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you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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These were celebrities on a business trip.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Is this thread the id of the whole Kpop obsession?

I only have knowledge that Kpop is a thing from neogaf and I have never delved deeply into any of the threads made but the posts here are fascinating in a way I can't quite put my finger on.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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Thread is amazing.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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It's unfortunate how many Asian women have fallen into the allure of western style "beauty"covering themselves in chemicals, buying enhancements and demanding the latest trends.. I see it more in cities and their superficial women than elsewhere. Fortunately there are more exotic and homely women out there in small towns who appreciate the simple things in life.
 
CarpeDeezNutz said:
Is this thread the id of the whole Kpop obsession?

I only have knowledge that Kpop is a thing from neogaf and I have never delved deeply into any of the threads made but the posts here are fascinating in a way I can't quite put my finger on.
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One need only understand that the opinion of anyone with a female K-pop idol avatar is immediately going to try and curve their side of the discussion to cast K-pop in a positive light at all times.

I am literally not seeing any ownership from them whatsoever about the massive shortcomings and shady practices of the corporations who own (and I mean that in the very literal sense of the word) and manage these girl groups, not to mention the blatantly over-the-top sexualization of those women on all levels.

Even the most educated and level-headed posts I've read from K-pop fans can't own up to a video being a blatant sexual objectification of the women on display. It feels like they honestly believe these women have complete creative control over what they're wearing, the compromising dances they're choreographed in, and the kind of lyrics they sing; they call it "female empowerment" when they seem blind to the fact that NONE of these women wield the kind of power and influence and creative freedom that western artists such as Katy Perry, Nikki Minaj, Miley Cyrus, etc. have. There is no comparison.

The rash of K-pop idol av sporting posters coming out in unison only serves to strengthen my notion that this is a hive mind which will defend K-pop on every single point that's been made, not just from myself, but from anyone in general who can see that it's an extreme example of exploitation in the music industry. Not all of it, mind you, but a lot of it.

K-pop is a brilliantly marketed and packaged product with a completely hollow sense of artistry and purpose; it was clear to me, from living in S.Korea for as long as I did, that nobody gave a flying fuck about a single or album after it had been released for a certain amount of time. There are no "classic masterpiece" K-pop albums or songs that remain in the Korean public consciousness. You'd be hard pressed to find a random Korean K-pop fan on the street who could name me one massive hit single from 2007. It is always, ALWAYS about "the next big thing", moving from one "hit single" after another. People tire of one group, then focus on another. There's always another "Big Bang" or "Girls Generation" trying to be created. It's the most fickle fanbase I've ever seen. Even Lee Hyori, who was pretty massive in the early 2000's (and was still big when I was there in 2007), has faded into a footnote because she "got old" (not by my standards) and can't keep up with these newer, younger girl groups.

I still think there are some fantastic artists in the Korean music industry, most of whom can barely manage to cut a record deal. 2NE1 is one of the few, truly profound success stories about REAL female empowerment within a system that thrives on exploiting young women. They also happen to be legitimately good and I've enjoyed some really great music from them during my time in Korea. They managed to buck the trend...but they're really a rarity in that sense.

In the end, I have absolutely no problem with people liking K-pop. It's great to be passionate about something. Hell (and I'll highlight this in bold just to be absolutely clear), I respect the opinions of a collective fanbase that is as passionate and supportive as K-pop GAF; everyone likes different things and that's perfectly fine, but not what this is about. It's clear to me that I'll never get anything other than "K-pop is sunshine and rainbows, wot u on about, m8?" I just think that, when you're very obviously blind to the serious level of misogyny that permeates throughout such a manipulative industry, your convictions border on fanaticism. K-pop has some really, REALLY fucked up shit going on behind the scenes...and most (that's most, not all) these girls are not being treated fairly, not in the slightest.
 
freenudemacusers said:
Im sorry you can't believe that these 20 years old women have never been kissed and do not know what sex is. Korean girls are not like the kind of women you often see in the west. They treasure their bodies.
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freenudemacusers said:
As someone who has traveled overseas several times for fan events and vacations I can can only say that in my experience it is true. Women there also seem to appreciate a more modest man, unlike at home where it's about how much money you make and etc.
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Treasure their bodies eh? Unlike women of the west that apparently don't give a fuck about them?

Second posts illiuminates why you'd day such a thing. Why you hating on western girls
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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So they wanted boyfriends and you were in love with them, how'd that turn out for you.
 
