are really fun though. You're not in the wrong.
 
why isnt spielberg directing this? 200M budget eh? Please use robots as dinos and blend it with cgi little here and there. Just dont make everything cgi
 
A little more horror and a little less humor will go a long way with this sequel. CGI has improved so much so that at least the dinosaurs will be well defined. Though I can easily see this sequel being underwhelming in a sense too.

I would enjoy some good old fashioned animatronics where they can be used but I'm sure it'll be a CGI fest. If the CGI is up to par with Planet of the Apes I won't be upset
 
A little more horror and a little less humor will go a long way with this sequel.

This is my feeling as well. But I have a feeling they're going to have a bunch of campy humor bogging this down.

That just reminded me that at one time we were gonna get a horror-styled Cameron-directed Jurassic Park.
 
But I have a feeling they're going to have a bunch of campy humor bogging this down.

Sculli I HATE to do this AGAIN, but based on what exactly? I mean I'm right there with you hoping this is not the case, but do you have sources that tell you otherwise that we don't know about?
 
Sculli I HATE to do this AGAIN, but based on what exactly?

I hate to answer this again, but the director. The choice of director indicates so much that this film is going to be micro-managed into hell. They want this film to be that all-ages blockbuster the original was, but Spielberg isn't helming this shit, so that means a watered-down film that plays it as safe as possible with the threats that are ultimately hollow.

I really hope I'm wrong.
 
I hate to answer this again, but the director. The choice of director indicates so much that this film is going to be micro-managed into hell. They want this film to be that all-ages blockbuster the original was, but Spielberg isn't helming this shit, so that means a watered-down film that plays it as safe as possible with the threats that are ultimately hollow.

To be totally fair, Spielberg is guilty of that as well. And directors aren't just cut and dry people. They tend to look at a script and decide what's best for the film. Just because Colin made the quirky Safety Not Guaranteed doesn't mean that his vision of Jurassic Park is also quirky. These are grown, intelligent human adults that I have confidence in, not little children, especially after Colin directly shot down the arguments about why Sam Neill or Jeff Goldblum aren't in the film-- because pandering to fanboy demands aren't organic, they contribute nothing to the storyline, and no character should be shoehorned in to make the fans happy.

I don't think that a director's previous work is always entirely accurate either. Martin Campbell makes horrible, horrible movies like Legend of Zorro and Vertical Limit, but then he makes Casino Royale, which by my book is fucking fantastic. But yes, we're all hoping for the best. I would just like to think that there are people here that may be skeptical but that can end up loving it if it indeed turns out to be good. I just feel like sometimes when I see negativity that its some kind of predetermined thing, but I know people like you are much smarter than that. I mean, I'd flip my shit if you ended up liking Amazing Spider-man 2, as wholly improbable as that is.
 
I hate to answer this again, but the director. The choice of director indicates so much that this film is going to be micro-managed into hell. They want this film to be that all-ages blockbuster the original was, but Spielberg isn't helming this shit, so that means a watered-down film that plays it as safe as possible with the threats that are ultimately hollow.

I really hope I'm wrong.

I don't think so. Really seems like they have a ton of faith in trevorrow. I doubt they would've let him rewrite the script all summer if they didn't.
 
Vertical Limit is a goddamn classic.

you take that back.

take it back.

chris o donnell is a goddamn american treasure.
 
To be totally fair, Spielberg is guilty of that as well. And directors aren't just cut and dry people. They tend to look at a script and decide what's best for the film. Just because Colin made the quirky Safety Not Guaranteed doesn't mean that his vision of Jurassic Park is also quirky. These are grown, intelligent human adults that I have confidence in, not little children, especially after Colin directly shot down the arguments about why Sam Neill or Jeff Goldblum aren't in the film-- because pandering to fanboy demands aren't organic, they contribute nothing to the storyline, and no character should be shoehorned in to make the fans happy.

I don't think that a director's previous work is always entirely accurate either. Martin Campbell makes horrible, horrible movies like Legend of Zorro and Vertical Limit, but then he makes Casino Royale, which by my book is fucking fantastic.

You're ignoring what I'm saying. CT wasn't chosen as a director because of his experience. He was chosen because of his relative inexperience and thus his ability to be controlled and micro-managed so the studio gets the exact product they're looking to make.

You don't hire a greenhorn director whose last film cost $750k to suddenly direct a $200m dollar film because you think his last feature shows his talents for mega-budget tentpoles.

You do it because either

a) He's a fresh-blood, newly hot name that will seem like a brave choice, whilst being able to have him completely under the thumb to pump out the product the studio wants

or

b) You don't want to be employed anymore and hate your shareholders.

I don't think so. Really seems like they have a ton of faith in trevorrow. I doubt they would've let him rewrite the script all summer if they didn't.

