Ixion
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You think people would get bored of a park that has dinosaurs in it?
The motive for creating a
hybrid dinosaur
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You think people would get bored of a park that has dinosaurs in it?
The motive for creating a
thecouncil
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I dont understand the problems with those rumors.
These are pretty much facts about humanity. When you put those things together with a park trying to make a profit by attracting patrons, it's all quite reasonable.
You'd see it in advertisements: New for 2014!
It doesn't, really. I feel like it would happen if this whole thing were a reality.
- People train animals.
- People would want to experiment in splicing different animals together.
- People would want to experiment in splicing different animals together.
These are pretty much facts about humanity. When you put those things together with a park trying to make a profit by attracting patrons, it's all quite reasonable.
You'd see it in advertisements: New for 2014!
We created a new dinosaur!
It doesn't, really. I feel like it would happen if this whole thing were a reality.
brandonh83
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In general? No. It's likely very expensive to go, however, and parkrunners are always coming up with new things to keep attendance steady or make it even better.
Exactly. It's a theme park. Money makers don't care what they do. In their minds the animals are products created for bank. If the original Jurassic Park were a success, it's also reasonable to assume that they would have eventually started to experiment and tamper beyond things like simply engineering them to be female.
Cow Mengde
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The Jurassic Park franchise has about 30 or so dinosaurs. We currently know over 1000 different kinds dinosaurs. I don't know, maybe they could have some from that 1000+ to choose from instead of making their own?
brandonh83
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You think people with all that power and resources wouldn't start to
tinker with genetic splicing and such
It'll be interesting to see how far that goes. I don't know if it will be exactly that, nor do I think it will overshadow the characters.
I thought they scrapped that shitty concept
Cow Mengde
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You think people with all that power and resources wouldn't start to? Because I sure as hell do.tinker with genetic splicing and such
It's stupid and expensive. Splicing sounds cool, but completely against what Jurassic Park is about. Cloning dinosaurs and keeping them alive is hard enough as it is, but can you imagine splicing a new creature that no one knows anything about? How we could even keep it alive and raise it?
thecouncil
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It could be like that. It also could be that the
trained dinos are like
trained animals attack their trainer
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Wait... Have you been to Jurassic Park? I want in.
brandonh83
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This isn't Jurassic Park. And I'm not saying the people at Jurassic World making these decisions are smart. But neither was John Hammond.
Cow Mengde
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You missed the point of that post. Splicing doesn't make sense from a profitability stand point.
brandonh83
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You seem to know an awful lot about how much money that costs and how much disposable income belongs to the Jurassic World owners.
Going by rumors Jurassic World has been open for a while, and is a pretty up to do place. Spared no expense! If they have the money to maintain an advanced theme park full of genetically engineered dinosaurs, I'm sure splicing is well within their budget.
thecouncil
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You seem to know an awful lot about how much money that costs and how much disposable income belongs to the Jurassic World owners.
Going by rumors Jurassic World has been open for a while, and is a pretty up to do place. Spared no expense! If they have the money to maintain an advanced theme park full of genetically engineered dinosaurs, I'm sure splicing is well within their budget.
Im pretty much convinced that Cow Mengde works at Jurassic Park.
bengraven
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Now add a cybernetic eye and lazer beams blasting the cars and you'll have how Spielberg envisions Jurassic Park these days.
Spielberg says the T-rex is the hero of the series. That's why it came out and killed those raptors in the first film. He even once mentioned it as a Godzilla moment, where the beast saves the humans.
That's why he's going to be treated like Paris hilton's purse dog in this film.
TitusGroan
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I think you will find that there have been numerous examples of executives stepping in and mandating plot points and story changes in order to maximise appeal. I shouldn't have to explain that. While those execs may not sit down and bang out the exact script themselves, they have the power to force changes and rewrites onto the screenwriters to modify things how they see fit. I will happily list noted examples if required.
The whole idea of a mutant gene-spliced dinosaur sounds like the sort of think an executive would cook up in order to maximise merchandising potential. "Oh look, here's our brand new, totally cool dinosaur! It even has camoflage! Make sure to go out and buy the exclusive Jurassic World toy set, lunchbox and branded underwear!"
