Kaz Hirai: "PS4 hardware is already profitable"

They are videogames on x86 hardware, sounds PC-esque to me. :p

I am trying to expose the hilarity of having console cycles, a remnant of the 80's in 2014. All companies should be trying to phase this shit out and release their games on personal computing devices. Having closed environments, companies spending billions on R&D when Intel/Nvidia/AMD can do it for them, stifling competition by making games platform exclusive is ignorant and asinine. It's holding back gaming in general, and this news is depressing overall since it means this crap is more likely to continue.

Holding gaming back? How many people do you know that would prefer to spend $1000+ to play the same games they can on a $400 box at ease?
 
I need to lie more often, stating the truth sure gets people up in arms. I apologize. You can get back to discussing the further stifling of competition thanks to closed systems and ancient DRM schemes. Peace.
 
I need to lie more often, stating the truth sure gets people up in arms. I apologize. You can get back to discussing the further stifling of competition thanks to closed systems and ancient DRM schemes. Peace.

It's almost like he know what would happen next...

At least he won't have to suffer from those terrible, evil consoles anymore.
 
What's with all the insecurity from pc users?

Not really following the thread but read a couple of posts, why say insecurity when they are basically sharing their opinion? You don't agreeing doesn't mean they are insecure.


On topic though, not surprising, the hardware was kinda of bad/irrelevant when the console came out (compared to other generations), so it's nice that they can finally sell at a profit. I usually own two consoles per generation and am expecting to own a PS4 (already have a PC and a Wii U) but I do hope that this generation is shorter because this goddamn hardware is already past its expiration date.
 
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Your username is fitting. I don't see you sticking around for long.
 
Why are people shitting up this thread with discussion on PC vs consoles? The PS4 is profitable for Sony and that is great! It's not like that is hurting PC dedicated players.
 
Playstation as a brand is doing just fine. I am positive that the great hardware sales will translate to great exclusives games in the following years.
 
Why are people shitting up this thread with discussion on PC vs consoles? The PS4 is profitable for Sony and that is great! It's not like that is hurting PC dedicated players.

Well according to others here PC gamers need to justify their spending 3x-5x more than a PS4 or XB1 just for slightly prettier graphics.
 
Happy for them. PS4 succeeded, because it didnt penny pinch people.

Advice:
- Never, ever do what you did with Vita. Propriety cards, cables, interfaces... Especially the Vita2000 could have been a success if it was based on SD card.
- Allow previously bought PSP, PS3, PS1 games on PSNow. Dont ask people to buy games twice once on PSN and other time on PSNow.
- Don't ruin PS+.
 
Not really following the thread but read a couple of posts, why say insecurity when they are basically sharing their opinion? You don't agreeing doesn't mean they are insecure.


On topic though, not surprising, the hardware was kinda of bad/irrelevant when the console came out (compared to other generations), so it's nice that they can finally sell at a profit. I usually own two consoles per generation and am expecting to own a PS4 (already have a PC and a Wii U) but I do hope that this generation is shorter because this goddamn hardware is already past its expiration date.

You're kidding right??????

The thread man.........THE thread.
 
Well according to others here PC gamers need to justify their spending 3x-5x more than a PS4 or XB1 just for slightly prettier graphics.
We should want everyone to be profitable in this industry. Be it Sony, Microsoft or the various PC vendors. Hell I hope Nintendo turns it around for the Wii U.
 
And thats why this generation will last 5 years tops!

Thats a good thing btw.

i wouldnt be surprised if this generation the Gaming PCs are supplanted by Steam machines and Xbox 3 and PS 5 replace PC's as upgradeable machines with a 10 year cycles where games will be built for these closed machines (like Apple Macs) which will be upgradeable every year but the older games will keep on working on the updated hardware, the older games will not get any enhancement as they will have a locked in performance UNLESS the game is patched to use the upgrades. These consoles will have slots to put your CPU and GPU combos and only the Motherboard will be the piece of hardware which will remain constant over the 10 years
 
Posted? He went further, apparently, saying that 'it's likely' PS4 will exceed the profits generated by PS2:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-22-sony-ps4-likely-to-exceed-profits-earned-from-ps2

Here's the direct quote, translated for Eurogamer by Digital Foundry contributor John Linneman.

"It is likely that PS4 will become the platform which exceeds the profits earned with PS2."

