KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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RubxQub said:
Each game demands a slightly different skillset, so I'm not sure why somehow learning to play Killzone 2 will hurt the skills you have with other shooters, it's like playing Resistance and then switching to SOCOM, you might or might not do as well simply because the two games play very differently.
I finished the demo a while ago and I was having some trouble aiming. I was getting better by the end though. However, it's strange... did the sensitivity/controls change since the beta? I only played it a few hours but seems to me that it was easier back then.
The main problem with the controls seems to be the delay in movement that's so easily felt with the default sensitivity. Cranking it up to max improves a bit but after it accelerates it can be too fast. The ideal for me would be a faster acceleration to full speed, so I could use the default sensitivity. Removing the delay, basically. Perhaps Guerrilla could expose control of the related variables to the player in the menus.
I'll have to play it again, and see if it (or I...) improves. And basically that was my only complain, the rest was awesome, untouchable graphics in a console, great atmosphere, awesome sound (and I'm using headphones), great firefights, it's the whole deal. Just expose more control of movement to the player, Guerrilla, please. Kthx.
Edit: oh btw I don't have a problem with the control scheme, I forced myself to try the default and it's ok. In the demo I was using the CoD'ified scheme but there was no cover.
The main problem with the controls seems to be the delay in movement that's so easily felt with the default sensitivity. Cranking it up to max improves a bit but after it accelerates it can be too fast. The ideal for me would be a faster acceleration to full speed, so I could use the default sensitivity. Removing the delay, basically. Perhaps Guerrilla could expose control of the related variables to the player in the menus.
I'll have to play it again, and see if it (or I...) improves. And basically that was my only complain, the rest was awesome, untouchable graphics in a console, great atmosphere, awesome sound (and I'm using headphones), great firefights, it's the whole deal. Just expose more control of movement to the player, Guerrilla, please. Kthx.
Edit: oh btw I don't have a problem with the control scheme, I forced myself to try the default and it's ok. In the demo I was using the CoD'ified scheme but there was no cover.
Yep. It feels to me like a time-based deadzone: flick the stick fast enough, and you won't even turn a pixel. I like it because it makes it more forgiving- you won't be flinching left, right, left, right, trying to center your aim on a single target. Instead, it'll be more like a couple small taps in the direction of the target and BAM you're on it. It cuts down on the overcompensation that I so often find myself annoyed by in console shooters. One complaint is, though, that this same deadzone can cause a sudden acceleration that I have to get used to. For tiny incremental adjustments, I like it. But for the larger movements (like circle-strafing a downed Helghast soldier from 5 feet away) I'm still getting used to it. I love the mid to longrange gunplay so much though, that I'm willing to give the demo more play to get used to the close-quarters lookspeed to tinker and find what works best in those scenarios..GqueB. said:
RubxQub said:
You're overstating things. The controls really are not as difficult to adapt to as you make it seem. I just beat Resistance 2's campaign last night, and coming straight from that to Killzone 2 required only a small adjustment. There's nothing that substantially different that you shouldn't be able to do the same, especially if you're king of the console shooters.
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Just played with no cross hair and it was my easiest playthrough ha!
Was taking down bitched with ma revolver, Clint style.
Was taking down bitched with ma revolver, Clint style.
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I don't get how people are not willing to learn a new control scheme for a game :lol :lol :lol
I exclusivly play PC shooters with the keyboard mouse and i suck with a controller but im willing to learn just like i did for online shooters such as TF2 CS etc
I can't believe some people are so arrogant to say the controls suck just because they are different from the norm
I exclusivly play PC shooters with the keyboard mouse and i suck with a controller but im willing to learn just like i did for online shooters such as TF2 CS etc
I can't believe some people are so arrogant to say the controls suck just because they are different from the norm
Its funny to me that people are having problems with the controls. The first time I played the demo I had no problems. Everything just seemed so natural which is weird for me. It usually takes a few hours for me to adjust to the control of a FPS, but I had no problems with Killzone 2 controls.
The controls (specifically, the aiming- I have no problem with the rest) are going to take some getting used to. Whether the game legitimately goes for a different feel and achieves it or simply obstructs the gameplay is still up in the air for me, but I think it could go either way. As such, I don't want to criticize GG or disagree with RubxQub just yet.
