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[BurnOutBrighter]

GAF, we know this by now. Fuck reviews. Get recommendations from friends, or fellow Gaffers. Try the game out for yourself. Make up your own mind and love the games you think are awesome, and hate the games you think suck. You might not have your own soapbox website but you still have your own opinion. Don't let some glorified internet blogger tell you how to spend you money.

That being said, Polygon can go die in a fire.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Sorry, I meant to say theory. I'm just annoyed by it. And, yeah, I replied to that person. Those numbers mean shit in vacuum. How does Polygon grade games overall? Against MS or Nintendo exclusives? No one is asking serious questions, just parroting what they hear around GAF.

You asked if they deviated from the average, they do. I do think the score seems anomolysly low however. But I put little faith in media reviews, probably more in my impression + the median of scores.

 

[EagleEyes]

So I hope you don't ignore the majority of 7 to 9.5 reviews for KILLZONE: Shadow Fall.

The only 9.5 I see is from Playstation Nation and they also have the highest Knack review score too.

 

[EightBitNate]

Hindle is a xbox fan, ignore him.

How about how about we not do this?

 

[breakfuss]

Here's the post from the Last of Us thread where hey_it's_that_dog ran the numbers on both consoles for their reviews:

Thank you, thank you. I actually did the same more recently, and their PS3 exclusive average has increased slightly. People are so misinformed.

 

[The Light]

How is a 7 bad? Is this really a 8-9 world? From reading these reviews people who like killzone will enjoy this one. People who don't may not.

 

[BloodMoney]

That's my personal score dude. The game looks to be very forgettable, boring, and nothing really stands out about it.

Before the fanboy insults start, I think the same about Ryse.

Thats a two way street. You pop into a thread about a game you don't care about to talk shit about it. Does that = fanboy insult?

 

[willskate4free]

So Im wrong by 1 digit each way they generally range from 7-9 and thats Bad? I think thats selective.. Your looking at the frame here and not the

edit: My point was, Eurogamers random review which wasnt that bad and Arthurs absolute joke of review compared to the rest is not even worth reading.

you forgot to tell him its actually 2 nines btw, since he wants to be an ass hat.

 

[Team Klimt]

Who really cares about the story anyway? In a 8 hour game, 45 minutes of cinema tics are dropping the scores that significantly? You can skip them for cryin out loud.

 

[Brashnir]

So Im wrong by 1 digit each way they generally range from 7-9 and thats Bad? I think thats selective.. Your looking at the frame here and not the

edit: My point was, Eurogamers random review which wasnt that bad and Arthurs absolute joke of review compared to the rest is not even worth reading.

The range you claimed to be "normal" didn't even include the actual average. It was an idiotic statement,.

 

[Jeels]

Will keep it unopened until Friday. There should be enough impressions by then to make a decision. Hopefully GiantBomb chimes in soon.

 

[Tookay]

This is bullshit piling on. The series may be forgettable, in your opinion, but the last 2 console games did get a great and good reception respectively. So these scores *are* somewhat surprising and disappointing. Don't be a dill weed.

A little invested in this, aren't you?

 

[TheKayle]

Who really cares about the story anyway? In a 8 hour game, 45 minutes of cinema tics are dropping the scores that significantly? You can skip them for cryin out loud.

whaat?!

 

[Booshka]

Game looks really boring going by the Giantbomb Quick Look. Maybe there will be some redeeming qualities to the MP, but the game mechanics and that terrible FoV don't look to appealing to play.

 

[AlphaK]

Everything i've seen from this game has looked amazing so far and i can't wait to play it.

Reviews in the 7-8 range are in no way "mixed" or "mediocre" and are in line with what i expected.

I really don't see what all of the bridge-jumping/controversy is all about.

 

[Vizzeh]

The range you claimed to be "normal" didn't even include the actual average. It was an idiotic statement,.

The Range was 7-9 that seems accurate, whats your point.... between 7 and 9 is quite good for a review, are you just in here to troll.... whats with the personal insult?

I fail to see how pointing out the polygons review at 5/10 was completely out of context to the rest of the review scores. Whats "Idiotic" about that?

