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[Valkyr Junkie]

What the hell is going on with SCE? They send out preview code to journalists and put up an embargo after which media on the preview build can be released to the public, and then a week later they demand all of it be taken down? If these sites were doing something wrong why the hell did Sony wait so long to contact them? It's pretty damn sloppy regardless.

 

[morlock]

The video's on Play3 have been taken down, as per Sony and Guerrila. I never got to see 'em either...........Damn Internets!!

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At the request of Sony and Guerilla Games, we have removed all the pictures and videos captured Killzone 2 last week. Preview version of the game representing a 65% development, it is not sufficiently representative of the quality of the final title to disseminate as much media as we have done.

We simply wanted to provide maximum visual for a game you wait all, but we fully understand the decision of Sony and Guerilla Games, and extend our sincerest apologies for this misunderstanding.

http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3-killzone-nos-excuses-aupres-de-sony-et-guerilla-games-11393.html

 

[Cruzader]

That sucks but atleast I took a peek.

 

[lunlunqq]

All video removed? What is fucking wrong with Sony?????

 

[Norml]

It does suck. I think they let websites show too much also imo.

 

[jett]

All video removed? What is fucking wrong with Sony?????

They don't want the public to see bugs, errors and placeholder material? I can't blame them.

Sites like Gamersyde and Play3 really did show way too much, including stuff like unfinished cut-scenes and placeholder voice acting, which only hurt the game.

 

[Esch]

Killzone 2 has been a pariah ever since the CG trailer. I think most people expected the game to be either vaporware or just outright suck and come anything close to the CG trailer. Of course, Guerilla has been hitting home runs ever since the E3 07 reveal. They're doing an outstanding job and they deserve every bit of praise, they've exceed even my wildest expectations.

I have no problem with negative reviews, comments or opinions on the game but the contradictions and double standards from some journos are just mind boggling.

Can't help but wonder huh ?

Basically. It's actually a little crazy to see how far the game has come in the industry's eyes. I remember pre E307 it was a complete joke/nonexistent. Since that reveal, the game has garnered more and more support and praise. It's like a case study of gaming disappointment, hype, anti-hype, and redemption all at the same time. I hope everyone remembers to judge the game on it's merits instead of holding it to some invisible, abstract standards.

 

[KernelPanic]

What the hell is going on with SCE? They send out preview code to journalists and put up an embargo after which media on the preview build can be released to the public, and then a week later they demand all of it be taken down? If these sites were doing something wrong why the hell did Sony wait so long to contact them? It's pretty damn sloppy regardless.

It looks like they still feel the videos and screenshots out there aren't representive of the final game.

It seems they've been making some recent improvements to the graphics (doing some effects on the SPUs and all) so it seems SCE decided to pull the plug until the new build can be shown.

That or maybe someone decided that all hype should be on 08 titles to help sales.

I was actually surprised they were going to do a Killzone 2 reveal in December, I wasn't expecting anything til January, same with God of War 3.

 

[iamcool388]

They don't the public to see bugs, errors and placeholder material? I can't blame them.

Yeah, but it was pretty common knowledge that the sites would be putting up videos. Its incredibly stupid of Sony to not have given those sites clear instructions if that is the case. This sort of mix up could have very easily been avoided. Where Sony could have increased its goodwill and its business prospects by a smart roll out, where the sites knew what could and couldnt be done, instead the opposite has happened.

This only reinforces my belief that the only thing propping up Sony right now is the quality of their games (current and forthcoming), and the stable of first party studios they have. Because it sure as hell isnt their management and marketing.

Edit: I just saw your second line. In that case, you are right, but this kerfuffle could have been avoided if Sony or GG had given guidelines to sites on what they can show and what they cant. Hell, it would have been better if the site had just put up a disclaimer saying "Not representative of the final game"... and just noted that VO, cutscenes etc etc are placeholders.

 

[Fenderputty]

All video removed? What is fucking wrong with Sony?????

Sounds like Sony's idea of "media blowout" was different than the everyone else.