Before the quote, there is a line not in quotes, which specifies strong sales and network services as a driving factor.

I suppose if things keep up the way they have been it's possible...but that still seems a tall order.
 
Honestly? I'd argue that they did harm the industry (for consumers, at least) in popularising paying a subscription for online play and popularising DLC (although the latter probably would have happened without Microsoft's involvement).

They didn't harm it for consumers. We had the choice to stick with two companies that weren't charging for online and we chose not to. At the same time...those other two started late in creating an online infrastructure (even though Sony eventually caught up).

So blame the consumer for popularizing paying for a subscription....something that has forced Sony's hand this gen to charge themselves. Microsoft didn't force anyone and quite frankly they could've failed since they were the only ones doing so.

Microsoft popularized DLC as much as the major publishers did. This is a business....since gaming went online businessmen were going to find different ways to monetize gaming.

If Sega had succeeded with the Dreamcast and its early online efforts...do you not think their next console would have introduced some of the same results as Microsoft?
 
They didn't harm it for consumers. We had the choice to stick with two companies that weren't charging for online and we chose not to. At the same time...those other two started late in creating an online infrastructure (even though Sony eventually caught up).

So blame the consumer for popularizing paying for a subscription....something that has forced Sony's hand this gen to charge themselves. Microsoft didn't force anyone and quite frankly they could've failed since they were the only ones doing so.

Microsoft popularized DLC as much as the major publishers did. This is a business....since gaming went online businessmen were going to find different ways to monetize gaming.

If Sega had succeeded with the Dreamcast and its early online efforts...do you not think their next console would have introduced some of the same results as Microsoft?

Huh, blaming the consumer. Sounds like Microsoft, during their u-turns...
 
They are videogames on x86 hardware, sounds PC-esque to me. :p

I am trying to expose the hilarity of having console cycles, a remnant of the 80's in 2014. All companies should be trying to phase this shit out and release their games on personal computing devices. Having closed environments, companies spending billions on R&D when Intel/Nvidia/AMD can do it for them, stifling competition by making games platform exclusive is ignorant and asinine. It's holding back gaming in general, and this news is depressing overall since it means this crap is more likely to continue.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are 1st party publishers because they want you to invest in their ecosystem i.e. the Xbox One, Playstation 4, and Wii U. They get a percentage of sales from movies, downloadable games, DLC, subscriptions, F2P games, accessories, etc. on top of the sales they get from hardware, licensing fees for 3rd party games, and sales from 1st party retail software.

It's great to have software come to the PC, but consoles are still the preferred platform for many people.
 
I'm sorry, but this whole notion that all of the sudden consoles are just "weak PCs" is bullshit. The idea that consoles have all of the sudden just become PCs is flawed.

The PS3 was more like a PC than the PS4 has ever attempted to be. The architecture inside is rather irrelevant because that's not something you experience. If you didn't actively know the specs inside of the PS4, you would have no idea if the machine was entirely custom built or had parts resembling current off the shelf parts. That is, unless you develop for the system.

The PS3 was far more of a wannabe PC than the PS4 ever was. From launch, the system had every single type of memory slot available. This was only replicated by the PC.
It was touted as a media machine which tried to rival the capabilities of a PC by playing video, displaying pictures, browsing the web, streaming media, playing music and video, too.
You could hook up your printer to the system, too.
Also, back in 2006 and 2007, Sony was actively talking about the ability to mod your games and use KB/M for controls. Both of these were featured in UT3 for PS3 and the desire caught on. People thought it was huge that the PS3 had these capabilities. So Sony at least dabbled into modding and KB/M controls.

Also, the PS3 had linux support. Another PC feature.

I see the PS4 getting a lot of shit for being a "wannabe weak PC" but the PS3 was far more guilty. The only difference really is that it had the cell processor which was custom and unique and not used in PC's. The PS3 also pretty much shared cross platform ports with the PC all generation, too.

But some people are acting like all of the sudden consoles have become nothing but weak PCs.

They are videogames on x86 hardware, sounds PC-esque to me. :p

I am trying to expose the hilarity of having console cycles, a remnant of the 80's in 2014. All companies should be trying to phase this shit out and release their games on personal computing devices. Having closed environments, companies spending billions on R&D when Intel/Nvidia/AMD can do it for them, stifling competition by making games platform exclusive is ignorant and asinine. It's holding back gaming in general, and this news is depressing overall since it means this crap is more likely to continue.

