Kanye West Isn’t “Traditionally American” Enough to Perform at Trump Inauguration

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This completely cracked me up, but it feels like a white guy laughing at it might offend people.
 
You immediately jumping to racism is wildly simplistic and shows a lack of understanding on how events are actually scheduled. Trump Team's PR statement however, is 150% an excuse to explain why the performers are shit.

I'll be too busy in DC protesting though, so doesn't matter to me who they invite...

Again, if that's the PR they carefully chose... What the fuck does it mean?

What do you think they're trying to convey, here?

This has nothing to do with the other performers, so I have no idea why you're bringing that up.
 
I'm debating that events like this are not scheduled with racist intent. Do you think all people who work at Fox News are actually all crazy republicans? You'd be surprised to find out how many of them are actually very liberal.

I'm saying that event planners sent out many MANY requests for artists, and nearly all of them, minus a bunch of shitty cover bands, forgettable 90s bands, and John Voigt, all declined the invite.

Trump is a fascist and so are many people he surrounds himself. He ran on bigotry. I've never heard of a white person not bring traditionally American, nor is that common parlance for people.

It's insulting as he is a traditional American in every sense. So you have to then ask, what does a party surrounded by bigotry define traditional American as. Then you have to go with their racist ass track record and find your home there. It's as clear as day, based on precedent.

The orders come from above. Someone made the call that Kanye wasnt, traditionally american, enough to perform.

It's hardly the hill worth dying on here. It's a bigoted party that acts bigoted and has become more emboldened over the years. This isn't a fluke. This was worded exactly how they wanted it to be. It's coded. And folks used to coded insults by bigoted representation know what it means.

If you don't have experience with it, it's fine. But your argument stops with donall trumps historic bigoted attitude, and literal nazi righters he surrounds himself with that have a vision of a whites only world.

You're not right on this one. You can rephrase your point all you want to be hyperbolic and bring fox news into it, but no its just your traditional code word to use for unwanted minorities. It's as American as American pie.
 
Lmao it's not even subtle. Anyone but Kanye and I'd feel for them but this is hilarious after his Trump rant on stage where he said "specifically to black people, stop focusing on racism."

Cue Kanye Twitter meltdown in 3, 2...

Nah, he's too indoctrinated in Trump's bullshit to even respond to this.
 
The guy saying this didn't mean to be a mean racist but his response (PR or not) did let racial bias come out. Where black culture is deemed other and not part of Shara Palin's "Real America". You need to consider the context of how conservatives often talk about "Real America" and "taking our county back" (from who?)

I perfectly understand the optics and I 100% agree with you that it could sound racist and be perceived that way, but I'm trying to explain to some people who don't seem to understand it, that the intentions seem far less nefarious and more of a way to downplay the fact that their event just has a shitty lineup.


Once again, tell me something I don't know about Donald Trump. He's an idiot...everyone agrees. I actually am right. You're just creating a narrative based on conjecture and hearsay, but you're free to do that.


We're not dealing with the brightest minds here. It actually does have to do with the event as a whole.
 
But they met in person? Did Kanye change his mind on him?

This reads like blatant racism. The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever is putting this ceremony together understands that Trump's supporters probably aren't Yeezy fans lol
 
You immediately jumping to racism is wildly simplistic and shows a lack of understanding on how events are actually scheduled. Trump Team's PR statement however, is 150% an excuse to explain why the performers are shit.

I'll be too busy in DC protesting though, so doesn't matter to me who they invite...

Why are you assuming Kayne West, or anyone actually WANT to perform at his event? Are you not thinking for one second that maybe people wouldn't perform if they were even paid millions of dollars to? Trump's rhetoric chased off so many people. Everyone probably just declined.

Once again, if Trump's rhetoric chased people off, why should we give his team the benefit of the doubt in this instance?
 
AKA they are afraid that they cannot control him and he goes 'off reservation' during the performance.

A valid concern probably.

That's a valid concern, and one I'd probably keep in mind were I on Trump's team, but they should really think of a better public excuse than one that sounds outright racist as fuck.
 
I'm debating that events like this are not scheduled with racist intent. Do you think all people who work at Fox News are actually all crazy republicans? You'd be surprised to find out how many of them are actually very liberal.

I'm saying that event planners sent out many MANY requests for artists, and nearly all of them, minus a bunch of shitty cover bands, forgettable 90s bands, and John Voigt, all declined the invite.

Trump is a fascist and so are many people he surrounds himself. He ran on bigotry. I've never heard of a white person not bring traditionally American, nor is that common parlance for people.

It's insulting as he is a traditional American in every sense. So you have to then ask, what does a party surrounded by bigotry define traditional American as. Then you have to go with their racist ass track record and find your home there. It's as clear as day, based on precedent.

The orders come from above. Someone made the call that Kanye wasnt, traditionally american, enough to perform.

It's hardly the hill worth dying on here. It's a bigoted party that acts bigoted and has become more emboldened over the years. This isn't a fluke. This was worded exactly how they wanted it to be. It's coded. And folks used to coded insults by bigoted representation know what it means.

If you don't have experience with it, it's fine. But your argument stops with donall trumps historic bigoted attitude, and literal nazi righters he surrounds himself with that have a vision of a whites only world.

You're not right on this one. You can rephrase your point all you want to be hyperbolic and bring fox news into it, but no its just your traditional code word to use for unwanted minorities. It's as American as American pie.

Adults have a myriad of words to choose from the dictionary.

Claiming an American isn't traditionally American is insulting on its own. Now com one that with a literal bigot campaign.
 
