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cakefoo said:
yep, love the game to, but this is how it is...
KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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yep, love the game to, but this is how it is...
I just posted a video that counts 5 frames before a response. That's 166ms. I also went to the XMB and recorded that. The response time there is 1 frame. If people are going to deny to my face that there's a delay, then they're either not watching the video, or they're going into fanboy defense mode.M°°nblade said:
I love my PS3, I love the KZ2 demo, and I love rational PS3 fans... but some people in this thread are THIS close to revealing they're on Sony's payroll.
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Quick question - what resolutions are you setup to play in?cakefoo said:
Is 720p checked?
lowrider007
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cakefoo said:
Very few people are actually saying that there's no delay. Most are simply saying it's a conscious design decision meant to give the game a heavy, almost tactile feel, to try and make it seem like you're actually gripping a gun, moving it around and pulling the trigger. Guerilla themselves have already echoed those same sentiments when questioned about aim lag. The actual delay that results from that is mostly negligible in real-time, and not something the majority of players are likely to notice.
jjasper said:
The reason for that is that the character bends down before he jumps.
Mr.Squirrel
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Man wtf happened to this thread? Last I read everyone was excited to have the game, now we have page after page of bitching. Considering this isn't the official thread it's cool, but please don't take this shit to the official thread in a couple weeks.
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you guys are crasy ....jjasper said:
Haunted
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GG already responded that it is an intentional design decision that will not be rectified.JB1981 said:
Before the demo, mostly the enthusiasts and those already hyped were posting here. After the demo, everyone who has played the demo is participating.bdizzle said:
That's the only difference.
Future said:I think I'm finally used to the controls.
I dont think this is the wave of the future for FPS. People will want that tight control found in the competition.
Tight "control" in competition is perfectly fine based on my time in MP beta. I swear, I highly doubt this discussion is taking place anywhere but inside the absolutely anal confines of the gaming "experts" here at GAF.
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You mean the MP beta?Truant said:
Ah well, I still think the game is fantastic, presentation, cover system and gunplay, all top notch. I can understand people having problem with the accelerated aiming mechanics, although I think it should be possible to adapt if you really want to.
Only thing I won't stop bitching about is the lack of a crouch toggle, which would make the cover system that much better.
Boss Man
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There's undeniably a delay, but it's never bothered me. In fact, if they patch this because of the few complainers and it takes away the weighted/cinematic feel of the game I'm going to be very pissed. It doesn't make the game hard to control at all. It's not an aggravating delay, it's just barely enough to feel...and it feels good.
Someone who hasn't had any experience with the game would probably assume, from this thread and those videos, that the game lags and the controls are horrible. That's just not the case, and this shit really needs to stop being so overblown.
Someone who hasn't had any experience with the game would probably assume, from this thread and those videos, that the game lags and the controls are horrible. That's just not the case, and this shit really needs to stop being so overblown.
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Haunted said:
There is a difference, I and many people are saying that it was a concious decision by GG to have a slower acceleration arc/period to give the game added weight which is fine, that's what alot of people are having a problem with, this though is a different issue, this is an actual delayed response from button pushing, I did bring this up quite a few pages back by telling people to compare the in-game menu system with the in-game XMB, there was a difference in response times, now I certainly don't think it's game breaking, like I've said I've gotten used to the controls now and it hasn't really bothered me in game at all, but don't confuse the intended weight issue alot of people are having a problem with, with this issue, they are not the same.
JB1981 said:
LBP comes to mind doesn't it?
Seriously tho, it's just that the Helghan atmosphere has some oddities in it which affect (reduces) the speed at which electricity travels from brain to muscles. Hence the delay. I've been there. I know what I'm talking about. I'm gonna post this on Wikipedia.
Hmm, what are the two icons with 0/3 and 0/2 on the top right corner in the mission selection screen ?
Also, I really think that the people that are struggling with the controls are not playing it the right way. Tiis is not R2 or UTIII. You have to take momentum and weight into account at all time when you're aiming. If you don't and try to fight over it, your aim will be all over the place. Quick/strong movements are not recommended at all.
Be like water, my friend.
edit: rofl TTP
Also, I really think that the people that are struggling with the controls are not playing it the right way. Tiis is not R2 or UTIII. You have to take momentum and weight into account at all time when you're aiming. If you don't and try to fight over it, your aim will be all over the place. Quick/strong movements are not recommended at all.
Be like water, my friend.
edit: rofl TTP
DenogginizerOS
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The lag bothers me. If I were playing this game with a mouse and keyboard, I would be able to make more precise adjustments and could cope with it a little better, but with sticks, I want to have as much precision as I can get and I think the design decision hurts here.
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Crouch toggle?Haunted said:Ah, ok. Well, most of the bitching I've read was about the intended weight issues and accelerating aiming, not that button press delay.
I wish more people would bitch about a certain other option missing.
N30RYU said:
You mean the player is the brain controlling the virtual brain which controls the virtual body? So rather then pulling the trigger yourself, by pushing R1 you are instructing Sev's brain to do so.
So you have the time it takes for the player brain to send the "push R1" order to his finger, plus the time it takes for the finger to bend, plus the time it takes for the input to travel to the PS3, plus the time is takes for Sev's brain to register the order, plus the time it takes for Sev's brain signal to reach his finger, plus the time it takes for Sev's finger to bend over the trigger.
This is better than my Helghan atmosphere justification.
I'm editing my Wikipedia entry right now.
j/k N30RYU, no offense.
I just find this delay talking funny.
DenogginizerOS
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I actually find the defense of the delay funny. What purpose does it serve other than giving end-users something to overcome that is not normally found in FPS?TTP said:
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Haunted said:
Hey I was just guessing what you think, I don't mind that it's missing, at all...really...I don't...
DenogginizerOS said:
I find it funny 'cos it didn't bother me nor anyone who has played the full game or participated to the beta. Heck, neither Gamesradar complained about this apparently obvious and game-breaking fault. EDGE scored it a 7 but went as far as saying controls are "tight".
DenogginizerOS said:
Is it that hard to believe that some people just don't find it to be cumbersome?
I didn't play a great amount of Mirror's Edge, but I did play some, and I'm beginning to think that game was a good primer for how Killzone 2 would control. It wouldn't surprise me if people who have played ME generally have an easier time adapting to KZ2's deliberate movements. Both games try to make it feel like you're actually controlling a person through a first-person perspective, and they feel similar as a result.
DenogginizerOS
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THe XMB portion of his video negates that. The delay is only in Killzone 2. I never encountered that delay in Resistance or COD or Far Cry 2.Oni Jazar said:
DenogginizerOS
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Well, it bothers me and that shouldn't bother you. I am glad others enjoy it, but I am sad it bothers me.TTP said:
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BeeDog said:
Yeah but some of the voice work is terrible. At first I thought the voicework complaints were just over crappy lines, but the way some people sound when they die or grunt is awful.
DenogginizerOS said:
Because the defense (from some, not all) is coming from people who have had prolonged exposure to and experience with the controls. Most of the people complaining about the delay are new to the mechanics and are basing their complaints on a 5 minute demo. I will concede that the game "feels" different from other shooters but I will not agree that it's some kind of inherent technical "flaw" with the game code. It's simply a matter of play style - you either get it or you don't. Maybe the game will simply NEVER click with the people who don't like the way it controls.
Oh well, there are other games.
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