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[mattx5]

That would be a horrible cut, it would completely destroy the flow of the film.

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All of a sudden it would be like

Yoda: "Oh, I talked to Qui Gon before, and he told me about the true nature of the Force"

Obi Wan: "Sweet deal"

Audience: *blink* Whaa?

You can't just

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reintroduce a DEAD character

like that out of the blue. I mean

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it's not like he died in ROTS. He died in TPM, and then a WHOLE movie passed and people forgot about him, figuring he just had a minor role to play

*shakes head*

 

[SteveMeister]

Oh my gawd, :lol , Leia would have to be the dumbest broad on the galaxy to not figure out that if Darth Vader is her real father then Luke is asking about her real mother.

Oh my gawd, :lol , you don't really remember the sequence of Luke's questions, do you?

Here's the scene:
LUKE
Leia... do you remember your mother? Your
real mother?

LEIA
Just a little bit. She died when I was very
young.

LUKE
What do you remember?

LEIA
Just...images, really. Feelings.

LUKE
Tell me.

LEIA
(a little surprised at his insistence)
She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad.
(looks up) Why are you asking me all this?

He looks away.

LUKE
I have no memory of my mother. I never knew
her.

Then, Luke tells Leia that Vader is his father, which Leia didn't know.

Then, Luke tells Leia that she is his sister, which she reponds to by saying that somehow, she's always known that.

So Leia didn't know that Vader was her father when Luke asked her about her mother, her real mother.

 

[soundwave05]

So she knows she's adopted and had a real mother, which is whom Luke is asking about.

I mean if you ask someone who their father is, their *real* father, if they don't know they're adopted, they're going to say "what are you talking about?".

Lets face it, George writes this stuff as he goes along, and that's really stretching it to make it fit, obviously the scene is written to reference the birth mother, who in 1982 or whenever Lucas was writing ROTJ was just a vague notion, so he went with it.

I don't even have a problem with these kinds of inconsistencies even though I know they'll drive hardcore Star Wars fans insane, I found it more funny than anything though that Lucas could have easily tied a lot of these loose ends up definitively, but chose not to. I almost think he does this stuff on purpose to ruffle some feathers.

Because you know a lot of the hype around Episode III is that it would tie up all the loose ends -- well it doesn't really, but that really is the least of the potential problems the movie could have.

The core thing I'm worried about after reading the script is how and why Anakin turns to the Dark Side. Not that it's a bad idea per se, but it just seems very

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abrupt

 

[acidviper]

The fact that he enjoyed the first 2 starwars movies and thought the love story in AOTC was great acting and writing sort of makes his opinion worthless.

He has to suck Lucas' dick so that he will let him put Ben Aflleck in his Star Wars TV show. But everyone knows what to expect seeing Lucas fuck around with I and II. I also did not like the quote where Lucas forced himself to write 5 pages a day to get the script done. Jeez every other fanboy would give his left nut to rewrite the prequels.

 

[soundwave05]

Ben Affleck in a Star Wars TV show ... well, he couldn't be worse than Hayden ... could he?

No offense to Hayden. He just maybe needs to stop trying so damn hard.

Writing five pages of script a day (usable script) is actually pretty tough, but Lucas' comments are not surprising, he's always said he's always hated the writing process and during the American Zoetrope days, his buddy Francis Ford Coppolla would have to nudge Lucas to write.

And sure it'd be fun to generate ideas for a Star Wars movie or perhaps point out some areas where things could be changed, but the actual nuts n' bolts of writing in a lot of cases is not fun.

 

[Bigfoot]

Greivous is more of a cyborg. He has a human heart, IIRC.

He has more than just a heart, and he wasn't human, just some sort of alien race. Think of him as the Star-Wars version of Robocop.

http://www.generalgrievous.net/

Full Name: General Grievous Shakar
Home World: Kalee
Species: 5% Omix-patra (Mainly brain, eyes and nervous system)
Droid: 95% Hybrid Cyborg
Gender: Male

 

[soundwave05]

He has more than just a heart, and he wasn't human, just some sort of alien race. Think of him as the Star-Wars version of Robocop.

I fucking love this guy!

 

[golem]

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what is qui-gon suppose to say in his bit with yoda

?

