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Just Mafia |OT| Sometimes You Don't Need A Reason to Lynch Your Friends
- Thread starter CrimsonFist
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Could you give us your thoughts on that post?
Was it just for fun, for real or what was your invention behind that ?
What do you think about not claiming at all?
You are missing CCS already?
OK. Random vote?
Long time since we played together Nin. Something more to add, because this post is basically nothing. It's the kind of post that I would expect from scum to make when they want to look cooperative but without raising to many flags.
Hello franconp. Indeed it has need ages. Glad to play with you again.
Nothing there to add though. You are throwing shade at this post by saying there is nothing to see there, yet these are my thoughts. If you do not agree with them pick them out and start a discussion, i would love to. But stamping the post and saying g that It is something scum would do is just plain lazy.
Not even scum would be that lazy ( I don't suspect you of being scum atm since you are being yourself ( not cool btw ).
Furthermore I usually don't care about raising any flags but this time I want to cut the usual bs I do.
Let me ask you yesterday since I think that it comes down to this.
Do you think that those who would like to have a nice lynch are plain scum ?
Feel free to respond since I would love to argue with you again
What feels odd about the post is that it doesn't have much of your thoughts. It's basically you saying the benefits of both sides and not much else. You aren't taking a decision or a statement but just relating some easy facts. Scum love to do it because it makes them see cooperative.
Regarding your question: Not necessarily. I also think lynching someone it's the right way to go. I'm more interested about some of the reactions to Kark post: Zubs was too soon to jump on the topic and in a definitely weird way. The "I'm not looking at my role PM" seems bullshit. Both NecktoChiken and Kitsune seems to eager to jump into the No Lynch vote, but both are newbies so I can make some decision yet there. Fat made a bunch of post but he didn't commented about this at all (hell, he didn't commented about anything, it's just a lot of shitposting).
"he didn't commented about anything" is an awkward phrase in general. Not based on what I've posted, mind, but mostly on saying out loud.
You are correct, in my mind it was put out better. Let me be clear then.
I am on the boat of lynching someone since it is the only tool we have.
But i can understand Kark with his thought process even though i do not agree with him.
i will however not put a vote down just yet since chaning the votes so often just diminishes the impact.
haven't played with him for 2 games now, feel so alone...
Also, anybody that votes no lynch at EOD deserves to be turboed tomorrow
The first post it's like the post of Nin before. There isn't much there.
I think you can do better than doggo. What do you think about the eagerness of Kitsune to jump to No Lynch and then moving the vote to Wee without much reasoning? And about NecktoChicken already claiming?
Better now. What do you think about Zubs?
Both are new without making any interesting (dangerous?) moves thus far.
I've gone after new players before, but only after very odd shifts in decision.
Both of the new folk running at the moment haven't done anything to shift my opinion away for "new player gitters."
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Also, I've already stated my opinion on the 'No Lynch' vote at day one, but it's not a singular point I would hold against someone to justify a vote as well. I like to make my votes in general after the stretch of time leading up to the end of the day, and the reaction to that lead up as well. I would never find myself going for a No Lynch, but I can't say that it's a vote unjustified for everyone.
CornBurrito
Member
So we have 20 players. Lets assume 3 or 4 scum.
3/20 or 4/20 chance for proper lynch. That's 15%-20% chance of success.
We no lynch. Night phase comes.
In the night phase assume scum kills a town member.
3/19 or 4/19 = 16-21%... WOWWWWWWW BIG INCREASE!
Even being generous and assuming that a town cop investigates a town member (and we all believe the cop):
3/17 or 4/17 = 18-24%.
Of course that situation is super unlikely because even if a cop does investigate someone early on they won't just shout it immediately.
Our chances don't really increase meaningfully on D2.
No lynch is just wasting valuable time.
melonrabbit
Member
So far I'm liking these new kids.
unvote
Nin, you are in this game?
What are your current impressions?
Sorry I initially wanted to respond to this aswell but something came up.
I agree but am also hesitant on putting down my thoughts on those players aswell as the others for now.
I agree on the fat thing even though I can understand his way of playing. Since for most day 1 is just shitposting ( that is of course not true )
kitsunelaine
Banned
Voting novote was a mistake, I just didn't want to do something I'd regret later. I need to play riskier. 
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I think we should definitely lynch someone today, but I don't really have anything to add to that discussion or on who to vote for me. sadly, I've played with and like a lot of you, so I don't want to just carelessly vote someone, especially since everyone is being so nice...
Tanner! 🚓🚓
The Great No-Lunch Debate, Part 2:
This would be plainly true, if we were deciding who to lynch purely on a random draw (which is theoretically a valid strategy).