Sucks though. That was some good stuff. Glad I got to see what I wanted. I managed to only watch about 6 video's of everything. I wanted to watch more but fought off the temptation. (I should have given Bruce some pointers) I'm ready for the game.

 

[FirewalkR]

Well, perhaps Sony should have been more specific as to how much/what to show beforehand then.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned all the videos did was push the hype through the roof.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

http://www.eurogamer.pt/tv_video.php?playlist_id=18626&size=large

 

[KeioSquad2]

These videos are showing all most the whole game. I mean, I too, would like to see it, but then what fun will the game be when it comes out and we know what to expect...?

 

[the_prime_mover]

Well, perhaps Sony should have been more specific as to how much/what to show beforehand then.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned all the videos did was push the hype through the roof.

Absolutely. Everything I saw was amazing and I can't wait until this game hits. Plus, to think that the actual product is going to be so different that these videos don't adequately reflect it . . . well, that does nothing more than excite me. Fortunately I have some videos saved that I can watch on my PS3 and pretend that is me playing.

 

[Esch]

The previews are still up right? :[

 

[Callibretto]

Well, perhaps Sony should have been more specific as to how much/what to show beforehand then.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned all the videos did was push the hype through the roof.

I think Sony never expect the journalist to going as far as having a video where they just basically stand still to show off some cool graphics or visual effect of the game while unnecessarily also show some unfinished part.

I mean, GeoW is also a very hyped game and very pretty too, but the journalist never make a video where they point out the graphics as much as KZ do they?

I think Sony expect gameplay videos to be out, videos of people playing the game, following the game's pace etc, not video of player standing around looking at pretty graphics.

 

[YoungHav]

Well what's the point of showing all that crap if the game is more than two months away?

 

[Esch]

I think Sony never expect the journalist to going as far as having a video where they just basically stand still to show off some cool graphics or visual effect of the game while unnecessarily also show some unfinished part.

I mean, GeoW is also a very hyped game and very pretty too, but the journalist never make a video where they point out the graphics as much as KZ do they?

I think Sony expect gameplay videos to be out, videos of people playing the game, following the game's pace etc, not video of player standing around looking at pretty graphics.

Disagree. Look at all the trailers for K2... They're all collages of "wow" moments strung together with dialogue and music. This is a game that will sell itself on visual appeal more than a new gameplay premise or anything.

 

[Callibretto]

Disagree. Look at all the trailers for K2... They're all collages of "wow" moments strung together with dialogue and music. This is a game that will sell itself on visual appeal more than a new gameplay premise or anything.

I'm talking more about the gamersyde video where during the campaign, instead of following the game pace, the player took the time to stay back and see the good looking sea, or the pretty ground textures. you're supposed to be in the middle of war, you sholdn't really have time to stop and marvel at the scenery, that will just break the immersion from the theater of war GG has work so hard, and some people might think that as a game's flaw.

further more, the game is not finished, during the sightseeing, the video may show some flaw that may not be noticable if the player is playing with the game's pace.

I watch the first part of gamersyde video and after a couple minutes and the stop to sight see part imo actually make the video kinda boring.

 

[DunpealD]

it would have been better if the site had just put up a disclaimer saying "Not representative of the final game"... and just noted that VO, cutscenes etc etc are placeholders.

Well someone in here mentioned something that came with the preview as a PDF file, dunno if it's really true though.

FYI the preview build came with a PDF giving some hints as to which parts of the game were still being worked on. I am sure this is no exhaustive list but I thought I'd share it with you (I don't think websites published it, I didn't on PlayFrance) :

Known Issues

As Killzone2 is work-in-progress and still needs to go through Quality Assurance, the
Killzone 2 Single Player Preview Code does not accurately represent the final retail copy
of Killzone 2. These elements will be remedied for the final Game. Game elements which
are still under development may have been omitted or included in an un-optimized,
placeholder state. These include the following elements:

- Game Intro cinematic, in which the backstory is further explained, is not yet
available.
- Front/end menu designs are placeholder and will be replaced.
- Loading screen content missing. This will display various elements such as
gameplay tactics as well as background on the main cast.
- Dialog / Voice acting - The voice samples for both the Buddies and Helghast are
place holder.
- Cut-scenes have not gone through final polish in visual effects, sound effect,
facial animations and syncing voices
- Several Character Animation glitches can be spotted, most noticeably during
transitions.
- In some rare cases enemies or buddies can create progression issues. Try
Restart Checkpoint from the Pause menu to continue.
- Pay attention to the buddy and objectives in cases where the Direction finder (dpad
UP) system isn't implemented correctly yet.
- Volume balancing for sound effects, music and voices has not been completed
for this version, resulting in louder than normal speech or sound effects as well
as audio cutting out. Suggested setting in the Options / Sound menu:
music=100%, speech=80%, sound effects=70%
- Brightness settings are not yet balanced for all screens - The option menu has a
brightness setting that can be adjusted to overcome overly dark areas.
- Ragdoll issues might occur when many explosions are triggered.
- The Lighting setup of the Suljeva Village mission is unfinished.

Haven't looked at too many vids, but there could have been some slip ups in these parts.

 

[Esch]

I'm talking more about the gamersyde video where during the campaign, instead of following the game pace, the player took the time to stay back and see the good looking sea, or the pretty ground textures. you're supposed to be in the middle of war, you sholdn't really have time to stop and marvel at the scenery, that will just break the immersion from the theater of war GG has work so hard, and some people might think that as a game's flaw.

further more, the game is not finished, during the sightseeing, the video may show some flaw that may not be noticable if the player is playing with the game's pace.

I watch the first part of gamersyde video and after a couple minutes and the stop to sight see part imo actually make the video kinda boring.

Right, but the Gamersyde videos aren't technically a marketing pitch by Sony. They're an exhibition of the game by Gamersyde and other media outlets. These videos are previews in the literal sense, and are supposed to give the gaming audience the best view they can of the actual software(including flaws). All devs and publishers know this, it goes without saying.

You're basically inventing a motive as to why Sony pulled those videos, and that's a little nonsensical imo. There are several reasons why they could have been pulled.

 

[the_prime_mover]

I'm talking more about the gamersyde video where during the campaign, instead of following the game pace, the player took the time to stay back and see the good looking sea, or the pretty ground textures. you're supposed to be in the middle of war, you sholdn't really have time to stop and marvel at the scenery, that will just break the immersion from the theater of war GG has work so hard, and some people might think that as a game's flaw.

further more, the game is not finished, during the sightseeing, the video may show some flaw that may not be noticable if the player is playing with the game's pace.

I watch the first part of gamersyde video and after a couple minutes and the stop to sight see part imo actually make the video kinda boring.

This is true. TTP's videos do seem to be more of a technical analysis of the gameplay rather than your typical "HANDS ON PREVIEW" that you get with many games. However, given the hype and drama surrounding this game, it should be expected that most sites will take a lot of time to dig deep into this game to either hold it up high or tear it down. Which is sad, because ignorance sometimes provides a sense of glamor, awe and wonder that cannot be maintained once flaws are pointed out to you.

 

[Blablurn]

Well what's the point of showing all that crap if the game is more than two months away?

Never heard of marketing strategies? although it's the best looking console game it has not the same reputation as a halo or gears of war. this game needs more publicity. AND IT DESERVES IT!

I'm really looking forward to this game <3

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I didn't look at too much of it at all. I was too lazy to download and search for them. Good thing. I saw that boss fight, and a bit of the water stuff. That was good enough for me.

 

[Callibretto]

Right, but the Gamersyde videos aren't technically a marketing pitch by Sony. They're an exhibition of the game by Gamersyde and other media outlets. These videos are previews in the literal sense, and are supposed to give the gaming audience the best view they can of the actual software(including flaws). All devs and publishers know this, it goes without saying.

You're basically inventing a motive as to why Sony pulled those videos, and that's a little nonsensical imo. There are several reasons why they could have been pulled.

well, I just think that this may be one reason why Sony pulled out videos from the web. this is just speculation on my part.

and like prime mover said, gamersyde videos definitely don't look like a typical hands on preview videos of other games, and may not be the best way Sony intend to promote KZ

 

[neojubei]

All video removed? What is fucking wrong with Sony?????