How's this for "ether"? From the Harvard Crimson, of all places:

http://www.thecrimson.com/column/k-...13/10/8/Female_Empowerment_Exploitation_Kpop/

In her recent open letter to Miley Cyrus, Sinead O’Connor warns of the consequences of letting the music industry “pimp” singers. She claims: “It is absolutely NOT in ANY way an empowerment of yourself or any other young women, for you to send across the message that you are to be valued (even by you) more for your sexual appeal than your obvious talent.”
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But does shedding clothing truly imply empowerment? Or does the ability to dress “loudly” simply suggest that women have bought into this freedom of dress as an alternative to true empowerment and equality? Rather, it seems women have allowed the media images and hyper-sexualized portrayals of the “new independent woman” to “pimp” their dignity.
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Historically, the representation of females in K-pop has been problematic. Female artists are often depicted as a hybrid between children and sexually developed adults, such as in the wildly popular song “Gee” by Girls’ Generation. The lyrics repeat phrases such as “어떻게? (What should I do?),” “바보 (fool),” or “몰라 (I don’t know),” essentially infantilizing mature adult women, making them seem like utterly clueless children who must depend on older men to teach them about love. Not only do these portrayals and lyrics subordinate females, they also enforce the idea that it is acceptable for a woman to “dumb herself down” to attract a partner. Moreover, the girls in this video are literally displayed as mannequins in a store window, and at the start of the video, a teenage boy walks around these girls, as if to prove the point that these girls are the objects of male fantasy. K-pop marketing caters to a heterosexual male audience and seemingly suggests that women’s societal role is to feed the male gaze.
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However, that isn’t to say that the entire K-pop industry suffocates women. Some female groups have managed to create songs that are refreshing and satirize the industry’s subordination of women. Consider “Sixth Sense” by the Brown-Eyed Girls. Both the song and music video are about the Brown-Eyed Girls’ revolution against male authority.
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Another group well known for their portrayals of independent women is miss A. In their hit song “Goodbye Baby,” miss A begin auditions to become backup dancers for a famous male celebrity. The man lounges in a chair, eating cherries and rolling dice to decide the fate of the women. Here, the man represents the way the South Korean media consumes women in its stifling portrayal of female gender roles and unattainable ideals of perfection. However, as the song continues, the tables turn. The girls reappropriate male privilege; all of the images of male dominance become symbols of their self-agency and ownership instead. The very chair in which the male celebrity lounged later becomes a throne for the girls.The girls leave no question about their message—their latest hit song was bluntly titled, “I Don’t Need a Man.”
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Songs such as these suggest that there is a strong understanding of the problematic portrayals of women in media and in the K-pop industry, but for every song or video about female independence there are a plethora of songs that infantilize and subordinate women—for every step of progress, the industry seems to take two steps backward. And that isn’t to say that portrayals of men in K-pop are any healthier. Until consumers—both male and female—of K-pop champion empowered and healthier portrayals of men and women, it seems the industry will continue to produce more media that increasingly reinforce this strict division of stereotypical gender roles.
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My work here is done.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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CaviarMeths said:
Sorry, I didn't know that I'm not the first person to call you out on making sweeping generalizations and trying to prop yourself up as "one of the good ones." I'll try not to tire you out further.
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Care to respond, in detail, to the points made in both my own post and the Harvard Crimson article?

Or would you rather throw out one lame-ass cop out response after another?

"Sweeping generalizations"

"One of the good ones"

Please, fuck out of here with that shit. The K-pop GAF hive mind already ran those into the ground. You've got the Harvard Crimson waiting...more reading, less cliched responses.
 
As someone not invested in K-pop at all and spent a few minutes Googling the issue, I've come to the following conclusion

To enjoy this stuff you have to:
-Accept that it's manufactured, managed, and marketed by a bunch of suits for your pleasure, or remain willfully ignorant of this
-Accept that the 'dark-side' (sexual abuse, how demanding it is etc) exists or remain willfully ignorant of this

That's all.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
As someone not invested in K-pop at all and spent a few minutes Googling the issue, I've come to the following conclusion

To enjoy this stuff you have to:
-Accept that it's manufactured, managed, and marketed by a bunch of suits for your pleasure, or remain willfully ignorant of this
-Accept that the 'dark-side' (sexual abuse, how demanding it is etc) exists or remain willfully ignorant of this

That's all.
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This man gets it.

But hey, it's "all okay, bro".
 
So the Gee Gee Gee music video is the female Korean equivalent of the male American music video of Bye Bye Bye from NSync?

Holy shit at the Murkas post.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
As someone not invested in K-pop at all and spent a few minutes Googling the issue, I've come to the following conclusion

To enjoy this stuff you have to:
-Accept that it's manufactured, managed, and marketed by a bunch of suits for your pleasure, or remain willfully ignorant of this
-Accept that the 'dark-side' (sexual abuse, how demanding it is etc) exists or remain willfully ignorant of this

That's all.
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There's an outstanding documentary on the issue, called Nine Muses of Star Empire. It's very hard to watch. It's about K-Pop group, Nine Muses as they were starting out. The sheer amount of abuse, both physical and emotional by the managers of the band, the higher ups, and even instructors, or make-up artists is insane. It's torture-porn levels of screwed up at times. At some point, they got in a car crash, and even wounded and busted up, they are still forced to practice. There's an actual scene of old men in suits, not coordis, mind you, actual old men in suits, the higher-ups of the company, actually deciding how short/skimpy the clothes of the girls will be on stage.

