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KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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nelsonroyale
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MickeyKnox said:
yeah, the lighting is very impressive, although it doesn't seem as dynamic as in crysis...its more striking though, as evidenced in later levels
AranhaHunter
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Is there anyway I can change the crouch button to toggle instead of hold like I can do with the zoom button?
Kill Your Masters
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Pretty much. :lolDirtbag said:
I like how friendly soldiers react to gunfire. After clearing the beach and before going into the Warehouse, if you shoot anywhere near the soldiers they'll duck or aim and look for the enemy.
I also got killed by my own squad after killing all the generic soldiers.
Kill Your Masters
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Switch RGB in the XMB to limited if it's on full. That should fix it. A lot of people here had it on full, cranked the brightness up to the max, and still weren't able to see it.DeeVoc said:
After I switched to Limited RGB, I even had to tone down the brightness for one bar and still could see the symbol.
Lovely Salsa
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Sony 55X4500 (XBR8 in the US)+ Killzone 2= Pure ownage
I just tried it on my TV and OMG, I got pwnt. The game looks AWESOME and the sound, omg the sound!
I was feeling it in my anus throughout the whole demo, I was THAT pwnt.
Can't wait for the full game! (should get it next week, oh ya)
Sony 55X4500 (XBR8 in the US)+ Killzone 2= Pure ownage
I just tried it on my TV and OMG, I got pwnt. The game looks AWESOME and the sound, omg the sound!
I was feeling it in my anus throughout the whole demo, I was THAT pwnt.
Can't wait for the full game! (should get it next week, oh ya)
DeeVoc said:
As TTP was mentioning you should set your RGB colors from FULL to LIMITED. If its still too dark or looks washed out you need to calibrate your LCD.
Hellraizer said:
I switched mine to limited and my tv looked a little washed out and I still had to crank up the brightness. It was a little embarrassing for me that I haven't calibrated my 47" LG LCD o_o
Very true.. but Crysis's lighting (which looks f*cking amazing) is very very demanding. I found myself playing it in very high even though I was getting 18-23fps out of it. GG they dedicated that many resources to the lighting then everything else would suffer. I think that GG did an awesome job with what they had to work with. Those guys are really talented.nelsonroyale said:
TTP's advice about the dafault set up was spot on. If your going to use the cover system this is THE control option to use. I suppose if you just want to play this game like COD4 than alt 2 would be an option, but it all just gels so well with the standard config. That said, i will prob use alt 2 in multi because there is no cover system. Shit....I hate being at work, I wish I was at home playing again, hearing the chirp.
Zombie James
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McLovin said:
RGB Full crushes blacks on most TVs. You really shouldn't enable it if your TV doesn't support it.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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MickeyKnox said:
I'd agree with this. Its more in line with 'movie quality lighting'. Games developers still have a ways to go before they're successfully emulating professional cinematographers, both technically and artistically. But KZ2 is a genuine step in that direction.
Kill Your Masters
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Yeah but to the casual folks, Full sounds better than Limited. And to be honest, Full did sound better than Limited to me, that's why I was using the PS3 with the Full option for months :lol_leech_ said:
3rdamention
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Right here over on the AVS Forums they have a whole discussion about RGB Range Full vs. Limited and how to tell if your TV Supports it.
ON the first post in the thread, the guy has a PS3 Theme you can download and install that tells whether your tv accepts RGB Range Full. There is also just the image you can view on your PS3.
If this is old, I apologize. I thought this would help some having issues or questions about RGB Range Full vs. Limited.
I know I have had the PS3 set to Full since basically launch. It was supposed to look better that way, everyone said turn it on, blah blah. It looked great to me, I noticed no crushing of blacks or shadows.
Now when I play Killzone 2, I cannot see the emblem on the screen brightness settings screen. I turned RGB Range to Limited and I saw the emblem just fine in the brightness settings screen. Looks like my TV never supported the function this whole time.
However, Limited looks so washed out to me. My TV is callibrated to a T and limited looks washed out, I dont get it. It also doesn't appear that you can turn on RGB Range in my TV Settings (TV is a Samsung LN-T4061F). Interesting stuff here.
ON the first post in the thread, the guy has a PS3 Theme you can download and install that tells whether your tv accepts RGB Range Full. There is also just the image you can view on your PS3.
If this is old, I apologize. I thought this would help some having issues or questions about RGB Range Full vs. Limited.
I know I have had the PS3 set to Full since basically launch. It was supposed to look better that way, everyone said turn it on, blah blah. It looked great to me, I noticed no crushing of blacks or shadows.
Now when I play Killzone 2, I cannot see the emblem on the screen brightness settings screen. I turned RGB Range to Limited and I saw the emblem just fine in the brightness settings screen. Looks like my TV never supported the function this whole time.
However, Limited looks so washed out to me. My TV is callibrated to a T and limited looks washed out, I dont get it. It also doesn't appear that you can turn on RGB Range in my TV Settings (TV is a Samsung LN-T4061F). Interesting stuff here.
MickeyKnox said:
I get that. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about how it is illuminated but the light itself. I don't know if it's due to a post-processing effect or whatever but its definitely less artificial looking than in other games.
For the sake of clarity, here is a comparison.
(Please forgive me for having chosen GOW2 for this comparison but this level is the first overcast setting that came to my mind. Not attempting any troll-ish confrontation here so refrain being offended
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You see what I'm talking about? Killzone 2 illumination hides the digital nature of the image giving it a more "analogic" look. There is more depth to it. Different materials *look like* are reflecting light differently. Even without any obvious reflection effect, you can tell a concrete surface from a metal one or a wooden one.
