KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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Pojo said:
give up the guerilla adres in the Netherlands (or the house next door). that would be great.
I don't watch Lost. Pretty much the only gameshow I'd watch is Wheel of Fortune, and maybe some Jeopardy. I hear a lot of buzz for Lost but I never know when it's on. Who hosts it by the way?
Anyways, enough of that garbage...BRING ON THE DEMO!!! I've been preaching the greatness of the beta to my PS3 owning friends, now it's time for all of us to partake in this goodness.
Anyways, enough of that garbage...BRING ON THE DEMO!!! I've been preaching the greatness of the beta to my PS3 owning friends, now it's time for all of us to partake in this goodness.
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Zeliard said:
While I don't have an answer to your question, I was thinking the same thing. I at least hope that, if it is only a small number of real people, at least you have to play with the bot A.I at the hardest difficulty setting. This would discourage people from abusing the system. Perhaps bot kills don't affect your overall stats? Ranking up to the max (where you have all of the classes unlocked) will happen pretty quick, but it would suck if people can play against bots to pad their stats.
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Hehe okHazaro said:
It must be really cool for the the developers of Killzone 2 to see that people are gaping like that over their game I do understand them though, since i think that Killzone 2 looks really amazing! Ah ok, thanks for the info!
Do you have a direct link to the youtube video?Liferebooted
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Good game demo > crappy tv show.Kuroyume said:
alr1ghtstart said:
And the Gamespot US demo unlocks, I assume, in ~22-23 hours.
the_prime_mover said:
It would be lame, but I think that's how it is. I'm almost certain you can set the bots on easy and still level up against them if you've got another human in the server. I don't see how that won't be incredibly easy to exploit.
user friendly
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Try searching with something like "Killzone 2 CES". On psp atm , so I cant really help much more than that. I know the video was shot at CES though.test_account said:Hehe ok
Ah ok, thanks for the info!
Pristine_Condition
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Musashi Wins! said:
Dude. Are you talking about Sam Bishop?
A f***ing coward? That's way too harsh. The guy was man enough to come here and explain what he wrote. I respect him for that. He's certainly no coward.
Don't come off like a jackass because you don't like his final score. Do you need to be reminded of a certain 1Up review for Gears? It's not like there's no precedent for not liking a certain aspect of a game yet still thinking it is excellent overall.
Hell, I don't agree with him at all about the controls, (I had a very different experience with the beta) but I respect his opinion. I certainly wouldn't call him a f***ing coward.
Unknown One
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This thread is getting out of hand.
I'll see you guys when the demo comes out :lol
Edit: Playmag Uk gave KZ2 a 9.3
I'll see you guys when the demo comes out :lol
Edit: Playmag Uk gave KZ2 a 9.3
guys...dunno if this was posted...
Author: Saren_Arterius, 02/04/2009
I've been able to play Killzone 2, and now that it is past February 2 I am allowed to write my thoughts. Here is what I focused on in a review where I looked at things from a "comparison" point of view. There is no doubt about it that Killzone 2 has plenty of problems with graphics...and as far as gameplay goes, it really is UNFORGIVABLE to have a game released in the Shooter genre in 2009 WITHOUT a Co-Op mode!
Here was my review:
Bottom Line: Killzone 2 is not up to 2009 standards.
People often compare this game to others in similar genres, so that is the way I will write this review.
The Playstation 3 has very weak competition, which may be why some people would consider this game one of the better games on the PS3. But even compared to newer PS3 games, Killzone 2 lags behind the competition in several key areas. For example, even though Resistance 2 is a disappointing game that sold poorly, it still included a Co-Op mode, which is something the first Resistance didn't have in 2006. There is simply NO EXCUSE for not having a Co-Op mode in 2009.
If you compare Killzone 2 to games on the Xbox 360, you will quickly realize that the competition is much more fierce on the Xbox 360.
Standards of quality are obviously much higher on the Xbox 360. Consider that for three years now, the Xbox 360 has made it so Co-Op gameplay is a GUARANTEED feature in high-profile games that receive a lot of hype.
* Gears of War included a two-player Co-Op mode so advanced that your characters actually branched off and separated from each other, and then rejoined at later points in the game. Gears of War was released in 2006. You would think that a game like Killzone 2 that was being shown at trade shows since 2005 would at least be able to match a feature that Xbox 360 games have included for three years now! ... But you would be wrong, since Killzone 2 does NOT include this feature.