The entire magic of Jurassic Park was that everything you saw on screen once existed in real life. Even the Velociraptors, if you just change their name to Deinonychus. In the words of John Hammond, it was real, not an illusion. Those beasties you saw were all real life breathing animals, at one point in history.
A gene spliced mutant? There's no basis in reality. There's none of the majesty of realising "Holy shit, that thing was once real." It takes what was an awe inspiring portrayal of animals that used to exist, and turns it into a crude monster no more real than the Predator or King Kong.
I'm also of the opinion that if this is what they needed to do to inject fresh ideas into the franchise, then maybe we don't need another film. The first one was absolutely perfect as is, and we certainly haven't benefited from two sequels already. If creating weirdo mutants is the only option, then maybe we should accept that Jurassic Park has its time.
Cow Mengde
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Survival rate in Jurassic Park is 7% I think. That's for regular dinosaurs. That's why they have Site B to manufacture dinosaurs by the thousands. Now imagine splicing a new animal that doesn't even exist. Now tell me how feasible this is.
brandonh83
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You don't have to explain it. Of course this happens. However, Spielberg has been trying to get some of these elements into the story for a while now. It's partially why the original JP4 draft was so bizarre, but it was just too much and too off the wall. I think they've been trying to hone down those ideas into something reasonable which could explain why its taken so long. It's not so black and white. Execs do step in and request certain things for appeal, but it's not a mechanical thing and varies by project.
As for the rest of your post, all I can do is respect your opinion. You have the original book and film, but I'm going by the film because that's what this is a continuation of. To me that film was about nature's natural course, the ramifications of toying with nature, etc. I see that exact same thing going on here. Part of the magic of Jurassic Park was seeing the dinosaurs, and Jurassic World has dinosaurs. One is apparently something off-beat, but that doesn't account for the variety of other dinosaurs in the park.
Also that "magic" has already been done with in the first film, so now they want to branch off and experiment. As long as the execution and vision for it is there, it's not something I mind, again, until further notice. I have no idea how that's going to pan out, and that's why I'm not hating on it, but hoping they pull it off.
Scooter155
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So, are we all just taking it for granted that the rumored synopsis is true? I read the article at slashfilm and there was really nothing in it that suggested to me this rumor was more plausible than any other false information out there... Did I miss something?
Ixion
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I agree that it fits into the "man tampering with nature" theme of the original story, but I'm skeptical as to why a hybrid dinosaur needs to be created in the first place. It just seems unnecessary for them to do.
There are two possible reasons I can think of:
-They managed to create a beast that's already part of folklore, which people have always wanted to see, like a dragon or something.
-If they're the only park with dinosaurs, then creating hybrids wouldn't be necessary. But perhaps they have competition?
There are two possible reasons I can think of:
-They managed to create a beast that's already part of folklore, which people have always wanted to see, like a dragon or something.
-If they're the only park with dinosaurs, then creating hybrids wouldn't be necessary. But perhaps they have competition?
brandonh83
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I think it's because the same exact rumors keep cropping up. They've cropped up before.
I don't know that I would over-think it too much. I simply think they made it because they can, and that they're dabbling in splicing and seeing what they can do in general. As stated they could see it as attraction material.
Perhaps one of the points is that everything is actually going well until they realize that they can't just settle with what they have and desire more which leads to consequences.
Well.. imagine a place like Disneyland/world.. it really has no real competition (despite there being other theme parks out there). They compete with themselves, but mostly.. time. You need new attractions to bring in even more paying customers. I would imagine the motivation in JW would be to have new attractions.
Greatest reveal ever.
sooo good
Dr. Zoidberg
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I know the post I'm quoting is older but I had to comment on this. I LOVED the first JP film. Saw it in the theaters 3 times and that's something I've never done with other films. I'm pretty tolerant of crappy movies but when the scene above played during my viewing of JP2 I seriously wanted to get up and walk out of the theater. Unforgivably stupid. That film has to be up there with the most disappointing sequels of all time. It was so bad that I didn't even bother going to see JP3. I've since seen it on TV and while it is not a good film I don't remember any scenes that approached the stupidity of the one quoted above.
Ixion
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As someone thinking about visiting the park, I wouldn't be excited about some man-made monster with random traits. I'd just want to see more of the dinosaurs that actually existed. Or they should have you interact with the dinosaurs in more interesting ways.