Oh and for those who wonder, no K-Pop GAF don't ignore these issues. SolidChamp is great at strawman arguments, but he's not much of a actual good debater.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
As someone not invested in K-pop at all and spent a few minutes Googling the issue, I've come to the following conclusion

To enjoy this stuff you have to:
-Accept that it's manufactured, managed, and marketed by a bunch of suits for your pleasure, or remain willfully ignorant of this
-Accept that the 'dark-side' (sexual abuse, how demanding it is etc) exists or remain willfully ignorant of this

That's all.
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Bullshit. Yeah this stuff does exist but this stuff also is not representative of all of kpop. Kpop doesn't just consist entirely of barely-legal cute innocent girl groups forced to dance and sing against their will.

Kpop has issues, but the issues mainly revolve around the artists being way overworked, not being abused and objectified sexually, which yes does happen but its not some norm that is rampant in the industry.

I like a ton of Kpop groups and none of them fit this little girl, creepy, provocative girl group criteria. Hell half of them consist of men.

And yeah, for some groups, people probably aren't wrong that the members haven't kissed anyone or had sex but it isn't because they're so innocent and pure and naive, its because their outrageously busy and in many cases do not even have any opportunity for those situations to even arise.
 
F0rneus said:
There's an outstanding documentary on the issue, called Nine Muses of Star Empire. It's very hard to watch. It's about K-Pop group, Nine Muses as they were starting out. The sheer amount of abuse, both physical and emotional by both the managers of the band, the higher ups, and even instructors or make-up artists is insane. It's torture-porn levels of screwed up at times. At some point, they got in a car crash, and even wounded and busted up, they are still forced to practice.

Oh and for those who wonder, no K-Pop GAF don't ignore these issues. SolidChamp is great at strawman arguments, but he's not much of a actual good debater.
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Meh, that's subjective. I've already put forth a ton of thoughts on the matter which can be proven with just a few minutes of googling and linking to articles...and I've already solidified my position with the Crimson article (which, of course, none of you have or will touch with a ten foot pole...it's too much truth in one article from an Ivy League University for you to handle).

I'm good. K-pop GAF can go back to their little fantasy world bubble, filled with Korean girls in short shorts and knee-high boots. Just make sure to convince yourselves that it's "all about the music" when you get back there.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
As someone not invested in K-pop at all and spent a few minutes Googling the issue, I've come to the following conclusion

To enjoy this stuff you have to:
-Accept that it's manufactured, managed, and marketed by a bunch of suits for your pleasure, or remain willfully ignorant of this
-Accept that the 'dark-side' (sexual abuse, how demanding it is etc) exists or remain willfully ignorant of this

That's all.
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Is this post about kpop or pop music in general?
 
SolidChamp said:
Care to respond, in detail, to the points made in both my own post and the Harvard Crimson article?

Or would you rather throw out one lame-ass cop out response after another?

"Sweeping generalizations"

"One of the good ones"

Please, fuck out of here with that shit. The K-pop GAF hive mind already ran those into the ground. You've got the Harvard Crimson waiting...more reading, less cliched responses.
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Can you point out the posts that make Kpop-gaf a hivemind?

Again, I'm seeing ad hominems and strawmen which is going to make me more likely to listen to the ones that aren't being dicks, which would suck if they're ultimately wrong.
 
SolidChamp said:
Meh, that's subjective. I've already put forth a ton of thoughts on the matter which can be proven with just a few minutes of googling and linking to articles...and I've already solidified my position with the Crimson article (which, of course, none of you have or will touch with a ten foot pole...it's too much truth in one article from an Ivy League University for you to handle).

I'm good. K-pop GAF can go back to their little fantasy world bubble, filled with Korean girls in short shorts and knee-high boots. Just make sure to convince yourselves that it's "all about the music" when you get back there.
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Enough with the dumb Crimson article. Yes I read it and it only provides one example of suggestive meaning from a couple songs from one girl group. You're lumping all of kpop into this underage girl group archetype like in the OP when it only makes up a fraction of Kpop. None of the groups I like, and I like a fair number of groups, fit the criteria of groups like in the OP and probably half of them consist of men. So I guess I'm just living in a fantasy world.
 
Carlius said:
you know i worked with korean girls and they once told me that in korea they were considered ugly. I thought they were incredible looking, in fact, i was like in love with all of them haha.

They told me that they cam to america because in here people think they are good looking, thus their chances of finding a bf were higher. So maybe these girls wanted to come to LA knowing this and wanted to have fun? who knows. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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ROFL this is why I read it. Hilarious damn post.
 
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