* Halo 3 included a revolutionary four-player Co-Op mode, even though the game runs smoothly at 60 frames per second at all times, which is twice the framerate of Killzone 2. Halo 3 included all sorts of Map editing features that you would tend to think a game like Killzone 2 that spent FOUR YEARS in development would be able to match ... But you would be wrong, since Killzone 2 does not have a framerate as smooth as Halo 3, does not offer the Co-Op features of Halo 3, and certainly does not offer the wonderful storyline of Halo 3.
* Gears of War 2 runs at a smooth 60 frames per second, and it also includes a revolutionary new 5-player Co-Op mode known as the Horde mode. Gears of War 2 spent HALF the time in development that Killzone 2 did, yet it features better graphics and superior co-op play.
* Graphically, Killzone 2 does have plenty of problems. The game runs at only 30 frames per second. Games like Halo 3, Gears of War 2, Call of Duty 4 all run at 60 frames per second. This once again shows that Killzone 2 does not live up to the standards set by the competition in 2009. Killzone 2 would have done well against the first Gears of War, which only ran at 30 frames per second, but the standards have risen for 2009, and Killzone 2 fails to live up to the standards.
NOTE: Framerates in videogames are very important. TV programs run at 30 frames per second, while movies run at 24 frames per second. However, if a first-person shooter were to run at 24 frames per second, it would look TERRIBLY CHOPPY!!! ... Just take a look at the game known as F.E.A.R., which is another game in the first-person shooter. The PS3 version tried to run at 30 frames per second, but often dipped to rates in the low 20's, which caused the game to literally look as bad as a slow-motion movie at times.
I lost count of the number of times throughout Killzone 2 when I will be running along and the game will experience major framerate problems--some of which are actually caused by the foolish decision of the developers to make it so this game can NOT be installed to the hard drive. This is something not mentioned in some reviews, but it is definitely a BIG problem that you will easily notice and be frustrated with. PS3 reads data from game discs slowly (at only 9MB per second, compared to 16MB for Xbox 360). There are times when you will notice what appears to be one of the usual framerate mess ups, but then it actually takes one full second, and then two full seconds, and then you realize it is actually loading. Then, the game stops loading, and everyone is shooting at you!..VERY ANNOYING!!!
* Killzone 2 also has more "pop-up" than any other first-person shooter I have seen this generation. There are times when the objects popping in and out in the background remind me of Daytona USA on the Sega Saturn. This is an example of the PS3's lack of polygon power.
* Low Resolution - Take a look at the shadow textures or some of your CPU friends taking cover, and you will notice how their resolution is significantly lower than objects in the foreground. This is an example of the PS3's lack of GPU power. Another way to verify this is the fact that the characters of Killzone 2 look so much worse in outdoor environments or well-lit indoor environments. The reason for this is because the developers tried to create a game without lighting. That way, the polygon detail can be focused on the characters, rather than the backgrounds. But when lighting is in the environment, it means less polygon detail available for characters, which means lower resolution. Take a look at Killzone 2 for yourself to see how much different (i.e., worse) the game looks in areas that have lighting.
* Voice Acting - This is one of the worst videogame ever in terms of voice acting.
* Storyline - Similar to other Killzone games, the storyline is poorly written and not interesting. This is a poor use of Blu-ray technology. Where is the cinema stuff that could have potentially been included?
* Gameplay - If you liked the first Killzone you will obviously like Killzone 2. However, it's important to remember that Killzone received plenty of mixed reviews for a reason. Reliable websites and magazines rated the game poorly because of the lack of quality gameplay. The game sold relatively poorly on the hugely successful PS2, because people didn't enjoy Killzone. In my opinion, Sony should have tried to created a new franchise rather than making a sequel to a game that received poor reviews like Killzone. And releasing a sequel to to a game like Killzone without living up to gameplay standards such as Co-Op really is a shame.
Bottom Line: Killzone 2 could only hope to score is a "C" because of the simple FACT that it does NOT live up to the standards in place for Shooters in 2009. No Co-Op is UNFORGIVABLE!!!! Releasing a Shooter in 2009 without Co-Op mode is like releasing a car with only three wheels!!!