Also can't be havin' any of that Jazz or Blues music playing. Which means you can't have any Rock n' Roll playing. Can't be having any of the Classical stuff either, since that was all composed by a bunch of Europeans. No Folk music since most of that was passed down from English, Scottish, and Irish immigrants working in Appalachia.

Traditionally American is the mind boggling thing for me. Traditionally, we copied, modified, and created our 'American' sound by mashing a bunch of stuff together from all the different people that came to this country, and a lot of that was from people who were brought here against their will. To use the term 'Traditionally American' as an excuse for excluding a musician or a type of music is the thing that outright pisses me off.

Yup. And let's not forget Jazz was not regarded well by mainstream America at first. Not until it was colonized.

"Jazz began to get a reputation as being immoral, and many members of the older generations saw it as threatening the old cultural values and promoting the new decadent values of the Roaring 20s. Professor Henry van Dyke of Princeton University wrote: "... it is not music at all. It's merely an irritation of the nerves of hearing, a sensual teasing of the strings of physical passion."[4] The media too began to denigrate jazz. The New York Times used stories and headlines to pick at jazz: Siberian villagers were said by the paper to have used jazz to scare off bears, when in fact they had used pots and pans; another story claimed that the fatal heart attack of a celebrated conductor was caused by jazz."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Age
 
I perfectly understand the optics and I 100% agree with you that it could sound racist and be perceived that way, but I'm trying to explain to some people who don't seem to understand it, that the intentions seem far less nefarious and more of a way to downplay the fact that their event just has a shitty lineup.

It was unconscious bias (racial and cultural) that probably slipped out when the dude was scrambling to make up an excuse on the spot. But just because there was no ill intent doesn't mean those words make black folks and other minorities feel like they don't belong in "Real America". That shit still stings so it's not just meaningless optics. I also think it is a widow into how many Americans view things they deem different as not what believe to be Real America to be inclusive of.
 
Lol these guys are good. they know exactly what they are doing. they know their base hates rap and black people and the wording is basically an affirmation to their base that it's ok to come out and say these racist things.

What a country we live in!
 
His act tends to be outside the range of music you'd expect to be performed at an inauguration.

The spokesperson's words were poorly chosen.
 
Lol these guys are good. they know exactly what they are doing. they know their base hates rap and black people and the wording is basically an affirmation to their base that it's ok to come out and say these racist things.

What a country we live in!

how long until one of them straight up says "Rap? More like cRap! That ain't music." or "They aren't even singing! They're just talking!" on record?
 
It was unconscious bias (racial and cultural) that probably slipped out when the dude was scrambling to make up an excuse on the spot. But just because there was no ill intent doesn't mean those words make black folks and other minorities feel like they don't belong in "Real America". That shit still stings so it's not just meaningless optics. I also think it is a widow into how many Americans view things they deem different as not what believe to be Real America to be inclusive of.

I mean yeah this is probably it.

And the thing is, these things KEEP happening with people around Trump. I don't recall Obama's people having their feet in their mouths all the time. Did it happen with Clinton during her whole campaign. There is a reason. Sometimes they let how they really feel slip out. Whoops.
 
From Obama to no longer being traditional americans in almost the span of a night

I wonder how many times Barack Obama was described as not traditionally American enough to be president. Our next president claimed that Barack wasn't American at all.
 
Imagine the playlist he could have put together:

Black Skinhead
N**** in Paris (maybe remix it to N**** in DC?)
Gold Digger
Power "No one man should have all that power..."
 
In the past couple of months Kanye's managed to get played by Jay-Z, Drake, Cudi and now Trump.

We thought it was his fans who got to hold the L with Life of Pablo's release but it's becoming clear that in spite of his booming bravado on that record, Kanye is the biggest sucker here.
 
I perfectly understand the optics and I 100% agree with you that it could sound racist and be perceived that way, but I'm trying to explain to some people who don't seem to understand it, that the intentions seem far less nefarious and more of a way to downplay the fact that their event just has a shitty lineup.

A huh. Sounds racist, but no go right ahead explaining to people why they shouldn't be outraged at a blatant dog whistle like calling rap not traditionally american music. Oh wait...

Once again, tell me something I don't know about Donald Trump. He's an idiot...everyone agrees. I actually am right. You're just creating a narrative based on conjecture and hearsay, but you're free to do that.
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Take your own advice

You were used Kanye, for a photo op. Don't feel bad, you weren't the first nor will you be the last.
 
And $50 says Kanye continues to slurp on him. Cause he has no dignity.

Seriously though that's... that's barely even a dog whistle. He might has well have said "no darkies".
 
Imagine the playlist he could have put together:

Black Skinhead
N**** in Paris (maybe remix it to N**** in DC?)
Gold Digger
Power "No one man should have all that power..."

woulda been so legit.

Imagine Kanye deciding he needs to stop the music and pontificate.

IMAGINE IT.
 
I perfectly understand the optics and I 100% agree with you that it could sound racist and be perceived that way, but I'm trying to explain to some people who don't seem to understand it, that the intentions seem far less nefarious and more of a way to downplay the fact that their event just has a shitty lineup.



Once again, tell me something I don't know about Donald Trump. He's an idiot...everyone agrees. I actually am right. You're just creating a narrative based on conjecture and hearsay, but you're free to do that.



We're not dealing with the brightest minds here. It actually does have to do with the event as a whole.

Conjecture? No. There isn't incomplete information. Trump is a party of bigotry.

Heresay. No, we have direct quotes and actions.

I agree. I'm free to know that racists use code language and dog whistles to pretend people aren't really americans. And that's what these people, who have a documented history of doing so, have made the call for pr to act on.

counselor.
 
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