You are operating under the assumption that if consoles were just killed off, the market will all in mass just go and purchase gaming PCs and put them in their living room.

In reality, they won't. The gaming market will shrink as the accessibility and convenience factor of a console will no longer exist. You know what really holds gaming back? Trying to appeal to a small audience. Not saying that the PC audience is smaller, but if a game like Call of Duty releases and its only on PC because consoles no longer exist, the game is not going to sell 10+ million copies.
 
Why are people shitting up this thread with discussion on PC vs consoles? The PS4 is profitable for Sony and that is great! It's not like that is hurting PC dedicated players.

There are a number of PC gamers who feel that consoles do hurt them by making it so it's uneconomical for devs to push hardware more.

Now arguably you could say that was the case last gen since it went on for so long, but under a more typical 4-5 year lifecycle I don't find the argument very credible given how few mid-range and above GPUs are sold compared to the entire market.
 
PS4 - The first console I have no regrets whatsoever about buying at launch. It's already a perfect form factor, there was plenty to play, no price cuts on the horizon.... just a flawless launch, really.

I'm happy with it, Sony's happy with it, everyone's happy*. In an industry that can be a bit negative it's a damn good feeling.

*The japanese public are apparently not happy.
 
I just hope Sony's moderate/conservative approach with the PS4 isn't the route they take with future consoles. After Sony dominates this generation I believe they will be a bit more daring with PS5.
 
I'm on mobile so can't oblige but Google bf4 ultra settings 1440p and there you go. It's starkly superior. I was so shocked by the difference I returned bf4 two days after I bought it for ps4.

Realize that one, BF4 is not an advanced engine nor is it optimized for any console and two, just cause you can render last gen games at higher resolution doesn't mean your Rig is all powerful or PS4 is weak. Games now-a-days use different texturing techniques, techniques that are much more complicated than last gen games (Material Mapping vs Normal Mapping). Keep in mind that almost all games on the PS4 uses this technique which is taxing.
 
For some of the more finance oriented posters, can sony's entertainment division pull the company out of red in the forseeable future?
 
Posted? He went further, apparently, saying that 'it's likely' PS4 will exceed the profits generated by PS2:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-22-sony-ps4-likely-to-exceed-profits-earned-from-ps2



I suppose if things keep up the way they have been it's possible...but that still seems a tall order.

What kind of profits overall did the PS2 produce for Sony? I mean if they are profitable now that's pretty impressive considering the PS2 took a while before it wasn't selling for a loss or am I incorrect with that? Not sure
 
why would DDR3 go up in price
Shrinking production volumes, manufacturers dropping out entirely in favour of "hotter" products, and then, in absence of competition, the inevitable price gouging on those few customers who still absolutely need it. It happened before. Look up some current prices for DDR2 PC memory for a great example.
 
So we didn't have the choice to not buy Live or DLC? Huh, blaming the business. Sounds like consumers, during forever.

Usually if I don't like something...I don't get it. Simple.

It's not news that a large number of people will engage in activities contrary to their long-term (or even short-term) well-being, especially if enough marketing and repetition is used. The 'just don't buy it' bit is BS too, because you can't control the choices of millions of other people even if it is damaging for you and them both.

I don't think that absolves Microsoft from responsibility for that or any of their other consumer hostile practices.

I just hope Sony's moderate/conservative approach with the PS4 isn't the route they take with future consoles. After Sony dominates this generation I believe they will be a bit more daring with PS5.

I'm not sure what people are expecting when they say Sony should be more daring. From my perspective as a techie and amateur hardware enthusiast what they've got under the hood in the PS4 may not have a ton of raw power, but a number of their choices (and HSA support) could very well be a BFD in a few years.

They're not exactly being overly conservative on the software side either with PS Now and Project Morpheus.
 
For some of the more finance oriented posters, can sony's entertainment division pull the company out of red in the forseeable future?

Obviously not but with all the other changes going with the company I would like to be hopeful. Not that I'm finance oriented at all :P

Good for Sony. They obviously did a lot of things right with PS4.
 
why would DDR3 go up in price

Tech evolves, demand goes down, since they're producing less units price per unit increases (producing 100.000 units is cheaper than 1.000).

At the same time shit that is expensive right now will get cheaper as it reaches mainstream success.
 
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