Score: C-
pretty funny
isnt the data read rate on bru ray like 54mb? or something? not 9?
and what were the framerates of the games he noted?
Author: Saren_Arterius, 02/04/2009
I've been able to play Killzone 2, and now that it is past February 2 I am allowed to write my thoughts. Here is what I focused on in a review where I looked at things from a "comparison" point of view. There is no doubt about it that Killzone 2 has plenty of problems with graphics...and as far as gameplay goes, it really is UNFORGIVABLE to have a game released in the Shooter genre in 2009 WITHOUT a Co-Op mode!
Here was my review:
Bottom Line: Killzone 2 is not up to 2009 standards.
People often compare this game to others in similar genres, so that is the way I will write this review.
The Playstation 3 has very weak competition, which may be why some people would consider this game one of the better games on the PS3. But even compared to newer PS3 games, Killzone 2 lags behind the competition in several key areas. For example, even though Resistance 2 is a disappointing game that sold poorly, it still included a Co-Op mode, which is something the first Resistance didn't have in 2006. There is simply NO EXCUSE for not having a Co-Op mode in 2009.
If you compare Killzone 2 to games on the Xbox 360, you will quickly realize that the competition is much more fierce on the Xbox 360.
Standards of quality are obviously much higher on the Xbox 360. Consider that for three years now, the Xbox 360 has made it so Co-Op gameplay is a GUARANTEED feature in high-profile games that receive a lot of hype.
* Gears of War included a two-player Co-Op mode so advanced that your characters actually branched off and separated from each other, and then rejoined at later points in the game. Gears of War was released in 2006. You would think that a game like Killzone 2 that was being shown at trade shows since 2005 would at least be able to match a feature that Xbox 360 games have included for three years now! ... But you would be wrong, since Killzone 2 does NOT include this feature.
* Halo 3 included a revolutionary four-player Co-Op mode, even though the game runs smoothly at 60 frames per second at all times, which is twice the framerate of Killzone 2. Halo 3 included all sorts of Map editing features that you would tend to think a game like Killzone 2 that spent FOUR YEARS in development would be able to match ... But you would be wrong, since Killzone 2 does not have a framerate as smooth as Halo 3, does not offer the Co-Op features of Halo 3, and certainly does not offer the wonderful storyline of Halo 3.
* Gears of War 2 runs at a smooth 60 frames per second, and it also includes a revolutionary new 5-player Co-Op mode known as the Horde mode. Gears of War 2 spent HALF the time in development that Killzone 2 did, yet it features better graphics and superior co-op play.
* Graphically, Killzone 2 does have plenty of problems. The game runs at only 30 frames per second. Games like Halo 3, Gears of War 2, Call of Duty 4 all run at 60 frames per second. This once again shows that Killzone 2 does not live up to the standards set by the competition in 2009. Killzone 2 would have done well against the first Gears of War, which only ran at 30 frames per second, but the standards have risen for 2009, and Killzone 2 fails to live up to the standards.
NOTE: Framerates in videogames are very important. TV programs run at 30 frames per second, while movies run at 24 frames per second. However, if a first-person shooter were to run at 24 frames per second, it would look TERRIBLY CHOPPY!!! ... Just take a look at the game known as F.E.A.R., which is another game in the first-person shooter. The PS3 version tried to run at 30 frames per second, but often dipped to rates in the low 20's, which caused the game to literally look as bad as a slow-motion movie at times.
I lost count of the number of times throughout Killzone 2 when I will be running along and the game will experience major framerate problems--some of which are actually caused by the foolish decision of the developers to make it so this game can NOT be installed to the hard drive. This is something not mentioned in some reviews, but it is definitely a BIG problem that you will easily notice and be frustrated with. PS3 reads data from game discs slowly (at only 9MB per second, compared to 16MB for Xbox 360). There are times when you will notice what appears to be one of the usual framerate mess ups, but then it actually takes one full second, and then two full seconds, and then you realize it is actually loading. Then, the game stops loading, and everyone is shooting at you!..VERY ANNOYING!!!
* Killzone 2 also has more "pop-up" than any other first-person shooter I have seen this generation. There are times when the objects popping in and out in the background remind me of Daytona USA on the Sega Saturn. This is an example of the PS3's lack of polygon power.
