djplaeskool
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Kanye West Isnt Traditionally American Enough to Perform at Trump Inauguration
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Lovely Salsa
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What makes you think he wouldnt accept? Trump is his buddy
This completely cracked me up, but it feels like a white guy laughing at it might offend people.
Again, if that's the PR they carefully chose... What the fuck does it mean?
What do you think they're trying to convey, here?
This has nothing to do with the other performers, so I have no idea why you're bringing that up.
HawksWinStanley
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Still feel good about supporting him there, Kanye?
Trump is a fascist and so are many people he surrounds himself. He ran on bigotry. I've never heard of a white person not bring traditionally American, nor is that common parlance for people.
It's insulting as he is a traditional American in every sense. So you have to then ask, what does a party surrounded by bigotry define traditional American as. Then you have to go with their racist ass track record and find your home there. It's as clear as day, based on precedent.
The orders come from above. Someone made the call that Kanye wasnt, traditionally american, enough to perform.
It's hardly the hill worth dying on here. It's a bigoted party that acts bigoted and has become more emboldened over the years. This isn't a fluke. This was worded exactly how they wanted it to be. It's coded. And folks used to coded insults by bigoted representation know what it means.
If you don't have experience with it, it's fine. But your argument stops with donall trumps historic bigoted attitude, and literal nazi righters he surrounds himself with that have a vision of a whites only world.
You're not right on this one. You can rephrase your point all you want to be hyperbolic and bring fox news into it, but no its just your traditional code word to use for unwanted minorities. It's as American as American pie.
Lmao it's not even subtle. Anyone but Kanye and I'd feel for them but this is hilarious after his Trump rant on stage where he said "specifically to black people, stop focusing on racism."
Nah, he's too indoctrinated in Trump's bullshit to even respond to this.
Nah, he's too indoctrinated in Trump's bullshit to even respond to this.
Whompa02
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I perfectly understand the optics and I 100% agree with you that it could sound racist and be perceived that way, but I'm trying to explain to some people who don't seem to understand it, that the intentions seem far less nefarious and more of a way to downplay the fact that their event just has a shitty lineup.
Once again, tell me something I don't know about Donald Trump. He's an idiot...everyone agrees. I actually am right. You're just creating a narrative based on conjecture and hearsay, but you're free to do that.
We're not dealing with the brightest minds here. It actually does have to do with the event as a whole.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Once again, if Trump's rhetoric chased people off, why should we give his team the benefit of the doubt in this instance?
That's a valid concern, and one I'd probably keep in mind were I on Trump's team, but they should really think of a better public excuse than one that sounds outright racist as fuck.
Trump is a fascist and so are many people he surrounds himself. He ran on bigotry. I've never heard of a white person not bring traditionally American, nor is that common parlance for people.
It's insulting as he is a traditional American in every sense. So you have to then ask, what does a party surrounded by bigotry define traditional American as. Then you have to go with their racist ass track record and find your home there. It's as clear as day, based on precedent.
The orders come from above. Someone made the call that Kanye wasnt, traditionally american, enough to perform.
It's hardly the hill worth dying on here. It's a bigoted party that acts bigoted and has become more emboldened over the years. This isn't a fluke. This was worded exactly how they wanted it to be. It's coded. And folks used to coded insults by bigoted representation know what it means.
If you don't have experience with it, it's fine. But your argument stops with donall trumps historic bigoted attitude, and literal nazi righters he surrounds himself with that have a vision of a whites only world.
You're not right on this one. You can rephrase your point all you want to be hyperbolic and bring fox news into it, but no its just your traditional code word to use for unwanted minorities. It's as American as American pie.
Adults have a myriad of words to choose from the dictionary.
Claiming an American isn't traditionally American is insulting on its own. Now com one that with a literal bigot campaign.
Pop-O-Matic
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Kanye's second only to Trump himself in terms of taking anything that might be a slight against him and blowing it way out of proportion.
Mammoth Jones
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Yup. And let's not forget Jazz was not regarded well by mainstream America at first. Not until it was colonized.