I'm glad I got all the videos. I am in love with the desert level.

 

[Blimblim]

Sites like Gamersyde and Play3 really did show way too much, including stuff like unfinished cut-scenes and placeholder voice acting, which only hurt the game.

We did show the whole first level, who had been shown multiple times this year (E3, GC, TGS) either in private or in public. We still have an almost complete video of the level from E3. We did show a big part of the second level, who had already been shown in 2007, with very high quality videos from IGN/GT and others showing almost 10 minutes of that same location.
And then when it came to actual new stuff (4 full levels), we only did show some gameplay/gunfight and zero cutscenes/spoilers (unless you consider the boss to be a spoiler). We (well, TTP did) made sure that what was really new wouldn't be spoiled by our videos. Other sure didn't.
Turns out that showing stuff that was seen before multiple times was still a big issue for Sony, something I stupidly never even gave a thought about before. And I sure hope our videos didn't have any bad consequence on anyone over at GG or Sony.

 

[Fenderputty]

I'm glad I got all the videos. I am in love with the desert level.

Yup ...

I watched that sniper vid on gamersyde and decided that was enough. Game looks beyond good and I didn't want to see anything new. Loved that vid.

 

[blindrocket]

Luckily I didn't watch many of the videos because I don't want to be too spoiled.
The teaser images for the videos on Gamersyde, which could be misleading to my conclusion, and even screenshots posted here have made everything seem a little "same looking."
I hope there is some pretty good variety and I haven't already been spoiled on all of the locales if there really are so few of them.
Regardless, I can't wait for this game!

 

[andycapps]

We did show the whole first level, who had been shown multiple times this year (E3, GC, TGS) either in private or in public. We still have an almost complete video of the level from E3. We did show a big part of the second level, who had already been shown in 2007, with very high quality videos from IGN/GT and others showing almost 10 minutes of that same location.
And then when it came to actual new stuff (4 full levels), we only did show some gameplay/gunfight and zero cutscenes/spoilers (unless you consider the boss to be a spoiler). We (well, TTP did) made sure that what was really new wouldn't be spoiled by our videos. Other sure didn't.
Turns out that showing stuff that was seen before multiple times was still a big issue for Sony, something I stupidly never even gave a thought about before. And I sure hope our videos didn't have any bad consequence on anyone over at GG or Sony.

Well I'm just hoping that it was constructive. That they were able to tell you, "This is what we found wrong with what you did. Here is the type of thing you're allowed to do in the future, this is what you aren't allowed to do." It doesn't seem like you did any of it to hurt them, I would hope there's no bad blood there.

 

[KZObsessed]

HOLY SHIT!

I couldn't help it so I watched all the vids

 

[Enojado]

We did show the whole first level, who had been shown multiple times this year (E3, GC, TGS) either in private or in public. We still have an almost complete video of the level from E3. We did show a big part of the second level, who had already been shown in 2007, with very high quality videos from IGN/GT and others showing almost 10 minutes of that same location.
And then when it came to actual new stuff (4 full levels), we only did show some gameplay/gunfight and zero cutscenes/spoilers (unless you consider the boss to be a spoiler). We (well, TTP did) made sure that what was really new wouldn't be spoiled by our videos. Other sure didn't.
Turns out that showing stuff that was seen before multiple times was still a big issue for Sony, something I stupidly never even gave a thought about before. And I sure hope our videos didn't have any bad consequence on anyone over at GG or Sony.

Blim, I hope that GG and Sony aren't too pissed and realize you meant no harm in posting those videos. While I agree they have all the right to protect their Intellectual Property, perhaps next time they should be more specific about what can and can't be shown in a preview.

This post isn't meant to bash Sony and GG for what they did. Rather, just trying to show my support and hope that everything is ok for you and Gamersyde.