 

[RaikuHebi]

A little invested in this, aren't you?

And you seem invested in the investing?

 

[Frankie Williamson]

Here's the post from the Last of Us thread where hey_it's_that_dog ran the numbers on both consoles for their reviews:

Steel Battalion kind of throws off that curve doesn't it? Considering it's probably the worst game of the generation.

 

[IcyEyes]

The only 9.5 I see is from Playstation Nation and they also have the highest Knack review score too.

This on too : http://n4g.com/news/1393127/killzone-shadow-fall-review-pixelvolt

 

[Nymphae]

These kinds of post need to be written in a way to express opinion. For example. IN MY OPINION, the series has always been memorable.

I've mentioned this here before and was quickly scolded for bringing it up. Apparently we're supposed to just know that everything everyone says is their opinion, even when people are saying shit like "This franchise has always been terrible."

I mean sure, obviously that is your opinion. I don't see anything wrong with clarifying that in your post so you don't sound like a blowhard.

 

[kmag]

I went straight to read that Polygon review, wow it was bad. A franchise that is known for its fun and varied multiplayer has a whole review based around nothing but its mediocre campaign. That's like giving BF4 a 5/10 because it has a crap campaign. No shit Sherlock... that's not the point of the game.

You do realise the only time reviews got to play the multiplayer was at the staged Sony event, they couldn't play multiplayer with their review copies. In that situation, I might be inclined to put a paragraph about general impressions of the MP but nothing more, of course I'd probably mention that in my review.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Here's the post from the Last of Us thread where hey_it's_that_dog ran the numbers on both consoles for their reviews:

Thanks, not as useful as it could be without individual scores though...to see the skew. Still, somewhat debunks the idea that they have some sort of innate bias perhaps, although Gies has demonstrated that he has. Can say I agree with their taste though.

 

[Hindle]

Thats a two way street. You pop into a thread about a game you don't care about to talk shit about it. Does that = fanboy insult?

I made a genuine point about how fanbases of both MS and Sony both greatly exaggerate exclusives. To me that's not talking shit, crediability assassination however is disgusting.

 

[Backfoggen]

I can't say I'm surprised with the scores, the series has always been forgettable.

Killzone 2 was really good. The rest not so much imo.

 

[Speevy]

I don't see why people are surprised.

Launch games are usually average/mediocre.

 

[Hindle]

How about how about we not do this?

Thanks dude. It's appreciated.

 

[Frolow]

Hindle is a xbox fan, ignore him.

This post reminds me of something I'd find on Gamefaqs.

 

[stktt]

so since when is getting between 7s and 9s in reviews a bad thing? yea must live in some universe where everything must be a 10 to be enjoyable.. smh

In an ideal world, a game receiving scores in the 7-8 range would be considered a good thing. When the review scale of your average gaming site is inflated, they tend to be the mark of an average title.

 

[Tempy]

Sorry, I meant to say theory. I'm just annoyed by it. And, yeah, I replied to that person. Those numbers mean shit in vacuum. How does Polygon grade games overall? Against MS or Nintendo exclusives? No one is asking serious questions, just parroting what they hear around GAF.

A great example of Polygon being somewhat suspect with reviews is their handling of SimCity. Which went from a 9.5 to a 8.0 to a 4.0 and finally a 6.5. (I've given the game the benefit of the doubt myself and waited it through its online issues, and I'd still give the game a 4)

 

[deranged_666]

So both Polygon and Kotaku had reviewers who have shown clear, previous bias against the Killzone franchise review the new Killzone game? And I'm supposed to take their word for it that they were being unbiased in their reviews?

They wonder why mainstream game publications are considered a joke.

 

[Papercuts]

Here's the post from the Last of Us thread where hey_it's_that_dog ran the numbers on both consoles for their reviews:

That's a great post, thanks.

 

[txag2005]

All this is why I stopped caring about review scores a long time ago. I'm more about personal recommendations and impressions from people on sites like this.

With that said, I haven't seen much here that changes my mind about wanting to keep KZ as part of my personal launch lineup. At worst, it will be cool eye candy to show up the new hardware, but I still expect to enjoy it.

 

[Tookay]

And you seem invested in the investing?