 

[jett]

I also did not like the quote where Lucas forced himself to write 5 pages a day to get the script done.

I'm not one to defend George Lucas, but that's how professional writers work. Then again, I'd hardly call Lucas a "professional writer".

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, only five pages a day??

That's a vacation for most scriptwriters.

 

[soundwave05]

Well most scriptwriters don't get their scripts made.

And 5 pages of usable script per day is pretty friggin' good.

That's a feature length script in under a month (or at least a draft of one).

 

[Iceman]

I always figured a page equated to about a minute of screentime. That'd be 1 and a half to 2 months for a feature length. (at 5 pages/day)

But I've heard of instances of writers coming up with 30+ pages in a single day.

 

[soundwave05]

I always figured a page equated to about a minute of screentime. That'd be 1 and a half to 2 months for a feature length.

But I've heard of instances of writers coming up with 30+ pages in a single day.

30 pages in a day? :lol

Are you sure you're not thinking of a novel?

And yeah, if you can write a feature film script in 1-2 months, that's impressive.

 

[Iceman]

This is an example of a single script page for the movie "crash":

"4 CONTINUED: 4
FARHAD
(in Farsi)
You don't use that tone of voice
with me.

DIRK
Yo, Osama, plan the Jihad on your
own time; what do you want?

FARHAD
(in Farsi)
What is he saying about Jihad?
(to Dirk, in English
Are you making insults at me?

DIRK
Am I making insults at you?? That's
the closest you get to English?

FARHAD
I am American citizen--!

DIRK
(here it comes)
--Oh, God.

FARHAD
--I have rights like you! I have
right to buy gun!

Dirk pulls the gun back to his side of the counter.

DIRK
Not from my store, you don't.

Dirk nods toward the Security Guard, who heads this way.

Dorri sees him coming.

DORRI
Go wait in the car, Dad.

FARHAD
(to Dirk)
You are ignorant man!

DIRK
Yeah, I'm ignorant; you're liberating
my country and I'm flying 747s into
your mud huts and incinerating your
friends. Get the fuck out of my
store.
(CONTINUED)"

 

[Triumph]

For those that have intimate knowledge of the film(ie have read the script), answer me this at least: Do we get to see Jar-Jar die? A slow, horrible, painful death that I can sit back and enjoy? And then does Lucas pop up after the credits and apologize for the crap that I had to sit through to enjoy one(supposedly, anyhow) decent flick?

 

[soundwave05]

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Jar-Jar does not die. In fact I believe the one little scene he had has been cut out of the film.

 

[ManaByte]

It's kind of hard to do the

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Qui-Gon

scene if

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Liam

refuses to record the dialog...

 

[Saki]

It's kind of hard to do the

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Qui-Gon

scene if

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Liam

refuses to record the dialog...

Goddam you are stupid.
You know this right?

 

[ManaByte]

From what's written in the script ...

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There's no clear reason for Leia to remember her mother any more than Luke. Infact as written in the script, Padme actually touches Luke first. That line may have made sense if Leia is given birth to, but Padme dies in the process of giving birth to Luke, but for whatever reason its not written that way.


Also, why Luke says that line about Dagobah feeling "familiar" is totally pointless in ESB, because there is no scene where Obi-Wan drops off Yoda at Dagobah and thus maybe baby Luke would have been there, as most people would have expected.

If Lucas has cut the

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Qui-Gon scene

all I gotta say is -- WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, GEORGE!!!!

Argh, I know people complained the ROTK ending was too long, but this is ridiculous. We need to see that moment, it can't be just a "oh and by the way ..." type thing. *Show* don't tell, I mean cripes, isn't that taught in like the very first screenwriting class (even at USC?).

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Luke is born with his eyes closed and never looks at Padme. Leia on the other hand is held up to Padme and she looks at her.

 

[ManaByte]

Goddam you are stupid.
You know this right?

I just got back from the Mallrats reunion Q&A with Kevin Smith and after the Q&A a friend asked him about the scene and he only mentioned Yoda talking to Obi-Wan about him.

We're still waiting on a more clear answer over on the viewaskew boards.