However, I do agree with the fans here saying that not all games need to play the exact same way AND I do think that RubxQub is right in saying that difficulty should not come from and skill should not be displayed in overcoming a game's interface- the skill should be seen in how you use the tools, not whether you can use them. (Incidentally, this has been one of my main sticking points with RTSes and Fighters for years, but I'm willing to accept that that may just be personal shortcomings.)
However, I do agree with the fans here saying that not all games need to play the exact same way AND I do think that RubxQub is right in saying that difficulty should not come from and skill should not be displayed in overcoming a game's interface- the skill should be seen in how you use the tools, not whether you can use them. (Incidentally, this has been one of my main sticking points with RTSes and Fighters for years, but I'm willing to accept that that may just be personal shortcomings.)
RubxQub said:
No, it's not badly implemented - it's just different and requires an adjustment period. Feel free to provide me with reasons as to why it's bad, though.
How the hell is changing the way the guns and player moves abitrary? It's going for a weighted feeling - a realistic feeling - something COD4 doesn't have. With that, you've got to adjust. If you don't like that, fine - but it's not because it's bad, it's because you're not willing to adjust and learn and would prefer playing more basic shooters like COD4. That's cool, not everyone is into every FPS game - some people don't like CS because it's too slow which I can understand. That doesn't mean CS is bad or anything, though.
Travler: What is your issues with the controls? I'm not trying to start a big argument, just curious to know what people are having issue with. Is it the whole locking on aspect?
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RubxQub said:
Wow your really in a rut. You should try something new:lol
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Kittonwy said:Each game demands a slightly different skillset, so I'm not sure why somehow learning to play Killzone 2 will hurt the skills you have with other shooters, it's like playing Resistance and then switching to SOCOM, you might or might not do as well simply because the two games play very differently.
Or they play quite the same. I actually played COD4 in veteran mode quite the same as I play the Killzone 2 demo. Always shooting from cover to prevent my head blown of. No run and gun and almost no shooting from the hip. The difference lies in the controls. Shooting a moving enemy is made so much harder in Killzone 2 because of the progressive sensitivity of the stick. It's almost impossible to track an enemy at a constant speed because there's always some acceleration going on between the maximum and minimum turning rate.
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I have downloaded the demo, but haven't tried it yet. What's the problem? Control scheme?RubxQub said:
Rubx, have you downloaded the Halo Wars demo?
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dralla said:
Ya that one is pretty awesome.
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RubxQub said:
So you're not going to give the game time of day because it doesn't control like every other shooter you've come accustomed to, and fear adapting to the feel of this game will take away the years of practice you've built up with the 'standard feel' of FPSers?
The demo is less than ten minutes, just play it a couple more times using other control layouts.
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dallow_bg said:
They should have realised I was a Helghast.
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They're slow, man. They're slow. It isn't that they suck because they are different, it is that they suck because you can't turn very fast. Although, I personally don't think the controls completely suck, they most certainly are slow as fuck. If you turn up the sensitivity the acceloration makes it very hard to control much of anything.CalamityDaunt said:
I agree, it is something to get used to. But, even after I do get used to it it'll still be slow and it'll still take too long to turn around.
traveler said:
Very much agreed. But I still think another (or two) playthrough(s) will help, since I believe many indirectly jump into the demo with a CoD4/any-other-FPS mindset. As some have already said, the "lack" of autoaim requires the player to aim more carefully, and having controls that rival CoD4 in speed will probably make you miss enemies by oversteering.
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So as someone who is an admitted exclusive PC gamer, your opinion on this subject is completely null and void.CalamityDaunt said:
I'm comparing console FPS to console FPS.
The PC is a perfect example, however. In every PC game the controls feel exactly the same. You move the mouse, the cursor moves to wherever you just moved your mouse. You tailor the default settings to something that you are accustomed to and then it plays just like every other FPS.
Clearly I'm in the minority here, but it's an issue for me, and not because I suck at games.
Game is brilliant. Sound design is amazing. The difference in sound when shooting indoors/outdoors was good. I definitely prefer the Helghast gun to the starting ISA one.
I too dislike the menu screen. It'd be fine if it didn't shake. Would like to toggle that off.