Because I point out somebody calling another person a "dill weed" for no reason? You have a weird definition of investment.

... And a childish sense of "turning the argument back on the presenter" too.

 

[TheKayle]

I made a genuine point about how fanbases of both MS and Sony both greatly exaggerate exclusives. To me that's not talking shit, crediability assassination however is disgusting.

totally agree with the last part

 

[leatherhat]

You do realise the only time reviews got to play the multiplayer was at the staged Sony event, they couldn't play multiplayer with their review copies. In that situation, I might be inclined to put a paragraph about general impressions of the MP but nothing more, of course I'd probably mention that in my review.

How can you properly review an mp focused game without access to the multiplayer? What is this nonsense?

 

[Brashnir]

The Range was 7-9 that seems accurate, whats your point.... between 7 and 9 is quite good for a review, are you just in here to troll.... whats with the personal insult?

I fail to see how pointing out the polygons review at 5/10 was completely out of context to the rest of the review scores. Whats "Idiotic" about that?

It wasn't a personal insult, it was a comment on the statement you made. Learn to separate the two.

 

[Anticitizen One]

This is getting the exact same reviews as Perfect Dark Zero....

 

[Viruz]

Sorry if already posted:
http://www.jeuxvideo.com 18/20

 

[Racer1977]

The only 9.5 I see is from Playstation Nation and they also have the highest Knack review score too.

There's a few 9+ scores around, like Jeux Video, well, 18/20 on their review system.

http://m.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00019098-killzone-shadow-fall-test.htm

Overall, it seems like a solid 8/10 title that is technically outstanding, the type of launch game people pick up as a tech demo.

Just seems a real shame Polygon's 5/10 dominated so much of the early debate, it amounted to little more than professional trolling. Then again, most people who visit here are aware of this, the average punter's will click on IGN or whatever.

 

[Mik317]

Guys if Polygon is the devil then stop giving them press by going apeshit everytime they pull this. They have done this for like the last 5 or so Sony exclusives and yet each time you guys go ballistic every time.

Chill out.

The way I look at reviews is a list of pros and cons. Ignore the scores outside of seeing if that person had a negative view or positive. Then see if the pros apply to you. If so great. Is that what you are looking for in a game? Cool buy it if it looks fun. Looking at the cons yiu can do the same except ask if those things are truly deal breakers. If so then pass or rent. Seeing the consensus if there is one yiu can get a good idea of whether or not a game is good or bad. And even then yiur own opinion trumps all.

But instead the Internet focuses on one dudes opinion and only the negative side and depending on where they stand they either hold him up to a higher level or want to murder his family.

Look the flaws of this game based off of consensus is that it doesn't revolutionize the genre, the AI is dumb, the story is meh, and it goes away from the open ended Hameplay. For me this isn't an issue since I'm not a big player of fps because the whole war setting turns me off so I'm new to it. I can't put up with some pretty bad stories so no issue there and the fact that I am a noob means that the other issueswwon't bother me as much... Thus most of her flaws don't seem too bad. Now for some it will, that's up to them to decide but it cannot be done off of one dudes view especially one that seems to be a bit out there in terms of consensus.

And in the end, reviews are only opinions. You gotta think for yourselves and use them as a tool not the law. Knack looked boring so I wasn't hype but people said it was much better than the demo... Alot of f the reviews say otherwise and I probably should havesstuck to my guns there but I'm not going off of one review but multiple.

Seriously we need to get past this raging over review shit. Unless you a fanboy who fir some reason lives and dies by the company of your choosing, it is just sad to get this upset over guy's

 

[Fun Factor]

Shadow Fall represents the Killzone series’ coming-out party – out from being a plodding, gray war shooter through hours of bland, linear corridors. Now, it’s something else entirely.

Did IGN just imply Killzone 1-3 were hours of bland linear corridors?
What a fucking joke.