However, we're not doing that. Those 3-4 scum members area actively colluding to steer the vote away from them. So in practice, I'd say that To-Hit ratio is less favorable than that.
In that case, we might have a better chance of hitting scum by choosing a lynch target RANDOMLY than this song and dance.
Deaths are the timer of a mafia game, so no, not really
This would be plainly true, if we were deciding who to lynch purely on a random draw (which is theoretically a valid strategy).
However, we're not doing that. Those 3-4 scum members area actively colluding to steer the vote away from them. So in practice, I'd say that To-Hit ratio is less favorable than that.
In that case, we might have a better chance of hitting scum by choosing a lynch target RANDOMLY than this song and dance.
Deaths are the timer of a mafia game, so no, not really
hey_monkey
Banned
Wow. Catching up. Bought a car yesterday and that took forever and then had to podcast and while I was shitposting a bit y'all are all in here doing WITNESS ME!! runs and making shit happen. Maybe. Or just making a big show. Gimme a bit.
True story
> https://www.random.org/sequences/
> Enters '1' for smallest, '20' for largest (20 player game)
> Presses "Get Sequence"
> Looks at first number as lynch target
> '11'
> Looks up who #11 is on the player list in the OP
God damn it
> https://www.random.org/sequences/
> Enters '1' for smallest, '20' for largest (20 player game)
> Presses "Get Sequence"
> Looks at first number as lynch target
> '11'
> Looks up who #11 is on the player list in the OP
God damn it
Blargonaut
Banned
VOTE: Karkador
Blargonaut
Banned
bruv pls no
Blargonaut
Banned
Voting novote was a mistake, I just didn't want to do something I'd regret later. I need to play riskier.
Do you BELIEVE in magic?
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm sure there are theoretical scenarios in which a No Lynch (I'm loving the No Lunch typos/autocorrects and I really just want to say LUNCH from now on - NO LUNCH FOR YOU!) benefits town. In fact, I'm inclined to say that No Lynch might be better than simply not voting - since, after all NOT voting is a power we all have, too. And it's a very different statement than No Lynch.
But while we are debating throwing no one into the volcano for their sweet, sweet information, scum is kicked back with their feet up. All they have to do is watch then. Who has influence? Who makes people listen? Who will or won't raise suspicion? And they're making their lists. We're giving them the tools to do that and taking nothing in return. Loath as I am to kill my friends, someone's gotta be the sacrifice, not only for the flip, but for everything that leads up to it.
Further, this devolves into us discussing mechanics - we've got people out their with their probabilities and their papers and their grand calculations and Kark picking his own name out of a randomized hat and at the end of the day, discussing the mechanics of mafia has become the flavor in the flavorless game. We all know it, it's relatively empty, and it's not particularly beneficial. It might lead to scum doing something, but so could any discussion, really, if we want to talk about those probable scenarios.
So like, vote for someone. You don't have to do it now. It's still d1 of d1. But someone needs to get taken to lunch. I'm anti-no lunch. Lunch4All.
But while we are debating throwing no one into the volcano for their sweet, sweet information, scum is kicked back with their feet up. All they have to do is watch then. Who has influence? Who makes people listen? Who will or won't raise suspicion? And they're making their lists. We're giving them the tools to do that and taking nothing in return. Loath as I am to kill my friends, someone's gotta be the sacrifice, not only for the flip, but for everything that leads up to it.
Further, this devolves into us discussing mechanics - we've got people out their with their probabilities and their papers and their grand calculations and Kark picking his own name out of a randomized hat and at the end of the day, discussing the mechanics of mafia has become the flavor in the flavorless game. We all know it, it's relatively empty, and it's not particularly beneficial. It might lead to scum doing something, but so could any discussion, really, if we want to talk about those probable scenarios.
So like, vote for someone. You don't have to do it now. It's still d1 of d1. But someone needs to get taken to lunch. I'm anti-no lunch. Lunch4All.
hey_monkey
Banned
So as someone who is a pretty recent newbie, I'm gonna come to you newbie to newbie and say don't do this. It's pretty unlikely people will lynch you day 1 because they are nice to newbies and my guess is that this is a first-game mistake and not a scum-cover mistake, but there's a few things here that you need to hear, I think--
-Day one, we're all just town. No one's going to roll out and say I'M SCUM! LYNCH ME PLS and unless you've got a neutral with a weird wincon or a miller or something, it's doubtful we'd see a claim for reason. But essentially, that's the backbone of mafia. We are all town. It's just that someone secretly isn't. There's utterly no reason to claim random town on day one.
-Your "nerd alert facts" are not facts and are actually quite easily disputed and this is where GAFia gonna get you if you're not careful. It's a long post of easily argued points and that equals noise and distraction. So maybe ease back.