"Jazz began to get a reputation as being immoral, and many members of the older generations saw it as threatening the old cultural values and promoting the new decadent values of the Roaring 20s. Professor Henry van Dyke of Princeton University wrote: "... it is not music at all. It's merely an irritation of the nerves of hearing, a sensual teasing of the strings of physical passion."[4] The media too began to denigrate jazz. The New York Times used stories and headlines to pick at jazz: Siberian villagers were said by the paper to have used jazz to scare off bears, when in fact they had used pots and pans; another story claimed that the fatal heart attack of a celebrated conductor was caused by jazz."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Age
Regginator
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As subtle as a brick to the teeth.
Back-In-Black
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I mean even 2 Chainz was asked to perform
Puck Beaverton
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3 Doors Down confirmed hella American.
Kanye West not traditionally American enough for Trump inauguration
Looks like someone reversed that video and made this gif.
Normally I'd agree with you but after the last few months I'm not so sure.
LiquidSword
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Highly doubt it.
It was unconscious bias (racial and cultural) that probably slipped out when the dude was scrambling to make up an excuse on the spot. But just because there was no ill intent doesn't mean those words make black folks and other minorities feel like they don't belong in "Real America". That shit still stings so it's not just meaningless optics. I also think it is a widow into how many Americans view things they deem different as not what believe to be Real America to be inclusive of.
Garrett Hawke
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Lmao
Dumbass
Dumbass
SlimySnake
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Lol these guys are good. they know exactly what they are doing. they know their base hates rap and black people and the wording is basically an affirmation to their base that it's ok to come out and say these racist things.
What a country we live in!
What a country we live in!
how long until one of them straight up says "Rap? More like cRap! That ain't music." or "They aren't even singing! They're just talking!" on record?
I mean yeah this is probably it.
And the thing is, these things KEEP happening with people around Trump. I don't recall Obama's people having their feet in their mouths all the time. Did it happen with Clinton during her whole campaign. There is a reason. Sometimes they let how they really feel slip out. Whoops.
Mammoth Jones
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The smokescreen wore off. I just feel bad for the kids that grew up with Obama actually believing shit was different than it's always been. Sad.
I wonder how many times Barack Obama was described as not traditionally American enough to be president. Our next president claimed that Barack wasn't American at all.
Gordon Shumway
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What?! Laugh it up, homie lol..
yanipheonu
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Refusing Kanye despite a complete lack of talent at the inauguration doesn't speak well to their practicality.
In the past couple of months Kanye's managed to get played by Jay-Z, Drake, Cudi and now Trump.
We thought it was his fans who got to hold the L with Life of Pablo's release but it's becoming clear that in spite of his booming bravado on that record, Kanye is the biggest sucker here.
We thought it was his fans who got to hold the L with Life of Pablo's release but it's becoming clear that in spite of his booming bravado on that record, Kanye is the biggest sucker here.
ginger ninja
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Careful there cowboy, you might break your wide painting brush. How is that any different than saying Islam is 100% terroism and slavery ?
A huh. Sounds racist, but no go right ahead explaining to people why they shouldn't be outraged at a blatant dog whistle like calling rap not traditionally american music. Oh wait...
Take your own advice
You were used Kanye, for a photo op. Don't feel bad, you weren't the first nor will you be the last.
Frozenprince
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And $50 says Kanye continues to slurp on him. Cause he has no dignity.
Seriously though that's... that's barely even a dog whistle. He might has well have said "no darkies".
Seriously though that's... that's barely even a dog whistle. He might has well have said "no darkies".
Netherscourge
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"Traditionally American"
aka- anyone who doesn't piss off white people.
aka- anyone who doesn't piss off white people.
Dreams-Visions
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woulda been so legit.
Imagine Kanye deciding he needs to stop the music and pontificate.
IMAGINE IT.
Mechanized
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"We could have one of the biggest names in music when we are desperate for talent. But he's black sooooo...."
Conjecture? No. There isn't incomplete information. Trump is a party of bigotry.
Heresay. No, we have direct quotes and actions.
I agree. I'm free to know that racists use code language and dog whistles to pretend people aren't really americans. And that's what these people, who have a documented history of doing so, have made the call for pr to act on.
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Dubbedinenglish
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As I've heard it told to me before, "You one of the good ones 'till you a nigger."
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