TitusGroan
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Companies have been operating aquariums for decades without feeling the need to cross a shark with a dolphin.
Just sayin'...
Just sayin'...
Because god knows, a theme park with real live dinosaurs is pretty dull after a while, best get those made up animals ready for when people get bored.
People have been operating theme parks for decades without feeling the need to clone extinct dinosaurs.
Just sayin'...
At the end of the day, Universal needed to create a reason to justify a sequel to this franchise. They can't rehash the same basic plot again. Give the series a new perspective and give people something fun. Maybe they are making these crossbreeds because they are having trouble locating usable DNA from fossils for different animals. The idea that they want to create something new and original sounds exactly like a crazy promotion a real theme park would do to generate buzz to keep attendance up. Restaurants introduce new limited menu items, television shows introduce new characters or celebrity cameos, and theme parks open new attractions. Makes sense to me.
I still don't understand why so many people are focusing on the "accurate science" of the franchise. As I have said before, JP is far from accurate. The process explained for cloning the animals is scientifically impossible. Raptors are not as big as they are portrayed in the films. Dilophosaurus never had a frill or spit blinding slime. T-Rex's eyesight is not based on movement and was unable to run as fast depicted. The film established a believable universe and took creative liberties where it wanted to in order to craft an interesting film with plot devices that furthered the story.
So it's finally time to go one step further.
TitusGroan
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Apparently Phil Tippett is involved with the project, so here's to hoping he keeps an eye on things and doesn't let anything get too outlandish.
Dude's a special effects genius, even if he did direct Starship Troopers 2.
Dude's a special effects genius, even if he did direct Starship Troopers 2.
thecouncil
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You keep talking about Jurassic Park like it's real and you've been there. Survival at Jurassic Park is 7%? Uh, ok. Let's say survival rate at Jurassic World is 100%.
Cow Mengde
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I'm telling you why the idea doesn't work. Why these people are fucking everything you can imagine for the franchise. All their ideas are ass backwards, refusing to update the dinosaurs, etc.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The giant ant hills can double as giant shit piles!
Charles Foster Kane
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Where are you all reading these rumors and supposed spoilers?
Razgriz-Specter
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If they actually go back to the old place I would really like to see what this car looks like now.
I love stuff like that. Haunting and awesome at the same time.
That is what I wanted since Lost World and later 3.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Our second Jurassic World Podcast is out, where we do an info blowout of the layout of Isla Nublar and the new park. Mild spoilers. I would do a writeup, but kinda busy before work.
I was gonna drop the Hilton Isla Nublar news, but then I didn't..however, Reel Tours Hawaii grabbed this pic so it is out there!
You are doing God's Work, son.
I agree
HP_Wuvcraft
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I hope we get to see Chris Pratt or someone training the dinosaurs. That would be cool.
They have a lot of opportunity to show human/dino interaction in a way the first JP didn't.
They have a lot of opportunity to show human/dino interaction in a way the first JP didn't.
Gozer the Gozerian
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So Jurassic World is going to be about GMOs? Its going to show the danger of genetically modified frankendinosaurs and make everyone appreciate free-range organic tyrannosaurs and velociraptors
They were "so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
It could be as simple as Henry Wu didn't like the spontaneous sex change that amphibian dna introduced, they didn't have the level of sophistication they wanted. So he wants to see if he could more directly target traits from the DNA he is introducing. They are already making chimeras, why wouldn't he "step up his game"
brandonh83
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No, but this has been covered too, on this very page. You're welcome to disagree though.
Charles Foster Kane
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Thanks
HP_Wuvcraft
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Why are people getting hung up on the Trained Dinosaur bit?
It's a theme park.
It's a theme park.
MisterGrey3000
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That slashfilm synopsis sounds lame.
Same here friend, same here.
It feels like we're regressing back to the era where Dinosaur's were thought of as prehistoric monsters, and nothing more.
HP_Wuvcraft
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... dinosaurs were prehistoric monsters. By the very definition of monster.
MisterGrey3000
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What definition of monster are you using?
Dinosaurs were REAL animals that came in tons of different sizes, and looks. The first JP film understood that, even with all it's glaring inaccuracies.
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