Perhaps it's just clever art. Or it's just me. Probably both
MWS Natural
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Lovely Salsa said:
Fix'd for true ownage.
3rdamention said:
I turn the gamma on the image all the way down and still can see it clearly :lol
TheRagnCajun
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TTP said:
I learned a new word today!!
Always-honest
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAajghtCrisco said:
thanx!!
Private Hoffman
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LiquidMetal14 said:
Default is the best.
Pick it, and don't think twice about it.
For me the meat of that demo is the warehouse skirmish. Every time I play that section the firefights are different, engaging, and just flat out fun. After I beat the demo I usually just continue from that point.
Once you get a hang of the cover system, the game jumps to a whole other level. Did you guys go into the room in the warehouse and shoot the tables, chairs and fans? OMG the all react differently. The table breaks apart, the chairs have fluff that comes out, and the fans collapse....Awesome.
Once you get a hang of the cover system, the game jumps to a whole other level. Did you guys go into the room in the warehouse and shoot the tables, chairs and fans? OMG the all react differently. The table breaks apart, the chairs have fluff that comes out, and the fans collapse....Awesome.
MickeyKnox
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Ah, yes, yes I get what you're saying now.TTP said:I get that. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about how it is illuminated but the light itself. I don't know if it's due to a post-processing effect or whatever but its definitely less artificial looking than in other games.
For the sake of clarity, here is a comparison.
(Please forgive me for having chosen GOW2 for this comparison but this level is the first overcast setting that came to my mind. Not attempting any troll-ish confrontation here so refrain being offended
*snip*
You see what I'm talking about? Killzone 2 illumination hides the digital nature of the image giving it a more "analogical" look. There is more depth to it. Different materials *look like* are reflecting light differently. Even without any obvious reflection effect, you can tell a concrete surface from a metal one or a wooden one.
Perhaps it's just clever art. Or it's just me. Probably both
You were talking about the way the lighting comes into contact with the surfaces in the game.
Kill Your Masters
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Both shots look like shit though and really don't compliment the games at all. (but they serve the purpose for what TTP was trying to say)DexterXS said:
SecretBonusPoint
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The issue was raised elsewhere, and while most of it reads like your atypical "hype deflation required" piece (i hate these anyway), the issue that your POV in Killzone 2 is that of a midget certainly is an interesting one!
It does feel somewhat that default view is through eerie eyes in your chest. I guess thats more 'realistic' since you wouldnt be able to see your gun hand all the time if it was eye level view. Still, it has coloured the game somewhat as I do keep expecting all the wise cracking GI Joes to start some shit about my in-game height!
It does feel somewhat that default view is through eerie eyes in your chest. I guess thats more 'realistic' since you wouldnt be able to see your gun hand all the time if it was eye level view. Still, it has coloured the game somewhat as I do keep expecting all the wise cracking GI Joes to start some shit about my in-game height!
Lord Error
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I know exactly what you're talking about, and it's damn true. Everything in the game has this unified look, and it's thanks to its lighting. Compared to something like Resistance that looks fake through and through.TTP said:
I think KZ2 is making some heavy use of prebaked global illumination and possibly some other advanced offline lighting technologies - they must have found a good way to make their realtime lighting and shadowing engine work with that kind of lighting, as you can see all lighting being technically realtime, but I'm pretty sure textures have baked lighting onto them before realtime lights come into play.
And for what it's worth - I agree, first level is maybe the best example of the quality of their lighting, from the few levels I've see. I guess some people just don't see it or don't care, but to me this level presented in the demo is probably the closest to contemporary CG quality any game has ever looked.
It is clearly the level where they went and said - OK here's where we need to make something that really looks as close as possible to that trailer.
That's OK - I'll have to finish the game in English before I switch to Russian anyways, I have to at least know what's going on.TTP said:
revolverjgw
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SecretBonusPoint said:
I definitely noticed how short Sev is... but at least he's not as diminutive as the guy from Bioshock. That runt is eye level with door knobs.
shadowsdarknes
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Official Thread Title,
Killzone 2: Official Thread only for buyers of Killzone 2
Killzone 2: Official Thread only for buyers of Killzone 2
A couple things I noticed after a few more playthroughs:
- If you look up at the complex building before you actually see the ISA soldier with the rocket launcher, the single Helghast soldier up there respawns infinitely. I guess good practice range for getting your marksmanship up?
- If you don't press any button at the "Press Start" screen, there is a gameplay video (Enemy spoiler if that bothers you).
- If you look up at the complex building before you actually see the ISA soldier with the rocket launcher, the single Helghast soldier up there respawns infinitely. I guess good practice range for getting your marksmanship up?
- If you don't press any button at the "Press Start" screen, there is a gameplay video (Enemy spoiler if that bothers you).
For people using their PS3 as a dual-purpose game/BD,DVD player ... I'd recommend against RGB Full.
Unless something changed with a recent firmware, I believe the PS3 does not pass BTB and WTW when setting movies to output RGB (regardless of whether it's limited or full). Therefore, it's recommended to output YCbCr. The problem with that, YCbCr is a video level output (like RGB limited) ... so when you switch from movies to games, you're going to have to adjust the TV's contrast and brightness if RGB is full.
Unless something changed with a recent firmware, I believe the PS3 does not pass BTB and WTW when setting movies to output RGB (regardless of whether it's limited or full). Therefore, it's recommended to output YCbCr. The problem with that, YCbCr is a video level output (like RGB limited) ... so when you switch from movies to games, you're going to have to adjust the TV's contrast and brightness if RGB is full.
captscience
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Onix said:
Well that explains a lot in my setup. Thanks!
I had taken to using one set of TV settings for movies and another for games.
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