 

[ManaByte]

For those that have intimate knowledge of the film(ie have read the script), answer me this at least: Do we get to see Jar-Jar die? A slow, horrible, painful death that I can sit back and enjoy? And then does Lucas pop up after the credits and apologize for the crap that I had to sit through to enjoy one(supposedly, anyhow) decent flick?

That was done by one of the Droid Builders at Celebration III. Lucas, McCallum, and Don Bies (the Droid Wrangler for the movies), visited the Droid Builders to look at their R2 units and Lucas commented to McCallum how the Droid Builders could build them cheaper than they could for the movie (after either Bies or McCallum commented that's where they could get droids for the TV series).

Anyways, when Lucas got to the Jar Jar in Carbonite, he loved it. He laughed and had his assistant take a picture of him standing next to it.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Jinn's in according to USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-04-27-liam-neeson_x.htm

 

[Apharmd Battler]

3 more weeks!!1 AARRRGH!!!!

 

[Apharmd Battler]

That was done by one of the Droid Builders at Celebration III. Lucas, McCallum, and Don Bies (the Droid Wrangler for the movies), visited the Droid Builders to look at their R2 units and Lucas commented to McCallum how the Droid Builders could build them cheaper than they could for the movie (after either Bies or McCallum commented that's where they could get droids for the TV series).

Anyways, when Lucas got to the Jar Jar in Carbonite, he loved it. He laughed and had his assistant take a picture of him standing next to it.

I grabbed a pic of that as well when I was at StarWars Celebration 3 last weekend:

http://home.comcast.net/~djoiner4/StarWarCeleb3/index.htm

 

[SteveMeister]

3 more weeks!!1 AARRRGH!!!!

Three? Oh, that's right -- most people aren't going to see it on the 12th at a charity screening.

 

[borghe]

so is qui-gonn in or not?

I also think it is safe to say dagobah is definitely gone for good (well, at least until the DVD). The last song doesn't have any place in it for dagobah.

hopefully it will be back for the DVD.

 

[ManaByte]

so is qui-gonn in or not?

Still waiting on final confirmation. A couple people have asked Kevin about it on his forum but he hasn't made any more ROTS posts yet.

I also think it is safe to say dagobah is definitely gone for good (well, at least until the DVD). The last song doesn't have any place in it for dagobah.

hopefully it will be back for the DVD.

There is over an hour of music not on the soundtrack CD...

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...and Dagobah takes place before the baby Leia and Luke scenes that the end credits track begins with.

 

[borghe]

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...and Dagobah takes place before the baby Leia and Luke scenes that the end credits track begins with.

doh.. I knew that and should have said listening to the end of the second to last and final tracks there doesn't seem to be anything in there. there isn't anything in the funeral track and nothing in the last track.

though the hour of score is true.. we'll have to see I guess.. hopefully.

 

[ManaByte]

I grabbed a pic of that as well when I was at StarWars Celebration 3 last weekend:

http://home.comcast.net/~djoiner4/StarWarCeleb3/index.htm

The cool thing is Lucas never comments on stuff like that. He's usually really quiet. He LOVED the Jar Jar and Don Bies told the Doid Builders that when they were walking to the car to the airport (Lucas went directly from there to a Nascar race where they were debuting the Dark Side M&Ms car) that he couldn't stop talking about how great the Droid Builders R2 units were.

I really think they may be getting some work from LFL as Lucasfilm tends to do that. There's a guy who made a perfect Chewie costume and is the same height as Peter Mayhew and LFL hired him to be one of their official Chewbaccas for commercial purposes and appearances. He can even make the Wookiee sounds on his own. Peter Mayhew can't even do that.

 

[mattx5]

what is

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qui-gon

suppose to say in his bit with yoda?

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222 INT. POLIS MASSA-OBSERVATION DOME-NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

BAIL ORGANA: Excuse me, Master Yoda. Obi-Wan Kenobi has made contact.

Some really mystical notions in there and it could've really fleshed out the concept of the Living Force. I really hope it's still in the cut of the film, though it's looking bleak

 

[ManaByte]

Either way we'll know for 100% sure next weekend.

