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Kanye West Splits From Jay Z's Tidal (Tidal To Sue Kanye For Breach Of Contract)
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It's also the best thing Paul has ever done in his career. His entire life led up to that moment.
Frustrated_me
Member
I love vintage Kanye but Pablo and the other recent shit he's done is garbage tier.
Recent as in Yeezus? MBDTF?
Bounceounce
Member
People forget that I love Kanye/his music as much as Jay's.
I agree. MBDTF was pretty god damn great I thought. I really enjoyed 808s oh well, and even if it wasn't a classic, you can't deny that it influenced the whole hip hop industry.
Bounceounce
Member
Yeezus tied for number one Kanye album with 808s and MBDTF, and TLOP is better than Graduation.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Modern day Paul McCartney is not cool.
Frustrated_me
Member
MBDTF is a classic and the last good thing Kanye has done. Yeezus equally as trash as Pablo.
I don't like either of his latest albums but Blood on the Leaves off Yeezus is too fire.
Fuck this is gonna be Kanye rankings ain't it?
Yup always is lol it's fun to watch though!
Ristifer
Member
Was just a matter of time...
Kanye stopped making classics after MBDTF. Now he just makes piecemeal albums with a significant lack of cohesion.
This album is arguably his magnum opus from inception to release.
Stabby McSter
Member
yeezus is great tlop is trash
How did 808s influence hip hop?
Late Registration
808s
MBDTF
TLOP
College Dropout
Yeezus
Graduation (Drunk amd Hot girls...blech)
And none of these are bad albums
Drake, J Cole, Gambino, just a few names who's style or in Gambino's case, past style, was HEAVILY influenced by the sound of 808s and the themes
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Drake made a career from 808s
He still on that nonsense? Funny thing is he could totally have a successful clothing line by just doing his own thing
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
MBDTF is a classic and the last great thing Wr. West has put out. 808 felt like he was happy that 3000 made The Love Below (the most influential rap album of the last 2 decades) and artist in the genre could move in bold new ways. I spoke on TLOP already and Yeezus...I did not understand Yeezus at all. I felt like the genre had past me by. I kept making that face that people make when they try to read fast food menus without their glasses.
I am not an island? Lets build a fort!
Yeezus is like Yamcha!
Yeezus is like laser focused in terms of cohesion compared to the sprawl of MBDTF tho.
Angelus Errare
Banned
You mean Dame? Remember, Jay wasn't feeling Ye and didn't want to sign him, in any capacity. Dame ignored Jay and signed Ye anyway saying if he flops he can be Roc's producer at the very least. Despite that, when Jay and Dame broke up Ye went with Jay.
Bounceounce
Member
Biggs (the third founder) was the one who put his weight behind Kanye, even Dame says so.
Also Jay put Kanye on by virtue of using his production, giving him a feature spot on TBP2, and by creating The Roc which Kanye carried on the legacy of to boths benefits.
Ristifer
Member
Ehh, I don't really see it that way. Yeezus is mostly great until the halfway mark. Then it takes a shit. If Blood On The Leaves wasn't in the second half of the album, I'd never listen beyond the first half. Songs like Guilt Trip and Bound 2 are absolute turds in comparison with the first half gems like On Sight or I Am A God.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Ya'll gotta put some speck on The Love Below's name
Petty much this but I keep College Dropout, Late Registration, and that glorious MBDTF (Album get's me going somedays! Great Energy!) in rotation still with Grad, 808, Yeezus/ TLOP much less.
So:
TCD - Mayonnaise colored benz, we push miracle whips!
LR - We Major!
MBDTF - This album is a sonic journey imo
GRAD - Champion is sucha fun song!
808 /YEEZUS /TLOP - These albums flow in and out of contention depending on how I'm feeling lol!
Only stans believe this.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Pablo a classic is maximum stannery, but ignoring that it's pretty much true.
Well, ok, but you said cohesion. As far as production and cohesive flow goes, outside of bound 2, the album definitely is better at those than MBDTF.
I think MBDTF is a better record too, it's just a sprawl that would benefit from some editing. Album has some dreadful guest spots (JAY being the worst) and interludes and outros that hurt it after multiple plays.
I don't particularly like either guy, buy Jay is definitely the better rapper of the two.
I'd set the odds at like -1500 for Jay on that one.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I actually think Paul Wall had the best verse, I get flak for that sometimes, but his style perfectly suited that beat. LR is the perfect combo of lyrical Kanye and excellent production. MBDTF is the closet body of work that resembles that while Graduation is a collection of Kanye's best beats imo
Puck Beaverton
Banned
It's a good comparison because Ye is McGregor in that situation.
If you say so. J. Cole has always been rapping like he was on some backpacker, women respect yourself, stuff. The warm-up came out like 7 months after 808s so I doubt it had any big influence on that or anything thereafter. Drake had a pretty established style in mixtapes before 808 came out. I don't follow Gambino outside of select songs. Haven't listened to an entire album beginning to end so maybe you're right on that account but I doubt it.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I don't know man, WTT and Run This Town Kanye stole the show. I'd say in terms of lyrical ability they're neck-in-neck
CassidyIzABeast
Member
For comparison sake
Now if I fuck this model
And she just bleached her asshole
And I get bleach on my T-shirt
I'ma feel like an asshole
Probably true overall. I just like Ye's cadence on those first few bars. Paul Wall mercs the song though I think his drawl just rode the beat so well.
Yeah the pen game went from Cross to BIC. I might usually play TLOP before I leave the house for a night out to turn up. Typically with intentions of meeting a model with a bleached asshole.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
I'm not a big Paul Wall guy but he's so fucking good on Drive Slow. Whew.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Lmao, I don't know what happened man. It's like he became so self obsessed that he said fuck even writing anything worth buying.
Yeah. This is such a sensitive topic on TLOP lyrically is did not show growth like his first few albums you could see the grown in tandem with production. On TLOP the beats would throw up an oop' but the lyrics would often miss the dunk. Just my opinion.
He literally said 808s inspired him but okay lol
Drake's popularity came after 808s for a reason
Jermaine's popularity the same
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Shit, you aren't lying. Idk, I hated Yeezus but listening to TLoP made me like it more. Damn Kanye, just release Good Ass Job and call it a day. I really like the theme he had going back then because it was pertinent to my life but the man has lost his mind. His antics and behavior towards people who respect him made me dislike him and his music.
Just to add Drake's style on Room for Improvement and Comeback Season are far removed from what he's on now. I loved Comeback Season and you can see the backpack, semi-conscious rap trappings but he's no longer like that. If we're talking about singing and shit in your songs then yes, I definitely agree that 808's heavily inspired who he is including and post So Far Gone.