LOL. They put the film on hold because the script was still being tweaked a year before the film was supposed to release, when they were still months away from shooting. The whole production has been shaky since they shoe-horned Trevowow into the director's chair. The studio isn't interested in making a great JP movie. They're interested in utilizing their property again and turning a profit.
 
I don't think so. Really seems like they have a ton of faith in trevorrow. I doubt they would've let him rewrite the script all summer if they didn't.

...and this, seriously. Frank Marshall is highly intelligent and knows what he's doing. It's not like him and Universal would let some random asshat come in and run the show for them. I think they're smart people and they know what they're doing.

You're ignoring what I'm saying. CT wasn't chosen as a director because of his experience. He was chosen because of his relative inexperience and thus his ability to be controlled and micro-managed so the studio gets the exact product they're looking to make.

I'd love some irrefutable proof.

LOL. They put the film on hold because the script was still being tweaked a year before the film was supposed to release, when they were still months away from shooting. The whole production has been shaky since they shoe-horned Trevowow into the director's chair. The studio isn't interested in making a great JP movie. They're interested in utilizing their property again and turning a profit.

The film was put on hold because Trevorrow wasn't satisfied completely with the screenplay, and he and his writing partner worked on it for a while to get it where they wanted it. If they're lying about that, the only people that will "know" aren't people that will contribute significantly to the box office.
 
You're ignoring what I'm saying. CT wasn't chosen as a director because of his experience. He was chosen because of his relative inexperience and thus his ability to be controlled and micro-managed so the studio gets the exact product they're looking to make.

You don't hire a greenhorn director whose last film cost $750k to suddenly direct a $200m dollar film because you think his last feature shows his talents for mega-budget tentpoles.

You do it because either

a) He's a fresh-blood, newly hot name that will seem like a brave choice, whilst being able to have him completely under the thumb to pump out the product the studio wants

or

b) You don't want to be employed anymore and hate your shareholders.



LOL. They put the film on hold because the script was still being tweaked a year before the film was supposed to release, when they were still months away from shooting. The whole production has been shaky since they shoe-horned Trevowow into the director's chair. The studio isn't interested in making a great JP movie. They're interested in utilizing their property again and turning a profit.


Obviously there is going to be some oversight, there's oversight with every major blockbuster. But to say that the movie is going to be shit solely on the fact that they brought in a new director is a bit ridiculous.I have faith in Trevorrow providing at the very least a decent popcorn flick. I have no preconceived notions that he's going to blow it out of the water and shock everyone, but I'm not gonna sit here and shit all over the movie before I know anything about it.
 
The film was put on hold because Trevorrow wasn't satisfied completely with the screenplay, and he and his writing partner worked on it for a while to get it where they wanted it. If they're lying about that, the only people that will "know" aren't people that will contribute significantly to the box office.

That's them putting a positive spin on it. When they announced that the film was going to release less than a year from the announce date, months before they had even started shooting it, many people including myself said they'd back out of that because it was ludicrous.

This is a situation exactly like that of 47 Ronin. There's no way in hell Universal isn't micro-managing CT after that catastrophe.

All it takes is a basic understanding of the difference between an indie production and a $200m studio tentpole. Trevowow's voice won't count for much.

And this isn't me saying the film is going to be bad. This is me explaining that - despite my hopes that it'll be good and I'm wrong, I don't expect it to be.
 
That's them putting a positive spin on it. When they announced that the film was going to release less than a year from the announce date, months before they had even started shooting it, many people including myself said they'd back out of that because it was ludicrous.

I think you're operating your logic a bit too mechanically. Perhaps that happens sometimes (I'm sure it does) but that isn't to say that Colin didn't want to go through the script and work through it with Derek Connelly until they found something that they wanted to work with. I mean they could have just taken Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa's original script if they wanted to make a quick buck, but they didn't.

I don't know how much you may or may not be right about, but it's still such early days that I don't think anything is finite at this point. It could be good or bad just like any other film.
 
I think you're operating your logic a bit too mechanically. Perhaps that happens sometimes (I'm sure it does) but that isn't to say that Colin didn't want to go through the script and work through it with Derek Connelly until they found something that they wanted to work with. I mean they could have just taken Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa's original script if they wanted to make a quick buck, but they didn't.

I don't know how much you may or may not be right about, but it's still such early days that I don't think anything is finite at this point. It could be good or bad just like any other film.

That's another reason I have faith, Silver and Jaffa penned Planet of the Apes and I fucking loved that movie.
 
That's another reason I have faith, Silver and Jaffa penned Planet of the Apes and I fucking loved that movie.

I didn't really like it to be honest but I think they're okay writers. However, with them and Trevorrow and Connelly all working at the same thing perhaps they struck a balance that works.

I won't consider this movie canon if it does't take place on Nublar.

It does and its set after the first film.
 
I won't consider this movie canon if it does't take place on Nublar.

I think Sorna could be awesome if done right. If they used Chricton's TLW as inspiration, they actually went into the whole dinosaurs dying before they reach maturity plot, it could be awesome.
 
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