I know one person who is going up to the Skywalker Ranch MTV charity screening, and there is a very very slight chance I may be going along.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Although his stately Jedi master

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Qui-Gon Jinn was a goner in Star Wars, Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Neeson puts in a ghostly appearance in the series finale,

Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith on May 19

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In Phantom Menace, he mentored Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan Kenobi and trained Jake Lloyd's Anakin Skywalker as a junior Jedi before meeting his fate in a saber duel opposite the vicious Darth Maul.

But much like Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan in the first trilogy, Qui-Gon's influential spirit lingers on.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-04-27-liam-neeson_x.htm

glimmers of hope, but they might know nothing.

 

[ManaByte]

From what I learned tonight from a friend who spent a lot of time with a big LFL name at CIII, as of CIII Qui-Gon is in.

 

[Saki]

Told ya so.

There's no way they got him in for the Vanity Fair picture and didn't get him to record lines.
Plus he's been dropping hints for a while.

 

[ManaByte]

Also, the Vader shot in the music video and CIII footage was reshot on an ILM stage after the reaction the shot in the teaser got.

There's also stuff added that is not in the novel, script, or comic.

 

[golem]

Some really mystical notions in there and it could've really fleshed out the concept of the Living Force. I really hope it's still in the cut of the film, though it's looking bleak

i just want to see yoda get his come-uppance

 

[Saki]

Also, the Vader shot in the music video and CIII footage was reshot on an ILM stage after the reaction the shot in the teaser got.

The hands didn't really bother me, but it looks better now.

 

[borghe]

I was going to say.. for three years now lucas has been practically bragging that the force ghosts would be explained in Episode 3... if he left it at

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"Oh, by the way, practice something on Tatooine qui-gonn told me"

a LOT of people would be pissed. and not typical anti-PT pissed, but "You made a big deal out of THAT??!@?!?" pissed.

The hands didn't really bother me, but it looks better now.

as an oft accused PT apologist, the hands bothered me.. it looked unnatural and made very little sense physically. down at his side or crossed at his chest definitely make more sense. though I thought it was known they were fixed for a while before the CIII footage.. I saw them fixed in a shot around the beginning of the year IIRC.

 

[btrboyev]

what the hell are you guys talking about with hands?

 

[Lonestar]

in the teaser trailer, when Vader on the table is rising up towards the screen, his hands are bolted to the table on either side of his head (like the "I surrender" pose) and at least to me, looked funky and wierd.

I think it was reshot, and his arms are at his sides as if he was just laying on the table.

 

[whytemyke]

kevin smith is teh ultimate fanboy. ROTS will BLOW.... face it people. MOTY= XXX 2, and there's nothing George Lucas can do about it!!!!!!

 

[Kabuki Waq]

kevin smith is teh ultimate fanboy. ROTS will BLOW.... face it people. MOTY= XXX 2, and there's nothing George Lucas can do about it!!!!!!

xxx2 probably has a better script than the star wars prequels.

 

[ManaByte]

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[btrboyev]

well I can tell you right now that it was not reshot...just digitally altered. The shot looks identically except for the arms.

 

[ManaByte]

well I can tell you right now that it was not reshot...just digitally altered. The shot looks identically except for the arms.

Sorry, according to someone close to Lucas, he reshot the scene on an ILM stage a couple months ago after the initial teaser reaction.

 

[demon]

What is it with fucktards who are incapable of writing a review of a movie without spoiling major plotpoints? I'm not reading a word.

 

[Zaptruder]

Old:

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Hahahaha.

Good thing they reshot it...

 

[Escape Goat]

Yeah, I was going to see it unless Darth Vader's arms were down instead of up. God, what idiocy!!!!

Lucas is crazy.

 

[Iceman]

although the two shots are in different frames the mist/fog in each shot is significantly different to suggest that the scene has been reshot. Look at the foreground on the new shot.. the fog is enveloping Darth in the new shot but not the old one.

 

[mrkgoo]

I would agree with btrboye, in that the shots are more likely digital alterations ('reshot' may include a number of digital alterations).

So the fog may be 'significatly' different, but I say the rest of the frame is SIGNIFICANTLIER the same. Besides, with GL's infatuation with digital film and effects, it's probable the fog/mist never really existed anyway, and was always a digital effect.

Thus begins a 40 page discussion on "is it reshot or realtered?".