Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Nevermind not worth it.
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Just got my console (and I assume my account) banned from Live for playing Halo 4.
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I am so embarrassed for this moron. Yeesh, I hope he gets banned again.
Screw Consoles.
Maybe to the OP $200 isn't really worth losing all his games over. If all my friends were on xbl and I REALLY liked halo id probably do the same thing.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
The alternative being..PCs? Where DRM and digital services can do the exact same thing that happened to the op..
Has there been any press for this incident? Of course OP would need to agree to share his story, but if you post it on GAF, you might as well go bigger and maybe get the result you want.
Every console manufacturer has its skeletons in the closet, but the stuff MS gets away with without being called out on it publicly in a timely fashion is astonishing. RROD, Fifa hacks and now this, even if it's just an isolated incident.
Every console manufacturer has its skeletons in the closet, but the stuff MS gets away with without being called out on it publicly in a timely fashion is astonishing. RROD, Fifa hacks and now this, even if it's just an isolated incident.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
This has happened before, has had press before, has been addressed before. It's not anything new in the general sense of the story. Doubt op is the only one that it happened to with Halo 4 either, but the story hasn't really reemerged in relation to Halo 4.
Ninja Scooter
Member
video game journalists are too busy eating doritos and going on all expense paid trips to the Bahamas to see the latest Need for Speed game to do some actual journalism.
It's why I'm taking an observer's role in the thread now after participating the last time this was on the front page. Clearly the OP is far too invested in the 360 platform to turn his back completely. Understandable, too - I have over $500 invested in XBLA alone, saying "no more" after my 3rd RROD wasn't easy.
Same way you hate a king but cant speak about him publicly. No matter how anyone twist and turns it they all kiss Microsoft's ass [gaming media]. Never will you will see questions asked here on GAF asked by the media. Poster mentioned well all his friends and games are there. So what? If a woman is abused by her husband should she stay there because her clothes and bed are there? OP if your going to not make a stand then don't make a thread.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Right, but buying a new console won't get back the op's purchases that he can no longer access. Those are banned. Much different than an RROD. He essentially started from scratch again, willingly. I think he said he wouldn't make any more digital purchases from here on, but assuming he bought the system to play online again, that means he also activated a brand new Live account and paid for that too.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
The only viable one for them, which is all they care about.
blitzcloud
Banned
people want it for the online mode. Disable online mode/game achievements/savegame before street date. If you modify your console date while staying offline, the achievements won't count properly. Online mode whitelisted and blocked in the same manner.
Doable with some coding hoops.
But what they're going after is modders, and they gun everything on sight not in whitelist.
-- Wait, this never got taken care of? I guess that also explains the timetable for Halo 4 fixes
That does nothing to protect retailers interests. If you allow them to go wild west with the street dates someone is getting screwed whether it be the furthest from the shipping depot or the lowest on the delivery totem pole.
blitzcloud
Banned
No, but it does make owning the game early pointless in many ways.
And yeah, I was totally into the argument that there must be no leaks with street dates. But as long as it's "secretly" sold it's alright imo (since that would happen either way for in-store people, family & friends of the manager). If they suspect a retail store, give someone the money to buy the game from that store. If he succeeds, he keeps the game and the retailer is in trouble
They normally only sell pre-release to trusted clients who would buy it from them either way, so it doesn't really affect the other retailers.
Update:
Excuse the amount of 'apparently' and 'allegedly'
So, Microsoft want a receipt to prove the game is legitimate. The OP apparently hasn't been able to supply enough proof that the game is legitimate... I believe the implication was he Photoshopped a photo of the receipt or something, possibly to blur out the name of the retailer.
Apparently he's been contacted several times about this, and has been described as being allegedly 'uncooperative'. Without a photo of an unaltered receipt, there is no further action that will be taken, the account and console will remained banned.
That's basically the gist of it, I had a good friend of mine take this on to find out the details, and I'd like to not involve them any further, they did this as a huge favor to me. I'm not sure if any of this information has actually been seen / understood by the OP, but essentially, a picture of an unaltered receipt is what is required for this issue to proceed any further.
Excuse the amount of 'apparently' and 'allegedly'
So, Microsoft want a receipt to prove the game is legitimate. The OP apparently hasn't been able to supply enough proof that the game is legitimate... I believe the implication was he Photoshopped a photo of the receipt or something, possibly to blur out the name of the retailer.
Apparently he's been contacted several times about this, and has been described as being allegedly 'uncooperative'. Without a photo of an unaltered receipt, there is no further action that will be taken, the account and console will remained banned.
