I love this, as it's a pretty significant "gateway" issue for younger voters (in the general) who see this as one of the basic civil rights issues of their time. They may agree with the GOP on multiple other bulletpoints, but they're not willing to, say, sell their gay friends/family's humanity up the river for hopes of a tax cut, allegedly smaller government (yeah, right), or promises of budget discipline (*guffaw*!)
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Kentucky clerk Kim Davis denies same-sex marriage license again, despite end of stay
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how about Kentucky cunt dump?
As mentioned before, Ashland, where Davis will be in Federal court today, is my hometown. As such, a bunch of friends have been posting pictures of the "protests" happening in front of the court house.
I'll post some more strange ones if I run across them. I have lots of friends that will be observing this today.
Appalachian as hell Jesus-man
Same dude praying for... something... I dunno.... (my friend said he's been there for hours, mumbling incoherently and screaming)
Uhhhh..
A proud warrior in God's army...
Some bad Kim Davis cosplay...
I'll post some more strange ones if I run across them. I have lots of friends that will be observing this today.
That second one almost made me spit out my coffee.
benjipwns
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This is one of those protest signs that you always see that are:
1. Way too long to be read in any clear manner by a protest passer-by
b. When you do read them they start off alright and you're like "yeah, okay, I see what they're saying" and then suddenly "what in the fuck am I reading?"
Wish I could find this anti-Iraq one from like a decade ago that started off about how it's a war based on lies, for oil, etc. and then next thing you know it's about the Jewish bankers defying buddha by spreading the chemtrails and Alderman Johnson is a jerk who wouldn't grant my fence permit.
You mean that last picture isn't of Mrs. Carmody from The Mist?
A closer look at the legal group defending clerk Kim Davis' stand against gay marriage
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/usa-gaymarriage-kentucky-lawyers-idUSL1N1182NY20150903
Well at least court will be entertaining.
Hopefully her yearly salary gets lowered each passing day and the money gets donated to a battered women shelter. Or give it to her church.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/usa-gaymarriage-kentucky-lawyers-idUSL1N1182NY20150903
Well at least court will be entertaining.
Hopefully her yearly salary gets lowered each passing day and the money gets donated to a battered women shelter. Or give it to her church.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I knew that the sons of patriots are involved somehow.
Best Nintendo Fan Ever
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Why aren't these 'christians' attacking the woman with two divorces?
Not the one I was thinking of but lol:
that is some impressive math.
Sir Abacus
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In their wildest dreams.
There's no injury-in-fact, no standing, no original jurisdiction with the Supreme Court. Who the hell would they sue as the defendant? United States v. ? United States? Supreme Court? Would they pass a new DOMA to force a new showdown? With 40 democratic members in the Senate that ain't going far.
That being said, if I was a conservative president, didn't give a shit about the rule of law, didn't care about blowback from the liberal parts of the country I'd do the following (assuming I have majorities in both houses):
1) I'd immediately have congress pass a law expanding the Supreme Court to 15 justices.
1b) I'd have Hatch exercise the nuclear option to push it through the Senate.
2) I'd nominate anti-gay, ultra-conservative justices to pack the Supreme Court
3) Pass a new DOMA.
4) Wait for some gay couple to sue.
5) Watch as the shit hits the fan and Obergefell is overturned.
In all practicality, this is settled law. There's no "revisiting" a supreme court decision without a controversy. To show a controversy you need to show harm. Thinking that gays are icky and that god hates them getting married is not harm.
Random Painted HIghway
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Born agains are always the craziest.
While a long drawn out farce would be entertaining to watch, it's more important that gay people not be discriminated against as soon as possible.
fair
Could you post a link?
Chmpocalypse
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You know the old saying - there's a sucker born (again) every minute.
OriginofHysteria
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I really hope the attorneys grill her on this.
Fenderputty
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So much denim in that picture.
LegendofJoe
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The New Testament also frowns on passing judgement down on other people. But then again this woman is an uneducated yokel so we shouldn't expect her to have the attention span to actually read the Bible.
I really hope they don't. She cannot be fought on the basis of hypocrisy in her beliefs, as she just claims she has sinned but has sought forgiveness from God for them. It is a trap to try to attack her on that front. She cannot be shamed, and she will not admit wrongdoing, because she can rationalize it with her beliefs no matter what is pointed out about her life.
Her beliefs are simply irrelevant to the legal discussion. They are no defense to her not doing her job, following the law, and not following court orders. It doesn't matter if she believes she is following the orders of God, Xenu, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
No need, and I don't even think it's really applicable here. She shouldn't be on trial for how good or bad a Christian she is, she should be on trial for failing to fulfill her duties in support of the laws of the United States of America. That's pretty much an open and shut case.
Yeah, it's amusing that she's a hypocrite but it's not why we're here. I'm much more upset about her misusing a government seat to act as an agent of her church.
newshinycd
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Yep. When I was a kid, I used to attend an Apostolic church with my grandparents. They are essentially Pentecostals, but tend to be more extreme. Women are only allowed to wear dresses/skirts. Men couldn't have long hair. Make-up, tattoos, and piercings (for men at least) were frowned upon. Music that was basically anything other than gospel was essentially devil worship (this included bands like Demon Hunter and Pillar).
Shits fuckin' crazy.
Random Painted HIghway
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This isn't a state court or judge Judy, federal judges are not going to put up with that line of questioning.
PumpkinSpice
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Last time someone tried this it didn't go well. Even though it's technically under congress' control to define the size of the supreme court, everyone is aware that packing the supreme court by expanding it opens up a world of control for the president that nobody in congress ever wants to allow, even if it's for their own party.
If Republicans had a filibuster proof majority in both houses and really wanted to do this, they would wait for a far more important topic than gay marriage. Maybe abortion.
TheOohChild
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Something stupid about how she has repented for her failed marriages, but homosexuals don't repent for being gay, and it makes Jesus cry.
newshinycd
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Not sure. However, the hearing doesn't start until 11am:
https://ecf.kyed.uscourts.gov/calvi.../03/2015&type=&judge=13&location=&src=reports
one of my friends is probably going to live tweet the event, i'll see if she's ok w/ posting her twitter when she gets there.
Sir Abacus
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Yeah it didn't really work for FDR. i'm not saying it's wise. I'm saying it's possible. And if you're determined to fight dirty no option is out of the question even if it's naked power grabbing that will set you up for generations.
Me too!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
i'm not sure it's a great injustice that, like, you might have to wait until the end of a hearing to find out the employment status of a county clerk.
Pilgrimzero
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I'm surprised its taken 19 minutes.
Judge: "Are you paid to be a clergyman and judge your fellow man? Or are you paid to hand out a marriage license as defined by the state? If your answer is anything but the second option you either need to quit or you are in contempt."
Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...arriage-licenses-but-are-too-afraid-of-davis/
Oh come on now. The stakes of this hearing are a lot higher than that.
Kim Davis isn't the only clerk doing this, there are actually a lot of them, it's just she's the most visible because she was caught on camera and also looks the part.
The precedent set by this is going to be significant.
Well this is interesting:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...marriage-license-transgender-couple/71634646/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...marriage-license-transgender-couple/71634646/
RPGCrazied
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These over religious people scare me, she really needs to be replaced.
Fenderputty
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This was known though. At least I"m pretty sure I've read this before.
Zoe
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It has been known. And I wouldn't say it's another example of hypocrisy either--if she had known you can be sure she wouldn't have done it.
Fenderputty
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BrokenIcarus
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God, I hope she gets some serious jail time. What a stupid bigot.
Needs to be massive incrementing fines for each day of non compliance
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