* Low Resolution - Take a look at the shadow textures or some of your CPU friends taking cover, and you will notice how their resolution is significantly lower than objects in the foreground. This is an example of the PS3's lack of GPU power. Another way to verify this is the fact that the characters of Killzone 2 look so much worse in outdoor environments or well-lit indoor environments. The reason for this is because the developers tried to create a game without lighting. That way, the polygon detail can be focused on the characters, rather than the backgrounds. But when lighting is in the environment, it means less polygon detail available for characters, which means lower resolution. Take a look at Killzone 2 for yourself to see how much different (i.e., worse) the game looks in areas that have lighting.
* Voice Acting - This is one of the worst videogame ever in terms of voice acting.
* Storyline - Similar to other Killzone games, the storyline is poorly written and not interesting. This is a poor use of Blu-ray technology. Where is the cinema stuff that could have potentially been included?
* Gameplay - If you liked the first Killzone you will obviously like Killzone 2. However, it's important to remember that Killzone received plenty of mixed reviews for a reason. Reliable websites and magazines rated the game poorly because of the lack of quality gameplay. The game sold relatively poorly on the hugely successful PS2, because people didn't enjoy Killzone. In my opinion, Sony should have tried to created a new franchise rather than making a sequel to a game that received poor reviews like Killzone. And releasing a sequel to to a game like Killzone without living up to gameplay standards such as Co-Op really is a shame.
Bottom Line: Killzone 2 could only hope to score is a "C" because of the simple FACT that it does NOT live up to the standards in place for Shooters in 2009. No Co-Op is UNFORGIVABLE!!!! Releasing a Shooter in 2009 without Co-Op mode is like releasing a car with only three wheels!!!
Score: C-
pretty funny
isnt the data read rate on bru ray like 54mb? or something? not 9?
and what were the framerates of the games he noted?
Unknown One
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I had to come back for that.
Written like a hating fanboy :lol :lol
And Halo 3 is 30 fps not 60.
Written like a hating fanboy :lol :lol
And Halo 3 is 30 fps not 60.
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not really............elohel said:
Nopetest_account said:Hehe ok
Ah ok, thanks for the info!
It's a cam at some convention
Pristine_Condition
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I love how this kid acts like he was bound by NDA for his super-serious "review." :lol :lol :lol
Oh, wait. I think I know who this might be. Does he live with his sister but is sleeping out on the balcony? :lol :lol :lol
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Mik2121 said:
Half of it is just flat-out bold-faced lies. He probably hasn't even played the game.
Why are people so torn on this game?
Both Tom Chick and Robert Ashley seem to hate it with a vehement passion. Then you see other sites like 1UP hailing it as being in the league of games like Halo, CoD4, and Gears.
I can't wait to play this thing so I can figure out who I agree with.
Both Tom Chick and Robert Ashley seem to hate it with a vehement passion. Then you see other sites like 1UP hailing it as being in the league of games like Halo, CoD4, and Gears.
I can't wait to play this thing so I can figure out who I agree with.
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elohel said:
Dude, that's just a USER review from 1UP.com, why the hell are you posting that?
He hasn't played it and it's clearly just a joke. *sigh*
edit: yeh here it is: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3172611
In the comments.
Pristine_Condition
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Teknoman said:Gears of War 2 runs at a smooth 60 frames per second
:lol :lol :lol
He looks like he's about to take a dump. (Which actually improves the image in this case.)
Insane Metal
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elohel said:
Holy crap. That was a load of shit like I've never seen before :lol
Some people REALLY, REAAAALLY hate Killzone 2 :lol
Edit - this illustrates better:
nelsonroyale
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that review is very obviously just tongue in cheek...having said that seemed a little bit of a waste of time to write
gray_fox224
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Thread content dark indeed...
Pristine_Condition
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elohel said:
Fixed.
That actually came out sounding less like fanboy drivel than the original. Well done!
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I found the video when i searched for "Killzone 2 CES" on YouTubeuser friendly said:
Thanks for the tip! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUUjnbD2g8 (from 3:06 to 3:25)
criesofthepast
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Is it known whether the gamestop demo and the euro psn demo are the same? Content wise? Are the gamestop codes pretty much worthless now or no?
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