That's basically the gist of it, I had a good friend of mine take this on to find out the details, and I'd like to not involve them any further, they did this as a huge favor to me. I'm not sure if any of this information has actually been seen / understood by the OP, but essentially, a picture of an unaltered receipt is what is required for this issue to proceed any further.
blitzcloud
Banned
Well, so they want him to rat away someone so he gets fired? The photo was posted here on the 26th of October... the photo of the game, that is. They just want heads to roll for this matter it seems. And I can understand why he was "uncooperative". For a personal favor, an employee of a store would be fired and fined/prosecuted.
Try to send a picture of the receipt with stuff on top of the important details, such as employee /shop
Uno Venova
Banned
Well he should post the receipt again with the store name strategically hidden then.
blitzcloud
Banned
Yes, and if they still refuse because the ticket is not fully exposing the crime or the date doesn't match the ban date...
Then it's time to make it into the gaming media.
blitzcloud
Banned
except it would make someone jobless and fined most likely.
Macho Madness
Member
And? Didn't they do the wrong thing?
Why? All media people have to do about their accounts getting hacked is make a tweet about it and wait 30 seconds for Major Nelson to unban the account. No problem for them, no reason to write or talk about it.
ShinobiFist
Banned
I mentioned in this thread earlier that is doesn't matter what the situation was, MS could BAN you for anything, even if your GT is "BlueBerryPie" and they see it as a violation of the TOS. You, as the consumer gave up your rights by clicking "I accept" If you guys don't like the TOS, don't use their service, or hit up your local congress man. TOS and EULA are the dumbest things this corporations get away with. And consumers, in general, blinding accept this terms without knowing what they just accepted.
The retailer shouldn't have sold the OP the game, so I still don't see a problem if that were the outcome.
faceless007
Member
blitzcloud
Banned
To Microsoft, yes. To everyone else no. If I'm a client for 10 years (exaggerated example) on a store and the clerks knows me since he started working there, I come regularly to the store and buy lots of stuff and ask it as a personal favor so he risks his job over it... ratting him out for a console/profile is a LOW hit.
quickwhips
Member
I like how this is becoming a snitches gets stiches kind of thing. Guy should show receipt or he doesn't have ground to stand on.
It's the responsibility of the retailer to not break a street date agreement with Microsoft, if they chose to make deal with a customer to go around that agreement then they should be accepting of the consequences of that action. Microsoft has every right to ask for an unaltered proof of purchase to verify the legitimacy of the purchase, if the OP is not willing to provide that proof because of fear that he will get someone who did him a favor in trouble, then that is his choice to do so.
Uno Venova
Banned
Something like this would be the worst thing to get fired over, since OP has another 360 I wouldn't bother if the store and employee needs to get outed.
Guy doesn't have to show jack. I imagine MS can detect a pirated copy of a game. If his game is pirated, ban should stay. If it wasn't, his ban should be lifted.
This sounds like he made a choice. Buy a new console over ratting out the retailer (which is a small business he has a good relationship with).
If those were his only two choices, then I think it's a respectful choice, and would be a little uncooperative to Microsoft myself.
Hopefully OP doesn't by Microsoft's next console. The 360 he obviously has a financial investment in.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
You imagine wrong. Been talked about already in this thread.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
The press won't touch it because the OP is hiding information.
Macho Madness
Member
I'm not even trying to defend Microsoft here. Their job isn't to 'sell' products early to friends, their job is to sell products based on known agreements with suppliers. That employee broke that agreement when they 'sold' the game early. Ergo, they deserve the punishment that comes of this.
Yes, let's all think about Microsoft.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Wow. This is intolerable.
Again: It doesn't matter if the OP bought the game legitimately or not. Microsoft obviously had no idea if the OP was playing a legitimate copy or not, and they banned him anyway.
It's a shame that the OP actually did tolerate this terribly policy by buying a new console.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Er..it does matter..to Microsoft..the only entity in this situation whose opinion matters. If they want to see it, then that's that. If they want you to produce a unicorn before they reinstate your account, that's that. They can do that.
Microsoft is fully aware of all the circumstances in this case. It was fully and properly investigated and reinvestigated. I am not going to comment on this specific case again. However for context, several people who bought legitimate copies of the game very early were temporarily banned, investigated and then subsequently unbanned, appropriately.
That's my last word on this particular case, period.
Puppet Shadow
Member
You almost make it sound like if I returned an item to a store but insisted on keeping my thumb covering the part of the receipt that showed what store it was from, I'd get hassled or something. Outrageous.
Really you imagine?
Expecting MS to take people's word for having a legitimate copy without unaltered receipt sounds reasonable to me. Expecting MS to be all knowing is ridiculous. They investigated in good faith the OP chose not to provide proof so that's that.
Maybe you can link me to the post that shows this? This is 45 pages and I'm not going to rifle through all of them. His copy looks legit and his account should be reinstated.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Stinkles droppin da hamma. That's a wrap folks.
I can't tell if you're serious or just trolling.
Seems to be more to this story. OP don goofed on something else.
Wasn't talking to you.