Used Alternate 2 control scheme in the multiplayer beta, but find standard 1 much better for single player. Would love the cover system in multiplayer, I think they've implemented it quite well.
This demo has done nothing but increase the pain of waiting another couple weeks!
I too dislike the menu screen. It'd be fine if it didn't shake. Would like to toggle that off.
Used Alternate 2 control scheme in the multiplayer beta, but find standard 1 much better for single player. Would love the cover system in multiplayer, I think they've implemented it quite well.
This demo has done nothing but increase the pain of waiting another couple weeks!
Core407 said:No, it's not badly implemented - it's just different and requires an adjustment period. Feel free to provide me with reasons as to why it's bad, though.
How the hell is changing the way the guns and player moves abitrary? It's going for a weighted feeling - a realistic feeling - something COD4 doesn't have. With that, you've got to adjust. If you don't like that, fine - but it's not because it's bad, it's because you're not willing to adjust and learn and would prefer playing more basic shooters like COD4. That's cool, not everyone is into every FPS game - some people don't like CS because it's too slow which I can understand. That doesn't mean CS is bad or anything, though.
Travler: What is your issues with the controls? I'm not trying to start a big argument, just curious to know what people are having issue with. Is it the whole locking on aspect?
Well, I'm not even sure it's an issue so much as something I'm just going to have to get used to, but the specific area I'm having troubles with is the aim acceleration.
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Beatbox said:
:lol :lol :lol
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Beatbox said:
Fots Shired.
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I really don't think it feels realistic though. Get up off your chair and turn. How long did that take you?Core407 said:No, it's not badly implemented - it's just different and requires an adjustment period. Feel free to provide me with reasons as to why it's bad, though.
How the hell is changing the way the guns and player moves abitrary? It's going for a weighted feeling - a realistic feeling - something COD4 doesn't have. With that, you've got to adjust. If you don't like that, fine - but it's not because it's bad, it's because you're not willing to adjust and learn and would prefer playing more basic shooters like COD4. That's cool, not everyone is into every FPS game - some people don't like CS because it's too slow which I can understand. That doesn't mean CS is bad or anything, though.
Travler: What is your issues with the controls? I'm not trying to start a big argument, just curious to know what people are having issue with. Is it the whole locking on aspect?
Probably not very long at all. Killzone 2's turning isn't realistic. If you want to play a game with realistic FPS controls play Red Orchestra.
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RubxQub said:
How is my opinion null and void, i'm adapting to a new set of rules. I could just say bu bu it doesn't have keyboard and mouse therefore im not gunna play it. My opinion doesn't matter pfft some people.
BobsRevenge said:
Yeah, it definitely feels a lot more weighty and believable in some areas than most games, but it's certainly not aiming for simulation. (Not that this is inherently good or bad) For those looking for that type of experience, there are a number of PC FPSes I would recommend first.
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Answer my question(s) please.RubxQub said:
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I really don't understand people's complaints with the controls. Sure the weight takes a bit of getting used to, but it's nothing that should feel drastically different if you've been playing FPS's for a long time. First time I played through it took some adjusting, especially since I'm used to playing FPS on my 360, but on my second run through it was a none issue.
I started off by using Alt 2 controls, but I found that having the zoom button on L1 made it more difficult to shoot when I was in cover. I quickly changed back to the default control scheme and it was much better, making zooming and shooting while I'm in cover much more natural.
Oh, and for people with 5.1, crank this sucker up. Definitely one of, if not the, most impressive uses of 5.1 I've ever heard.
It was a small taste, but it definitely made me happy to know how much I'm going to enjoy it once it's released. My brother is going to come over and give it a go as well, and quite frankly I'm more interested in his opinion on it since he hasn't been following the game as I have.
I started off by using Alt 2 controls, but I found that having the zoom button on L1 made it more difficult to shoot when I was in cover. I quickly changed back to the default control scheme and it was much better, making zooming and shooting while I'm in cover much more natural.
Oh, and for people with 5.1, crank this sucker up. Definitely one of, if not the, most impressive uses of 5.1 I've ever heard.
It was a small taste, but it definitely made me happy to know how much I'm going to enjoy it once it's released. My brother is going to come over and give it a go as well, and quite frankly I'm more interested in his opinion on it since he hasn't been following the game as I have.
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