As a recent newb who got lynched day2 for not dissimilar behavior... take it from me.
Blargonaut
Banned
NeckToChicken and Kitsunelaine, if you have any questions about the jargon in play, feel obliged to ask me what I think about the evolution of language
hey_monkey
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
youplayedyourself.gif
Blargonaut
Banned
Take away the [Mafia] glossary and what is a veteran player? A rotten, unoriginal piece of patchwork horseplay endlessly rewritten for the latest script's amusement. No
Blargonaut
Banned
We should be banned from using standard [Mafia] jargon for this particular game, I say.
Build your own lexicons, you sputtering hacks, I'd like to see you muppets attempt communication-driven creativity
Build your own lexicons, you sputtering hacks, I'd like to see you muppets attempt communication-driven creativity
hey_monkey
Banned
On the contrary, the traditional lexicon should serve this game perfectly, Stretch Blargstrong.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
hey_monkey
Banned
It's obviously Kark. He's come up twice on his own RNG!
Okay, claim accepted.
- No claim yet from LP on whether they're scum or not.
- NecktoChicken took us on a long walk of hypotheticals to claim...generic town. Not sure why.
- hey_monkey wont commit to an alignment, just basically telling us "we're all town" (#alllivesmatter), an approach that avoids any need to lie about your alignment or commit to a statement.
Blargonaut
Banned
when you DIY expect to DIE
hey_monkey
Banned
okay, game off.
so like I get the funny except all lives matter bullshit is not funny and please don't put my name in your mouth with that even as a joke.
game on.
I'm town! CONFETTI! PARADES! WOO HOO! It's as empty as a No Lynch vote d1, but there you go.
What's empty about a no lynch vote? You think I'm making an empty gesture?
You seem to not think it's an empty gesture
So while I may have made a flippant joke (sorry about that), let's not be flippant about this.
You're 1) advocating for a blanket "let's just lynch somebody" policy today, which is not uncommon, but
2) you are trying to establish a standard where we don't really have to look at or commit to an alignment today, because "it doesn't matter" or something.
I think there is some psychological basis in saying that people who might have something to lie about are going to try to not commit to a statement where they might have to lie. Thus why you seem to be playing with this idea of nobody claiming alignment. Even if it's a minor point, it's there.
hey_monkey
Banned
Kark, I don't want you to think I'm not responding, but I have work to do so I'm gonna be gone for a while for that, but what you are doing is the very definition of cherrypicking when you choose one of my statements in that post and not the others.
Is this really the hill you wanna die on? Arguing the merits of No Lynch and demanding people talk about their alignment on day one as though anyone's gonna say anything else? Sure, you might catch someone in a lie. But you're also going to dominate the conversation and the narrative and people like me, contrary-ass contrarians who like to argue for the shit of it, we'll respond, but scum will wisely stay out of it, maybe dropping in a pithy line or two so they look present without being suspicious.
I mean, we can do this dance if you wanna. I will dance because I am like physically incapable of not answering when I am addressed (some of y'all can do this and I envy it). But I do find it kind of hollow and possibly detrimental. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Is this really the hill you wanna die on? Arguing the merits of No Lynch and demanding people talk about their alignment on day one as though anyone's gonna say anything else? Sure, you might catch someone in a lie. But you're also going to dominate the conversation and the narrative and people like me, contrary-ass contrarians who like to argue for the shit of it, we'll respond, but scum will wisely stay out of it, maybe dropping in a pithy line or two so they look present without being suspicious.
I mean, we can do this dance if you wanna. I will dance because I am like physically incapable of not answering when I am addressed (some of y'all can do this and I envy it). But I do find it kind of hollow and possibly detrimental. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯What else have you said in regards to comparing No Lynch to other options, and how much those gestures mean? I was making a pretty specific point that you contradicted yourself.
Sounds a bit presumptuous to assume I'm gonna die for picking at your words, especially when you yourself admit you are gonna do the same.
I mean, we can do this dance if you wanna. I will dance because I am like physically incapable of not answering when I am addressed (some of y'all can do this and I envy it). But I do find it kind of hollow and possibly detrimental. ¯\_(ツ
The point is that people will avoid telling a little lie, even a soft little alignment claim, if they can avoid it. That is what I read from your "we're all Town on D1" speech. You are avoiding the subject.
Blargonaut
Banned
Yummy me samified yet you dare Kark yucky landing Darey?
Precisely what yuck!HM would say for nothing tailmouths yum's Fathoms more than bracing the land's Status Quote churn-prior.
Blargonaut
Banned
And so the threat of emptiness is implied unto itself