 

[megateto]

We did show the whole first level, who had been shown multiple times this year (E3, GC, TGS) either in private or in public. We still have an almost complete video of the level from E3. We did show a big part of the second level, who had already been shown in 2007, with very high quality videos from IGN/GT and others showing almost 10 minutes of that same location.
And then when it came to actual new stuff (4 full levels), we only did show some gameplay/gunfight and zero cutscenes/spoilers (unless you consider the boss to be a spoiler). We (well, TTP did) made sure that what was really new wouldn't be spoiled by our videos. Other sure didn't.
Turns out that showing stuff that was seen before multiple times was still a big issue for Sony, something I stupidly never even gave a thought about before. And I sure hope our videos didn't have any bad consequence on anyone over at GG or Sony.

Truth is that it doesn't make sense that you are given that kind of material without a big fat warning regarding what you can and cannot do with it.

 

[TTP]

Blim, I hope that GG and Sony aren't too pissed and realize you meant no harm in posting those videos. While I agree they have all the right to protect their Intellectual Property, perhaps next time they should be more specific about what can and can't be shown in a preview.

This post isn't meant to bash Sony and GG for what they did. Rather, just trying to show my support and hope that everything is ok for you and Gamersyde.

I'll tell u this. As a general rule in this industry.

When PR fucks something up, they try as much as they can to blame those that they have by the balls (the media, mostly small sites with no "power") so they don't lose their jobs.

 

[neojubei]

Yup ...

I watched that sniper vid on gamersyde and decided that was enough. Game looks beyond good and I didn't want to see anything new. Loved that vid.

The gamersyde video, while good, does not do that level justice like the french website's videos.

 

[Kaako]

I'll tell u this. As a general rule in this industry.

When PR fucks something up, they try as much as they can to blame those that they have by the balls (the media, mostly small sites with no "power") so they don't lose their jobs.

Now it all makes sense. TTP, Blim and the rest of the crew, thanks for the awesome vids.

 

[SolidC213]

im glad now i wont be tempted to watch! :lol
sucks for those who didn't get a chance though.

 

[Byakuya769]

Well if those screens/videos are considerable too rough for the public eye, the gift giving season needs to be pushed by two months.

 

[Firewire]

I'm glad I got all the videos. I am in love with the desert level.

Is that level still up anywhere? Never got a chance to see it all!

 

[Karma]

I see Killzone release date is Feb 27th. Is that Europe or US or both?

 

[user friendly]

Are the servers still up? I want to squeeze in a couple more hours tonight after work.

 

[KZObsessed]

I kinda hope the guy who decided to change "Time to die!" to "LETZ GOOOOOOOO!" got into a little trouble at least

Ok maybe not, but still change it back goddamnit! Biggest disappointment of the preview footage! :lol

 

[Midas]

It's hard to know what you're not allowed to show when the press people isn't even answering e-mails sent to them.

 

[AmMortal]

HOLY SHIT!

I couldn't help it so I watched all the vids

Every new killzone 2 screenshot is like having a newborn. Absolute bliss.

 

[anonymousAversa]

edit for already posted pics. woops.

 

[NameIess]

When you have idiots from 1UP giving a review score for a preview build I can understand why GG wanted to pull the early build info... I just hope they get the Sony marketing machine behind this game in early 2009.

Also, I would agree the footage from the preview build was a bit much; I almost feel like I played the preview after watching all the vids...

 

[Kyoufu]

When you have idiots from 1UP giving a review score for a preview build I can understand why GG wanted to pull the early build info... I just hope they get the Sony marketing machine behind this game in early 2009.

WTF? What did I miss??

 

[Schrade]

[img ]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/12/shotps3_0013-play.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/12/shotps3_0015.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/08/kz2_mp.07.jpg[/img]

new? these are obviously highly compressed jpegs but you get the idea..

No, I posted those way back on page 152.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13897865#post13897865

 

[Nizz]

Well, the one positive in all this is that I won't have those videos there to tempt me to watch them over and over again. I tried to keep myself on media blackout but who can resist when the damn game looks so good? I think I'm gonna try again with a personal little media blackout of this game. But man I can't wait till February.