 

[RedAssedApe]

so if giantbomb scores this "low" will polygon be validated?

personally i'm still going to play the game regardless as it looks gorgeous and im a graphics whore lol. if it sucks and mp doesn't hold up...well i can always just sell it back

 

[breakfuss]

A great example of Polygon being somewhat suspect with reviews is their handling of SimCity. Which went from a 9.5 to a 8.0 to a 4.0 and finally a 6.5. (I've given the game the benefit of the doubt myself and waited it through its online issues, and I'd still give the game a 4)

You're conflating different things, though. Is Polygon incompetent? Are they biased? What is it? I didn't follow the SimCity issue so I can't offer an opinion, but what has that to do with these dubious charges of them being in bed with Microsoft?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Not saying reviews should be dismissed but if reviews where really reliable they would score far more even across the board. (Instead of super low to super high). I guess you could take some average but i'm mostly interested in user review. I do like to hear or read the reasoning behind their scores however.

Not really.

It just means the game is polarizing in some ways, and some of the issues that people have which detract from their experience with the game other people don't (or don't weigh as heavily). There are plenty of reviews with even scoring across the board. Like BF4 or Black Flag, for example.

KZ has some issues. Whether those issues are make/break issues vary from person to person. You may enjoy it on an 8/9 level, or a 6/7 level. You won't know until you play it for yourself.

 

[I-hate-u]

I don't really give a rats ass what reviewers say about Killzone whether its good or bad. The general journalists don't think much of Killzone. Heck, during the PSM, Patrick from GB was saying: "Please don't be Killzone" when GG logo first showed up.

I would prefer to hear from a Killzone veteran on his/her thoughts on the game rather than a reviewer who hasn't invested in the franchise like I have.

 

[Mung]

Walks into thread
Sees the kayle and hindle posting on the same page
Backs out

 

[Nymphae]

A great example of Polygon being somewhat suspect with reviews is their handling of SimCity. Which went from a 9.5 to a 8.0 to a 4.0 and finally a 6.5. (I've given the game the benefit of the doubt myself and waited it through its online issues, and I'd still give the game a 4)

lmfao I didn't realize it changed that much. It's actually a nice idea that the reviews aren't written in stone and can be reassessed as new info comes to light. But it also highlights the problem with trying to be the first to get a review out the door.

lol at that 9.5

 

[Vizzeh]

It wasn't a personal insult, it was a comment on the statement you made. Learn to separate the two.

Actually you said my statement was "idiotic" even though it was perfectly valid , I was simply pointing out the range of the review scores....that implies im an idiot... now your coming across as arrogant and condescending/derogatory ..... Your a lovely chap to be around.

Feel free to troll elsewhere

id·i·ot·ic (d-tk)
adj.
1. Showing foolishness or stupidity.
2. Exhibiting idiocy.

 

[Figboy79]

Mercenaries is totally enjoyable for what it is; a vaguely shiny FPS on a handheld. I certainly have had some fun with it. That said, it's a pretty bad game by any other standard.

Serious question: What standard is that?

Graphics? Mercenary has some really excellent visuals.
Controls? Gameplay is smooth, and responsive, and pulling off headshots is a cinch.
Design? The level design is one of the things I enjoy the most about this game compared to other Killzone titles. The levels aren't gigantic, but they have a nice open feel to them, allowing you to approach your missions how you like. Compared to Killzone 1, 2, 3, and Liberation, I think Mercenary has the most enjoyable level/encounter design of them all. And I absolutely loved Killzone 2, Liberation, and 3.
Story? Yeah, story is minimal, but it is mercifully absent of Rico, excessive amounts of Testosterone, and, well, Rico again. Overall, the narrative is solid.

I can't think, for me, at least, of any other metric to judge games buy. If a game fails at those four pillars of game design, then, yeah, that's a problem. But I'm personally scratching my head at what other standards Killzone: Mercenary is failing at. From my time with it, it exceeds at every one of them, with story being the weakest of the bunch, and even then, the story was pretty interesting, if not overly complex/convoluted.

Again, not attacking, just wondering what you meant by "That said, it's a pretty bad game by any other standard."

 

[Digital-Hero]

Surprise, reviewers (and the mass audience) will never really love Killzone.

I wonder how much of a negative effect its terrible name has had on the franchise.



Yikes. Can't wait to see Dead Rising 3 and Ryse's scores. I guess there's zero chance they'll be lower.

Yeah, I think you may be right.